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[SpongeG]

what happened to the previous proposal? there was a proposal sign for that lot last year it was a tower and a hotel.

[Changing City]

Originally Posted by SpongeG

what happened to the previous proposal? there was a proposal sign for that lot last year it was a tower and a hotel.

Good memory! That was the same developer, Janda, but over 6 years ago. "Development located at 10342 - 136A St will include a 9-storey, 161 room
hotel and a 27-storey residential tower with 234 units."

It looks like they're proposing about the same density but have dropped the hotel and substituted a modest retail and local office space, and added 98 units and 9 floors to the residential tower.

I think that's the third hotel in Surrey to be dropped; the GEC tower had hotel floors a few years ago, and the Avani tower with a Hampton in the podium has ground to a halt.

(Janda had the previous design for The Terraces condo building in Coal Harbour before selling the site to Port Developments, who have started construction on their design but have now put that project into receivership).

[SpongeG]

ok thanks. Good to see that site get used.

[GMasterAres]

Really confused by the top photo left road there. If I have my perspective correct that is 136 A which right now is basically a barely 2 lane alley behind London Drugs. Don't recall seeing any plans to widen it to be a 3 lane highway...

That said, tower looks pretty good. I really like the color. I think it is something, if done well, that can really add something to an area rather than just standard bland grey towers of glass walls.

That lot has been empty for a very long time and will be directly next to the Anthem project pushing closer to 104th from the South.

[GMasterAres]

Originally Posted by Changing City

Good memory! That was the same developer, Janda, but over 6 years ago. "Development located at 10342 - 136A St will include a 9-storey, 161 room
hotel and a 27-storey residential tower with 234 units."

It looks like they're proposing about the same density but have dropped the hotel and substituted a modest retail and local office space, and added 98 units and 9 floors to the residential tower.

I think that's the third hotel in Surrey to be dropped; the GEC tower had hotel floors a few years ago, and the Avani tower with a Hampton in the podium has ground to a halt.

(Janda had the previous design for The Terraces condo building in Coal Harbour before selling the site to Port Developments, who have started construction on their design but have now put that project into receivership).

Makes sense. There is no market for hotels right now, maybe in 3 to 5 years things will get back to normal but honestly, I think a lot of businesses have realized during COVID they can fully hold the majority of meetings over video conferencing and a lot of the flying cross continents just to meet and shake someone's hand was a waste of time, money, and resources. Heck my wife just started a new job recently with a company that has no office, everyone is 100% work from home across Canada and it works great.

[SpongeG]

I saw this the other day, is this two tower devlopment going onto the site? if so that will be a good change. The site doesn't seem that big though. And the development application is only for a temporary sales centre.

104th near whalley blvd and KGH

2021-05-16_11-47-58 by snub_you, on Flickr

2021-05-16_11-48-20 by snub_you, on Flickr

[Equinox71]

Originally Posted by SpongeG

I saw this the other day, is this two tower devlopment going onto the site? if so that will be a good change. The site doesn't seem that big though. And the development application is only for a temporary sales centre.

This site is just an old carwash lot that Thind is turning into their sales centre. The actual development site is on University Drive between 105 and 105a avenues.

[SpongeG]

ok thanks

[SpongeG]

just saw this posting on Facebook.

It says Flamingo Phase 1 is next. So not the whalley station tower on KGH?

Record breaking success!
Q5 is now sold out, in just 2 hours and 34 minutes.
Stay tuned for the next chapter - Flamingo Phase 1.

https://www.facebook.com/TienSher/

[EhJay]

I'll believe it when I see sales actually start.

[Equinox71]

FYI - got this in the mail today re: 13301 104 Ave. 48 stories? Interesting!

[brophy87]

Originally Posted by EhJay

I'll believe it when I see sales actually start.

They're starting registrations for sales. There was an ad on Facebook

[logicbomb]

Originally Posted by Changing City

Good memory! That was the same developer, Janda, but over 6 years ago. "Development located at 10342 - 136A St will include a 9-storey, 161 room
hotel and a 27-storey residential tower with 234 units."

It looks like they're proposing about the same density but have dropped the hotel and substituted a modest retail and local office space, and added 98 units and 9 floors to the residential tower.

I think that's the third hotel in Surrey to be dropped; the GEC tower had hotel floors a few years ago, and the Avani tower with a Hampton in the podium has ground to a halt.

(Janda had the previous design for The Terraces condo building in Coal Harbour before selling the site to Port Developments, who have started construction on their design but have now put that project into receivership).

Hotels in the suburbs were mostly used for business purposes such as conventions or corporate training, however these were declining in recent years due to the seminars and meetings going more virtual. The Sheraton in Guildford saw a dramatic drop in visitors between 2005 and 2017. The Sandman in Guildford was fortunate enough to secure business from CHL hockey teams that play in the Langley Events Center. However they are apparently struggling to secure a tenant for the restaurant downstairs (Moxies was already planning to close pre-pandemic and eventually closed).

[Changing City]

Originally Posted by logicbomb

Hotels in the suburbs were mostly used for business purposes such as conventions or corporate training, however these were declining in recent years due to the seminars and meetings going more virtual. The Sheraton in Guildford saw a dramatic drop in visitors between 2005 and 2017. The Sandman in Guildford was fortunate enough to secure business from CHL hockey teams that play in the Langley Events Center. However they are apparently struggling to secure a tenant for the restaurant downstairs (Moxies was already planning to close pre-pandemic and eventually closed).

It's odd that three different developers would have considered adding a hotel in such a difficult business climate. It'll be interesting to see of any more get proposed.

Moxie's is owned by Northland Properties, the Gagliardi family business, and they also own the Sandman chain, so it's not a straightforward tenancy situation. If they thought that hotel needed a restaurant, they would keep it open with one of their brands, or perhaps create a one-off hotel restaurant name. They also operate Denny's.

[Sheba]

I can't remember if this was posted here or road infrastructure - and it seems a little early for the latter...

Surrey approves road through Bear Creek Park

City councillors in Surrey, B.C., have approved the construction of a contentious new roadway through Bear Creek Park, with the work potentially beginning as early as this summer.

Councillors voted 5-4 along party lines late Monday in favour of connecting 84 Avenue through the south end of the park. Mayor Doug McCallum and four Safe Surrey councillors were in support.

"84th for many years has really been needed to be put through," said McCallum during a virtual council meeting Tuesday. "Our goal is to make movement in Surrey safe. That's what this road is going to do."

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The idea of extending the road to connect through the park has been entertained in Surrey for more than a decade. Council voted in February to revisit the idea, setting off months of opposition from people concerned about protecting green space in a rapidly growing city and preserving wildlife habitats that exist in the park.

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The engineering report presented to council on Tuesday recommended 84th become a two-lane road cutting through the park, with dedicated paths for cyclists and pedestrians.

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[Cypherus]

Originally Posted by Sheba

I can't remember if this was posted here or road infrastructure - and it seems a little early for the latter...

Happy it went through. The naysayers who, coincidentally do not protest the logging of old growth forests in other areas, are denouncing this road using a campaign of misinformation and virtue signalling that the road will intersect the park. Let's not go into the "Seniors" who were asked by family members just to show up in the Plaza while having no idea what is going on, to show some force. In reality, the new road follows the power line corridor south of the park and glad City Hall saw through the facade, albeit a close one.

[Sheba]

Originally Posted by Cypherus

Happy it went through. The naysayers who, coincidentally do not protest the logging of old growth forests in other areas, are denouncing this road using a campaign of misinformation and virtue signalling that the road will intersect the park. Let's not go into the "Seniors" who were asked by family members just to show up in the Plaza while having no idea what is going on, to show some force. In reality, the new road follows the power line corridor south of the park and glad City Hall saw through the facade, albeit a close one.

That would be Surrey's troll - I mean mayor - pushing to get something he wants. In this case it's what plenty of other people want and good for Surrey too.

That article had plenty of comments from people not living in Surrey basically wringing their hands over the total loss of a park. Meanwhile one person kept pointing out the road is at the very southern edge (and not through the middle) of the park and mostly on the Hydro power line ROW.

Rather humorous were the people who think: 1) there are plenty of majorish east - west cross streets in Surrey, 2) the section near the substation isn't going to be connected and / or 3) the section in Delta is a minor road so why bother connecting it at all. I mean sure it's going to suck for the people who live on 84th now to have their quiet little road become a busier road - but it's not about to become a highway. Esp amusing was the person from Williams Lake lamenting that...

[zahav]

Exactly, the road is actually going to remove a minimal portion of the park, if you look at Google Maps you can see it is really providing a good connection essentially thru the Hydro ROW, as Sheba said.

[SpongeG]

its good cause there is a real lack of east west connections between 88th and 72nd. Will be helpful, as its very frustrating to drive around the area and hit dead end after dead end or end up where you started.

[dferch]

Janda tower got approved.
http://https://www.surreynowleader.com/n...-another-highrise-for-surreys-downtown/#

One guy was super upset about all the dump trucks needed for excavation, but when you do the math it’s basically the same as if there were 300 single family homes. It is true that the emissions for this aren’t ideal but until we have electric dump trucks it won’t get better.