Canadian Airport Thread II

[KnoxfordGuy]

Traffic at YFC increases 25 per cent in 2023, outlook for 2024 even stronger. A total of 333,813 passengers travelled through YFC in 2023.

[thenoflyzone]

Originally Posted by KnoxfordGuy

Traffic at YFC increases 25 per cent in 2023, outlook for 2024 even stronger. A total of 333,813 passengers travelled through YFC in 2023.

Still a ways to go to catch up to 2019 numbers (427,085).

[thenoflyzone]

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

Noticed something interesting about Avianca's YUL announcement.

https://www.avianca.com/en/about-us/...2024/enero-10/

We know BOG is at over 8,000ft altitude, meaning aircraft taking off from BOG on long distance flights often have to leave seats open.

BOG-YUL will be flown by a 180 seat A320 (neo, most likely). They are saying they will offer 1200 seats/week on the route. However, 180x4x2 is 1440 seats. That's a difference of 240 seats. So if these numbers are accurate, it looks like AV will block off 60 seats from BOG to YUL on each flight. The return flights back to BOG shouldn't have any blocked seats.

I find 60 seats is a lot of blocked seats. That's a third of the seats ! Again, all of this assuming these numbers are accurate.

After having checked the A320 ACAPS document, a departure from 8,000ft altitude for the A320neo, in ISA conditions, would require a ~20,000lb payload hit. That's the weight of around 60 passengers and bags.

So it all seems to make sense.

Originally Posted by zahav

Very jealous of YUL Narrow body aircraft can operate the route so that's a huge plus, makes it easier to expand than to devote a long-haul plane.

YUL-BOG is definitely at the limit of what a narrowbody can operate from an airport at over 8,000ft. 60 blocked seats one way is a lot of lost revenue. Still, the fact they chose to start YUL with such a restriction, vs other US cities much closer to BOG, just goes to show the strength, not only of the international market out of Montreal, but of the AC hub. Let's see how the route does for AV. If this route performs well, I could see another Avianca Group carrier, TA (Avianca El Salvador, formerly known as TACA), start service from SAL as well. In fact, I had my money on them starting service to YUL ahead of AV.

Originally Posted by zahav

All very strong showings, these three airports have each been doing well at expanding and recovering, this is the second month in a row where the y/y overall growth was so similar between the three.

Y.O.Y might be similar, but vs 2019 definitely isn't. And that's an important metric as well.

[Alexcaban]

AC has loaded additional flights to ATH for summer 2024.
Flights operate mid May until the third week of July.
3 weekly YUL-ATH
1 weekly YYZ-ATH

AC882 YUL 1500 - ATH 0700+1 B788 357
AC883 ATH 0900 - YUL 1155 B788 146

AC888 YYZ 1420 - ATH 0700+1 B788 6
AC889 ATH 0900 - YYZ 1245 B788 7

[nname]

The additional ATH service is coming from reduction of TLV.

I guess the schedule for the peak summer is still dependent on what happen to TLV. If AC decide to reduce TLV through the summer, then the increase of ATH will run through the entire summer.

[YVR Bruce]

It appears the middle of 3 new B787-9s (31st -9) made its first flight today, per this:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?pli=1#gid=2

Line #1174

[MountainView]

Porter launched YYZ-LAX yesterday. The inbound to LAX arrived mostly on time, but the outbound back to YYZ left 5.75 hours late and arrived YYZ at 04:11.

Hoping for some better luck today!

[Alexcaban]

Just noticed that YUL-ORD/EWR is getting UA mainline as of August 1st.

Don't know why so late into the summer season? When was the last time YUL saw UA mainline?

[fanofYOW]

YOW December/2023 stats are out.

https://yow.ca/en/corporate/airport-...ssenger-volume

YOW finishes the year with 4.095 million pax, up from 2.992 million in 2022. I'm pretty sure December TB and international pax volume have never been this high either. Someone can correct me if I'm mistaken.

On another note, AF's YOW-CDG is now bookable daily starting this Spring (originally it was only daily beginning October 2024 while Summer still showed 5x weekly). Frame is also being upgauged to a 350-900 marking the first scheduled commercial service with an A350 YOW has seen. Incredible how they have increased capacity 4 times within the first year of launching the route. No press release (yet?).

[Dominion301]

Originally Posted by fanofYOW

YOW December/2023 stats are out.

https://yow.ca/en/corporate/airport-...ssenger-volume

YOW finishes the year with 4.095 million pax, up from 2.992 million in 2022. I'm pretty sure December TB and international pax volume have never been this high either. Someone can correct me if I'm mistaken.

On another note, AF's YOW-CDG is now bookable daily starting this Spring (originally it was only daily beginning October 2024 while Summer still showed 5x weekly). Frame is also being upgauged to a 350-900 marking the first scheduled commercial service with an A350 YOW has seen. Incredible how they have increased capacity 4 times within the first year of launching the route. No press release (yet?).

That's cool that AF will be sending the HD (324 seat) 359 to YOW. Largest capacity aircraft to serve YOW since the Wardair 747s until about 1987 (the KL 747s to AMS and AC 747s to LHR were split with YHZ and YMX respectively so half the capacity - and a lot of those were combis). The current AC 789s and last May 77Ls on YOW-YVR are close).

As for pax counts, that's the highest ever transborder and international numbers for the month of December. The previous December transborder record was 71,031 in 2014 (highest ever month was March 2012 at 86,974 and international was 50,446 in 2011 (highest ever month was January 2012 at 73,607). Interestingly, December domestic was -0.1% which reflects no Flair domestic flying this winter.

Originally Posted by Alexcaban

Just noticed that YUL-ORD/EWR is getting UA mainline as of August 1st.

Don't know why so late into the summer season? When was the last time YUL saw UA mainline?

I'm pretty sure this is the first time UA will have ever sent mainline to YUL (CO used to send mainline to EWR when the 735s were still around).

[thenoflyzone]

Originally Posted by Alexcaban

Just noticed that YUL-ORD/EWR is getting UA mainline as of August 1st.

About time they joined the party !

Originally Posted by fanofYOW

YOW December/2023 stats are out.

https://yow.ca/en/corporate/airport-...ssenger-volume

YOW finishes the year with 4.095 million pax, up from 2.992 million in 2022. I'm pretty sure December TB and international pax volume have never been this high either. Someone can correct me if I'm mistaken.

On another note, AF's YOW-CDG is now bookable daily starting this Spring (originally it was only daily beginning October 2024 while Summer still showed 5x weekly). Frame is also being upgauged to a 350-900 marking the first scheduled commercial service with an A350 YOW has seen. Incredible how they have increased capacity 4 times within the first year of launching the route. No press release (yet?).

Started compiling on wiki.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...in_Canada#2023

[q12]

United Airlines is returning to YHZ with 2x Daily non-stop to EWR

Halifax will have all of the big 3 Major U.S. Airlines flying non-stop to New York City this summer plus Air Canada.

[J81]

Originally Posted by Dominion301

That's cool that AF will be sending the HD (324 seat) 359 to YOW. Largest capacity aircraft to serve YOW since the Wardair 747s until about 1987 (the KL 747s to AMS and AC 747s to LHR were split with YHZ and YMX respectively so half the capacity - and a lot of those were combis). The current AC 789s and last May 77Ls on YOW-YVR are close).

As for pax counts, that's the highest ever transborder and international numbers for the month of December. The previous December transborder record was 71,031 in 2014 (highest ever month was March 2012 at 86,974 and international was 50,446 in 2011 (highest ever month was January 2012 at 73,607). Interestingly, December domestic was -0.1% which reflects no Flair domestic flying this winter.

I'm pretty sure this is the first time UA will have ever sent mainline to YUL (CO used to send mainline to EWR when the 735s were still around).

Do you remember what years KLM was making the stop in YHZ? I always thought that service was with a DC-10.

[kattiff]

A little love for YQR getting Lynx to YYZ & YVR

[hollywoodcory]

WS two Disney livery's are being removed later this year.

[Dominion301]

Originally Posted by kattiff

A little love for YQR getting Lynx to YYZ & YVR

That pretty much leaves only YXE left out of the top 15 airports to add for Lynx. I imagine they'd do a carbon copy of YQR when the time comes.

[Dominion301]

Originally Posted by J81

Do you remember what years KLM was making the stop in YHZ? I always thought that service was with a DC-10.

The KL operated aircraft years were always some version of 747 - usually a combi. The routing was always with a YHZ stop, including in the final couple of years with the Martinair 763 until March 27, 1996.

[People_talking]

Originally Posted by hollywoodcory

ws two disney livery's are being removed later this year.

what!?

[hollywoodcory]

Originally Posted by People_talking

what!?

Both are being repainted into the new livery in the summer.

[hollywoodcory]

Alaska is adding YYZ-SEA in mid-May

AS972 SEA 07:05 - 14:20 YYZ D 739
AS973 YYZ 15:40 - 18:00 SEA D 739

Lot's of new adds for US carriers into Canada this summer.