Public Disorder & the Decline of Vancouver's Livability

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by jollyburger

Keep them just make it a 30 day jail sentence if you loiter outside

Uhh, we have trouble keeping repeat violent offenders in jail these days.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by Metro-One

I’m guessing the managers / owners decided to close it down, which isn’t what I was alluding too. If it was forced to close by the city, now that would be some serious chasing the symptoms and not the illness.

There really isn’t much to say anymore though. People in BC, especially the coast, just keep supporting and electing the same brand of people / ideologies that have led to these degrading living conditions.

I will admit 15 years ago I was one of them, but after seeing the increasingly bad results / deterioration my political and ideological positions have evolved.

The judicial system needs a massive enema, but for that to happen the educational system, especially post secondary, also requires a massive enema since the severe idealogical capture on campuses will only continue to pump out useless justices.

I've gone through the exact same evolution.

If it's any consolation things are basically the same everywhere.

Vancouver is just ahead of the curve. So to speak.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by Metro-One

Because that will solve the problem!

It’s not the contemporary culture / social political / judicial system that’s the problems… it’s a 24 hour convenience store that doesn’t even sell liquor!!

Bike theft is also rampant in Vancouver, so I guess the solution is to stop selling bikes?????

God, keep chasing the symptoms of symptoms!

Of course, let's inconvenience the entire population just because we don't have the courage and competence to do what needs to be done.

And BTW (not for you), late-night and overnight businesses aren't just for addicts, criminals and partyers.

They're used by and often essential for people who work odd hours or multiple jobs, travellers, people with young kids, people with atypical sleeping patterns, etc.

Not to mention this is an urban forum where everyone is supposed to appreciate the merits of a city that is vibrant.

Rolling up the sidewalks when it gets dark is just about the polar opposite of urban vibrancy.

[MIPS]

Originally Posted by whatnext

Convenient for who? Junkies and criminals?

Did someone piss in your corn flakes or something?? What's the matter with you?

[urbancanadian]

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[WarrenC12]

7-11 has been closing stores globally, it's not a downtown Vancouver thing.

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by Metro-One

Because that will solve the problem!

It’s not the contemporary culture / social political / judicial system that’s the problems… it’s a 24 hour convenience store that doesn’t even sell liquor!!

Bike theft is also rampant in Vancouver, so I guess the solution is to stop selling bikes?????

God, keep chasing the symptoms of symptoms!

Absolutely deal with the big issues but it doesn't change the fact some businesses just seem to be magnets for disorder.

[Vin]

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

Breaking news: anarchy and disorder under the Sim administration!

Yup, keep insulting the best administrators in recent times when you are constantly mum about the garbage ones that caused all the disorderliness in this City, including the Provincial and Federal governments. I tip my hat off to you for being a great red herring creator.

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

7-11 has been closing stores globally, it's not a downtown Vancouver thing.

If by globally you mean the dysfunctional cities in North America, I understand why you have such a narrow scope of vision.

[Vin]

Originally Posted by whatnext

Convenient for who? Junkies and criminals?

Hopefully this will finish off the Robson and Hamilton location, like a cockroach stomped when a light shines on it.

Losers also break into and steal from department stores, pharmacies including London Drugs, restaurants and cafes: shut them all down eh?

Next time if your house get broken into, we can shut it down too.

Seriously, focus on the real problem, and that is way too many criminals and loser addicts are loose on our streets.

[jollyburger]

Zachary Tyrel Shettell, 29, has been charged with assault in connection to a Nov. 28 incident.

https://www.nsnews.com/highlights/man-wh...er-in-vancouver-appears-in-court-9912721

His Facebook:

https://www.facebook.com/zack.shettell/

[Migrant_Coconut]

Originally Posted by Vin

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Meet the new boss... same as the old boss!

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by Vin

If by globally you mean the dysfunctional cities in North America, I understand why you have such a narrow scope of vision.

Your economic and financial vision has no limits. How are your SBUX puts going?

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by Vin

Losers also break into and steal from department stores, pharmacies including London Drugs, restaurants and cafes: shut them all down eh?

Next time if your house get broken into, we can shut it down too.

Seriously, focus on the real problem, and that is way too many criminals and loser addicts are loose on our streets.

Et tu Vin?

You share the same love for 7-11 and their shitty food offerings?

[urbancanadian]

Nevermind, I'll be civil on here. If you want to follow whatnext's shenanigans, I suggest the same thread in the Canada section. Worth a laugh.

[jollyburger]

If you see his photo in the news does he still qualify as a stranger when he sucker punches you?

The suspect in a random sucker punch attack in downtown Vancouver one week ago is accused of assaulting another stranger four days earlier, court records reveal.

Both incidents were captured on security video. Earlier this week, Vancouver police shared footage of the Nov. 28 unprovoked assault.

The suspect, who turns 30 later this month, has not yet been charged in the attack outside Hudson’s Bay, but has since been charged with assaulting another man on Nov. 24 in downtown Vancouver.

“By all accounts, this is another unprovoked stranger attack,” Sgt. Steve Addison told Global News on Thursday.

In the earlier incident, police said the victim, 29, was walking near the Fairmont Hotel on West Georgia Street in the middle of the day.

https://globalnews.ca/news/10904602/vancouver-sucker-punch-suspect-charged/

[Vin]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

Your economic and financial vision has no limits. How are your SBUX puts going?

Never seen any future in it, but for being a gracious individual, you may put your life savings into their stocks.

[Vin]

Originally Posted by whatnext

Et tu Vin?

You share the same love for 7-11 and their shitty food offerings?

moi? It's just an all-day convenient shop to get stuff, which is also available in all other supermarkers and grocery shops with limited hours: c'est tout.

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by Vin

Never seen any future in it, but for being a gracious individual, you may put your life savings into their stocks.

SBUX has been making money for me for years. Keep downplaying it!

[jollyburger]

Sucker punch attacked two other people. Who gets to be victim #4?

On Monday, Shettell was charged with one count of assault in relation to the Nov. 28 incident.

He was also charged with assault of a 35-year-old man near the Vancouver Art Gallery on Nov. 24 and with assault on a 29-year-old man near West Pender and Granville streets on Nov. 25.

In all three cases, the victims did not know Shettell and had no prior interaction with him before the alleged assault, police said.

https://vancouversun.com/news/man-arrested-vancouver-sucker-punch-other-assaults

[jollyburger]

Premier David Eby says a plan to implement involuntary care for those with severe mental health and addictions issues will be ready to launch soon, as his government faces rising criticism over street disorder in the wake of a spate of seemingly random, violent stranger attacks this week around Metro Vancouver.

Eby said an outside expert he hired to clarify when and how hospitals can detain people under the Mental Health Act is almost complete.

“That'll be out imminently,” the premier said Thursday, referencing the work of Dr. Daniel Vigo. “He's very close to a final version on that, working with addictions experts, psychiatrists and others.”

Eby appointed Dr. Vigo his “scientific advisor” in June, but was then shellacked down to within a seat of losing October's election by voters upset about affordability, health care, crime and disorder in municipal downtown cores.

There was also a violent carjacking in Vancouver on Sunday, after a man reported being attacked by a stranger with a knife and broken glass bottle.

The next step, after the new involuntary care rules, will be to open new involuntary care spaces in which people can be held.

“We expect them to be open in the spring at Surrey pretrial, and at Maple Ridge,” said Eby. “These are mental health beds for Surrey pretrial, for people who’ve been in custody, and for Maple Ridge, for people in the community.

“It’s a small number of beds, but it will prove out the model. And we’ve got the resources to be able to expand it across the province.”

It might prove the model, but British Columbians will also be looking for a different kind of proof: A visible, meaningful, tangible reduction in street disorder and public fear in downtown cores. Without it, the cycle continues.

https://www.biv.com/news/commentary/rob-...isorder-amid-public-exasperation-9916950

10 beds in Surrey. 20 in Maple Ridge.

The province will establish facilities in regions across the province, with the first set to open in Metro Vancouver at a site called Monarch Homes on the grounds of the Allouette Correctional Centre. The capacity of this site was not mentioned at the news conference, but the office of the premier told CTV News, in an email, “there is room to scale up to 20.”

Designated units will also be set up in provincial jails, with the first 10 beds slated for the Surrey Pre-Trial Services Centre.

https://bc.ctvnews.ca/b-c-to-open-highly-secure-involuntary-care-facilities-1.7038703