Manitoba | Highways

[jim_bred]

Originally Posted by bomberjet

Also the McGillivray rail overpass is a future project. Likely near the bottom of the list if it's been left out of the current project.

I can count on one hand how many times I've hit a train at that crossing.

[Dengler Avenue]

Originally Posted by jim_bred

I can count on one hand how many times I've hit a train at that crossing.

How much did it cost to repair your car each time you “hit a train”?
JK, I know what you mean.

[bomberjet]

If the Province wants it to be a freeway, they'll need to grade separate everything.

[WildCake]

Originally Posted by bomberjet

If the Province wants it to be a freeway, they'll need to grade separate everything.

At 4 trains per week though it is along the same level of urgency as the Winnipeg Beach crossing for it's weekly run of Crown Royal supplies.

The design study stated re-routing this rail line is more cost-prohibitive than an rail overpass in it's current location.

I wonder if by the time they actually get to finishing up the Perimeter freeway initiative that it may be more economically feasible to run the rail straight north to connect at the CN mainline, or to reroute the line to a dual rail/folded diamond interchange at Wyper road once the city expands that far out.

[Biff]

By the time the Province finishes off all of the at grade intersections and moves on the the remaining rail crossings there will be flying trains.

[bomberjet]

Itd be about $8-$10 million based on my current unit rates for 4 miles of track, property, etc.to route it straight north along the backside of that industrial are on Hall Rd. Could make a business case that it'd spur some rail served land in that zone.

[Mr Tall Forehead]

Originally Posted by bomberjet

Itd be about $8-$10 million based on my current unit rates for 4 miles of track, property, etc.to route it straight north along the backside of that industrial are on Hall Rd. Could make a business case that it'd spur some rail served land in that zone.

Wow. Significantly less than what it would cost to build a four lane bridge over it.

[Carboy15]

https://metrodreamin.com/edit/QzI3RkRKbFVEZVA4dUNobWZiZ0VZQW9HNldoMnwx

[bomberjet]

Re-checking my numbers, maybe a bit more. I'd say $15 million would be max cost. Dependent upon property cost and utilities. What do the girders cost for dual span overpass these days? Probably close to that.

[Biff]

A rail overpass would likely run $40 to $60m...in Manitoba.

[WildCake]

Originally Posted by Biff

A rail overpass would likely run $40 to $60m...in Manitoba.

No idea how they got their numbers but here it is from the design study:

CEMR Carman Subdivision Rail Grade Separation: Three alternatives were investigated for this location: (1) grade-separation on existing alignment; (2) realignment to CN Rivers Subdivision (west of PTH 100); (3) and realignment to Four Mile Road / Wyper Road Interchange (west of PTH 100). The grade-separation on the existing alignment was selected as the preferred alternative, as the relocation alternatives were deemed not feasible in terms of the ease of being able to purchase and obtain additional right-of-way for rail relocation. For the Initial Stage, twin two-lane east-west structures are
proposed. For the Ultimate Stage, the twin east-west structures are proposed to be widened to three lanes.

Page 13
https://www.gov.mb.ca/mti/hpd/pth100/pdf/south_perimeter_design_study_final_report.pdf

[Carboy15]

Originally Posted by WildCake

No idea how they got their numbers but here it is from the design study:

CEMR Carman Subdivision Rail Grade Separation: Three alternatives were investigated for this location: (1) grade-separation on existing alignment; (2) realignment to CN Rivers Subdivision (west of PTH 100); (3) and realignment to Four Mile Road / Wyper Road Interchange (west of PTH 100). The grade-separation on the existing alignment was selected as the preferred alternative, as the relocation alternatives were deemed not feasible in terms of the ease of being able to purchase and obtain additional right-of-way for rail relocation. For the Initial Stage, twin two-lane east-west structures are
proposed. For the Ultimate Stage, the twin east-west structures are proposed to be widened to three lanes.

Page 13
https://www.gov.mb.ca/mti/hpd/pth100/pdf/south_perimeter_design_study_final_report.pdf

Well, it would make sense to do the rail relocation regardless. For the Southeast, I'd realign the CP La Riviere Subdivision to go SE of Oak Bluff and connect to the CP Glenboro subdivision. Then CEMR would have trackage rights from South of Highway 2 to the CN Rivers Junction. This way the CEMR Line NorthEast of the Oak Bluff Elevator would be dismantled.

Also, the CP La Riviere Subdivision North of La Salle would turn Northwest. And it would be dismantled for its entire length. But the thing is that there's a natural gas plant North of the Perimeter. Therefore they may have to just build a rail overpass for the Perimeter. Or, just keep the CP La Riviere between the Natural Gas Plant and the CN Mainline operating. Not for through rail traffic, but just for the Plant.

[bomberjet]

I've been driving the south perimeter a bit recently, from 59 to Hwy 2. Sure is nice to have St. Mary's overpass complete. Once Ste Anne's is done in 10 years or so lmao will be a decent stretch to drive except for Waverley and 330.

Looks like work is ramping up on McGillivray with some larger topsoil stockpiles and a gravel stockpile visible.

[Kswiss83]

Originally Posted by bomberjet

I've been driving the south perimeter a bit recently, from 59 to Hwy 2. Sure is nice to have St. Mary's overpass complete. Once Ste Anne's is done in 10 years or so lmao will be a decent stretch to drive except for Waverley and 330.

Looks like work is ramping up on McGillivray with some larger topsoil stockpiles and a gravel stockpile visible.

I noticed that they took the design circle off ste Anne’s and the perimeter off the infrastructure map. So 10 years is probably a solid bet

[Wpgstvsouth94]

Originally Posted by Kswiss83

I noticed that they took the design circle off ste Anne’s and the perimeter off the infrastructure map. So 10 years is probably a solid bet

I saw that too I wonder where we can get more information. They also took the red River Bridge as well off.

[bomberjet]

I wouldn't put much weight into that infrastructure map. Seems like a pet project that isn't fully accurate.

My 10 year timeline is based on McGillivray finishing up in 5 years, and then Ste Anne's on a similar timeline of another 5 year project before completion.

[jim_bred]

Originally Posted by bomberjet

I wouldn't put much weight into that infrastructure map. Seems like a pet project that isn't fully accurate.

My 10 year timeline is based on McGillivray finishing up in 5 years, and then Ste Anne's on a similar timeline of another 5 year project before completion.

McGillvrey is 4 years but a lot of that is the service roads that needs to be moved around there’s a lot.

During down the north perimeter daily the overpass at Oieline road cannot go up soon enough. It’s an absolute nightmare!

[bomberjet]

I'm not so patiently waiting for some more news on next steps for PTH 101.. Probably at the whim of budget cycles, and now summer slowdown with government.

[WildCake]

Originally Posted by bomberjet

I'm not so patiently waiting for some more news on next steps for PTH 101.. Probably at the whim of budget cycles, and now summer slowdown with government.

With diamond interchanges clocking in at a quarter of a billion dollars and taking 4 years from start to finish, I'm also not holding my breath that our province will have the funds to upgrade the Perimeter at a reasonable rate.

Probably just the slow churn of one project at a time, even though Pipeline, St Anne's, and Dugald at the Perimeter are now all past their effective capacity at rush hour, with the other light-controlled intersections not far behind.

[bomberjet]

Hoping they can get one project going on 100 and one on 101 at the same time. I think their goal for Perimeter Freeway 1 Million or whatever the name, is by 2045. So they'd need to get going on 101 at the same time.

Money is being spent in and around Winnipeg on major structures in recent times. 59N floodway bridges. St Mary's floodway bridge. Etc. Could transition that to 101.