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Old Posted Oct 21, 2016, 9:22 PM
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What is this 'cycle' some of you speak of ?
Its a joke people are making because in spring of 2015 a forumer here kept saying the building cycle is over and we wouldnt see any more new high rise construction or proposals... meanwhile 2016 has been one of the most exciting times here on the forum with regards to new buildings.
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 21, 2016, 10:23 PM
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Basically everything he said was wrong (projects and so on), but let's be fair, he became really quiet now.

I will start to worry when he tells me that the cycle isn't over.
We got our victory, but let's take it like real champs.

I wouldn't mind if he comes back. He should be happy about the development..
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from the alexan flyover vid
     
     
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from the alexan flyover video
Isn't interesting how the mass of the under construction Onni tower "Blocks the Clock" from many vantage points west of it and the Columbia Building but you don't hear the people living there (and the phony group that they started) bitching about it. It's only the Alexan, which happens to block their poolside view of downtown that they care about, nothing else. I other words they don't give a shit about anyone or anything but themselves.
     
     
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Guys don't be hostile. It's gone without say that while the mass of development is a great addition to the city, it could result in oversaturation due to the fact that we are getting so much of it all at the same time. Don't get me wrong, im thrilled we got these projects, but do you guys think that our market could maintain these amount of additions without a bubble burst? Thousands upon thousands are being added.

I found it interesting that Alexan appears just a little taller than the Spring towers. Alexan is supposed to be 320 feet compared to the spring towers which are 240.
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Guys don't be hostile. It's gone without say that while the mass of development is a great addition to the city, it could result in oversaturation due to the fact that we are getting so much of it all at the same time. Don't get me wrong, im thrilled we got these projects, but do you guys think that our market could maintain these amount of additions without a bubble burst? Thousands upon thousands are being added.

I found it interesting that Alexan appears just a little taller than the Spring towers. Alexan is supposed to be 320 feet compared to the spring towers which are 240.
The only way there is over saturation is if these units stay overpriced. Housing in LA is so expensive already, I'm sure that if they wanted to there will be people who want to move in. No such thing as over saturation in a booming city like LA, just overpricing. Let the amount of construction take down our housing prices PLEASE!!!! But I doubt it will happen... And many of the Chinese developments will be sold as 2nd homes to people from China... So no drop in the bucket of supply. Just creating more demand from around the world.
     
     
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I like these types of buildings. Not overly designed (though some aspects could be improved a bit) but nice infill nonetheless.
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Old Posted Oct 22, 2016, 1:54 PM
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Guys don't be hostile. It's gone without say that while the mass of development is a great addition to the city, it could result in oversaturation due to the fact that we are getting so much of it all at the same time.
People were kinda worried about that in New York too, for the last 30 years.
If you see the population + visitor growth of Los Angeles (every year) and compare it to our new units.. then it's not even enough.

They could build 3 times more..
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People were kinda worried about that in New York too, for the last 30 years.
If you see the population + visitor growth of Los Angeles (every year) and compare it to our new units.. then it's not even enough.

They could build 3 times more..
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The now USC Tower stood isolated from the DTLA skyline for decades
Even worse, what was originally the occidental bldg was surrounded by a mostly blighted area. I always felt so sorry for that bldg....& that part of dtla.

for some reason that bldg to me has always seemed or looked taller than city hall...maybe because of the occidental/at&t/usc tower's greater width. But it's all a matter of perspective. for instance, san francisco's city hall is taller than the US capitol bldg in DC. I'd swear it was the other way around.

for what's now the USC tower, I'm just happy that the past finally is now the past.


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Why does the AT&T Center stand aloof from the rest of L.A.’s downtown skyline? Shortly before it opened in 1965 as the Occidental Center Tower, the Times compared it to a “Sequoia in a stand of lodgepole pine”—and little has changed since. Most of the city’s tallest buildings crowd around Bunker Hill, but a mile away at 12th and Hill, not a single high-rise challenges the AT&T Center’s 32-story, 452-foot command of the sky.

When the Occidental Life Insurance Company broke ground on its new headquarters in 1961, true skyscrapers had been legal in Los Angeles for only five years, and no one knew where they would ultimately congregate. The southern fringes of downtown seemed as likely a place as any. For Occidental and architects William Pereira and Gin Wong, the new tower was a bet that relatively cheap land and easy freeway access would lure development to downtown’s south.

Built in Pereira’s characteristically futuristic style, the Occidental Center Tower was city’s second tallest building upon its completion in 1965, second only to City Hall. It featured a rooftop helipad where, it was thought, helicopters would whisk executives to the terminals at LAX. On the 32nd floor, a fine-dining restaurant—appropriately named The Tower—offered sweeping city views for a price, while an observation deck two stories below was free and open to the public. From either vantage point, it was obvious by the end of the ‘60s that Occidental and Pereira had misplaced their bet, as a cluster of steel skyscraper frames climbed skyward, a half-dozen blocks to the north on Bunker Hill.

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DTLA retains shiny appeal in the face of oversupply — for now

Demand increased 10% over the past four quarters, despite climbing vacancy and slowed rent growth: report


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If the first half of 2016 painted an ominous picture for the Downtown multifamily market, the third quarter didn’t offer much of a respite, despite a dip in vacancy. Ever-growing supply still nudged rent growth downward and created a renters’ market.

But the sunny days for owners aren’t all gone: Net absorption reached 1,500 units over the past four quarters, a year-over-year increase of about 10 percent, according to the latest CoStar report. That’s more than double the submarket’s five-year annual absorption average of about 600 units, indicating a sustained interest in the burgeoning neighborhood. So far this year, net absorption has grown by over 7 percent. To avoid the dreaded “O-word” — oversupply — absorption will have to keep at its current lofty pace, according to the CoStar report.

Even though unprecedented delivery in the past few years has created signposts pointing to a weakening apartment market, demand is still strong, according to Steve Basham, a senior market analyst at CoStar Group.

“Vacancy will be volatile, but this is purely supply-driven,” he said.


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In the third quarter, vacancy decreased to 8.4 percent from about 11 percent in Q2, according to Basham. However, he said this was due to the lack of deliveries in the past three months. Vacancy is anticipated to creep up and remain volatile in the next few years as new construction finishes.

“You’ll see vacancy continue to fluctuate. In fact, it’ll probably go up soon, but there’s no downturn yet,” Basham said. “It’s absolutely encouraging that there’s strong enough demand in one quarter that vacancy dropped.”

Meanwhile, rent growth is stalling at 3.3 percent year-over-year, ranking at the bottom of the L.A. submarkets. Average rents are edging toward $2,500 per unit, or about 35 percent higher than the metro average. Still, the decelerating rate is giving renters an advantage over landlords.

“Renters now have the ability to shop around for the best concessions and incentives, and that’s not going to slow down anytime soon,” Basham said.
     
     
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Even worse, what was originally the occidental bldg was surrounded by a mostly blighted area. I always felt so sorry for that bldg....& that part of dtla.

for some reason that bldg to me has always seemed or looked taller than city hall...maybe because of the occidental/at&t/usc tower's greater width. But it's all a matter of perspective. for instance, san francisco's city hall is taller than the US capitol bldg in DC. I'd swear it was the other way around.

for what's now the USC tower, I'm just happy that the past finally is now the past.
Skyscrapers are rapidly making their way to Occidental/Transamerica/USC tower. It will not be "lonely" much longer. Does USC rent/own the building now?
     
     
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I don't know if this was posted already, but it's news to me. I just came from a tour of the ten50 model homes and the agent conducting the tour said that he was required to disclose plans for the property next door. Evidently there are plans to replace the single story buildings on olive just east of ten50 with a 700ft tower! He said that they were notified that the plans were already filed. Can anyone confirm if that's true?!?
     
     
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I don't know if this was posted already, but it's news to me. I just came from a tour of the ten50 model homes and the agent conducting the tour said that he was required to disclose plans for the property next door. Evidently there are plans to replace the single story buildings on olive just east of ten50 with a 700ft tower! He said that they were notified that the plans were already filed. Can anyone confirm if that's true?!?
Interesting. Here is an article from LABJ about the sale of the site: http://www.labusinessjournal.com/news/2015/feb/24/florida-developer-lands-downtown-l-site/

Crescent Heights is the developer behind 10000 Santa Monica.
     
     
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^Holy shit is that for real?
     
     
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^^ Possible considering how recent the deal was (January, 2015)

Who knows...but it's exciting to hear the rumors after a "slower" week.
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 23, 2016, 2:55 PM
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Property east of new10/5 building is shown on our "Downtown LA Development Map" the bible of building activity downtown, site location on page one. I always though this map was a great addition, use it many times per week.
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 23, 2016, 3:04 PM
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ps. forgot to add I miss Hunter on the site. Luckily he has a flicker page featuring his photos, always great.
     
     
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Property east of new10/5 building is shown on our "Downtown LA Development Map" the bible of building activity downtown, site location on page one. I always though this map was a great addition, use it many times per week.
Yeah, we've known that the property is being developed. It's the 700ft part that I hadn't heard before. The interactive map links to the labj article.
     
     
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700 feet would be pretty insane. That's taller than the Ritz ,on a small ass parcel. I'am going to have to be skeptical on this one.
     
     
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