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Old Posted Jan 21, 2026, 5:52 PM
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Just now I used ImageJ software to measure the heights of 1 Vandy vs. 175 Park Ave in that diagram as carefully as possible. I found the former to be 904 pixels tall vs. 977 pixels for the latter. Multiplying 1,401 ft by 977/904 gave 1,514 ft. Still pretty good although I was hoping for >1,550 ft so it would beat the roof height of the Central Park Tower.

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It's been stated multiple times in this thread that this visual is not to scale.
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Is 350 Park not an option? I think Citadel is only occupying 800k/1.8m sqft. It will be available sooner than 175 Park.

You misunderstand what that figure is. 350 Park only has about 1.4 msf of space to lease (or slightly less). Citadel has the prime, most desirable floors. They are also part of the development team, and will likely take another bite of the space before all is said and done. What will becleft are the higher, smaller, and most expensive floors to lease, which would likely be filled by firms seeking smaller scale, yet very expensive floors. We saw that happen with Vanderbilt and other towers. That’s why for the most part, firms needing large scale space (a half to a million sf or more) like to be the first anchor tenant. Developers can then also tailor the space to their needs.

But we still don’t know how much of 175 Park is leased. There’s over 2 msf, and it’s being kept close.


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It's been stated multiple times in this thread that this visual is not to scale.
They will keep latching into that, despite the actual rendering being the same. Truthfully, as SOM is still finalizing the design, a final, final number won’t be established until it is. Then we will follow the DOB to see what’s definitively being built.
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^ I was responding to wpolom's claim (made on 1/15/2025 at 1:25pm) that the diagram showed a 1,430' tower. My point was that even if we were to interpret the diagram literally, it depicts 175 Park Ave as being 1,514', not 1,430'.
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^ I was responding to wpolom's claim (made on 1/15/2025 at 1:25pm) that the diagram showed a 1,430' tower. My point was that even if we were to interpret the diagram literally, it depicts 175 Park Ave as being 1,514', not 1,430'.
That's a nice height, 100 feet taller than 350 so it'll stick out a bit.


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It's been stated multiple times in this thread that this visual is not to scale.
Quite possible, but why would they draw it out of scale?
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Quite possible, but why would they draw it out of scale?

Why don't you call them up personally, and ask why they would show a graphic that's not in line with every other rendering you have seen? You seem clearly disturbed by it.







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175 Park isn't specifically out-of-scale, everything is out-of-scale. The buildings purposely aren't scaled to one another. There was an explanation on Yimby Forums.
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Quite possible, but why would they draw it out of scale?
They could be using this as a tactic to appease the NIMBYs: "See, it's just a little taller than One Vanderbilt, so don't worry, it will block just a tiny bit more sunlight!"
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They could be using this as a tactic to appease the NIMBYs: "See, it's just a little taller than One Vanderbilt, so don't worry, it will block just a tiny bit more sunlight!"
Possibly correct - there is the concern that the Chrysler Building has been totally overshadowed by this new building, which some of them may think as a 'behemoth'.
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They could be using this as a tactic to appease the NIMBYs: "See, it's just a little taller than One Vanderbilt, so don't worry, it will block just a tiny bit more sunlight!"
They don't have to appease any NIMBYs. This was approved years ago. They just needed tenants and financing to move forward, and now it appears that will be the case.
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What a farce! They completely destroyed the most crucial architectural aspects of the design; namely, the base and the crown. Both have been severely truncated and have lost so much fine-grained articulation, thereby ruining the overall aesthetic beauty and sophistication of the tower’s architecture.

The design that was depicted in the physical model, about a dozen pages back, looked perfect and utterly sublime. I was anticipating its construction more than any other skyscraper in the world and now my interest has virtually vanished instantaneously. Way to ruin what could have been the most beautiful building to be built in New York in the postwar era. Incredibly frustrating.

This type of stuff drives me up the wall and it is why we should always be cautious to get our hopes up when we are presented with audacious and tantalizing renderings, as they usually aren’t indicative of what will actually be built, with few exceptions, such as Steinway Tower.

I’ve seen this happen so many times in my hometown of Toronto with a couple of recent examples being the previous iteration of Frank Gehry’s condo project, whose first phase is now rising with a diluted design, under the name, Forma. Check out this gorgeous model of the previous design (click the wheel to watch this in HD). This would have been absolutely stunning, if built as envisioned: https://www.facebook.com/MirvishGehryTO/videos/790810224289261/

Additionally, Alison Brooks’ phenomenally-designed Western Curve was originally proposed as this (see the link below), but the the overall Quayside project that it is part of has been valued engineered to smithereens, resulting in a completely reimagined design, and based on some preliminary renderings of the adjacent buildings, a very mundane, cookie cutter plan is in the works.

https://alisonbrooksarchitects.com/project/quayside/

CAL’s 30 Scollard Street, also in Toronto, has lost much of its verve, due to meddling at the City Planning level, but I digress.

Getting back to 175 Park Avenue, the base now looks very squat and the lines are less elegant and sinuous. The asymmetry of the metal support lattice/glass walls along the east and west profiles of the base looks especially terrible.

As for the crown, the beautifully tapered diamond motif and supple curve has been whittled down so much as to appear aesthetically dull and timid in comparison to the aforementioned model design, which as a whole, was so well-refined and carefully executed that I don’t think any improvements could have been made. Seeing this neutered reworking of the design is flabbergasting and deeply upsetting. Was this really necessary? Surely they could have brought the previous vision to fruition, no?

The original design of this tower went from good to spectacular and now it has gone backwards several steps. The previous version was graceful and sleek, now it appears clunky and cumbersome. It is moments like this that I almost wish I wasn’t so emotionally invested in architecture and urban planning, as these sorts of letdowns are so disillusioning and difficult to accept.

Most of what has been built since World War II has been ugly and utilitarian, so to have these rare opportunities where something truly exceptional is proposed, and then have much of its core identity and intricate detail stripped back, makes it nearly impossible to not to be pessimistic about how development projects will turn out.
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Old Posted Jan 24, 2026, 8:10 AM
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what changed? this is what som is showing —

https://www.som.com/projects/175-park-avenue/
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what changed? this is what som is showing —

https://www.som.com/projects/175-park-avenue/
Those are outdated renderings that combine images of the original design and the iteration that followed, which has now been altered again and can be seen in the documents posted in the last half dozen or so pages.
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What a farce! They completely destroyed the most crucial architectural aspects of the design; namely, the base and the crown. Both have been severely truncated and have lost so much fine-grained articulation, thereby ruining the overall aesthetic beauty and sophistication of the tower’s architecture.

The design that was depicted in the physical model, about a dozen pages back, looked perfect and utterly sublime. I was anticipating its construction more than any other skyscraper in the world and now my interest has virtually vanished instantaneously. Way to ruin what could have been the most beautiful building to be built in New York in the postwar era. Incredibly frustrating.

This type of stuff drives me up the wall and it is why we should always be cautious to get our hopes up when we are presented with audacious and tantalizing renderings, as they usually aren’t indicative of what will actually be built, with few exceptions, such as Steinway Tower.

I’ve seen this happen so many times in my hometown of Toronto with a couple of recent examples being the previous iteration of Frank Gehry’s condo project, whose first phase is now rising with a diluted design, under the name, Forma. Check out this gorgeous model of the previous design (click the wheel to watch this in HD). This would have been absolutely stunning, if built as envisioned: https://www.facebook.com/MirvishGehryTO/videos/790810224289261/

Additionally, Alison Brooks’ phenomenally-designed Western Curve was originally proposed as this (see the link below), but the the overall Quayside project that it is part of has been valued engineered to smithereens, resulting in a completely reimagined design, and based on some preliminary renderings of the adjacent buildings, a very mundane, cookie cutter plan is in the works.

https://alisonbrooksarchitects.com/project/quayside/

CAL’s 30 Scollard Street, also in Toronto, has lost much of its verve, due to meddling at the City Planning level, but I digress.

Getting back to 175 Park Avenue, the base now looks very squat and the lines are less elegant and sinuous. The asymmetry of the metal support lattice/glass walls along the east and west profiles of the base looks especially terrible.

As for the crown, the beautifully tapered diamond motif and supple curve has been whittled down so much as to appear aesthetically dull and timid in comparison to the aforementioned model design, which as a whole, was so well-refined and carefully executed that I don’t think any improvements could have been made. Seeing this neutered reworking of the design is flabbergasting and deeply upsetting. Was this really necessary? Surely they could have brought the previous vision to fruition, no?

The original design of this tower went from good to spectacular and now it has gone backwards several steps. The previous version was graceful and sleek, now it appears clunky and cumbersome. It is moments like this that I almost wish I wasn’t so emotionally invested in architecture and urban planning, as these sorts of letdowns are so disillusioning and difficult to accept.

Most of what has been built since World War II has been ugly and utilitarian, so to have these rare opportunities where something truly exceptional is proposed, and then have much of its core identity and intricate detail stripped back, makes it nearly impossible to not to be pessimistic about how development projects will turn out.
I agree with you it's a downgrade, but I personally think it's only very slight. It's still a gorgeous building as it currently sits IMO. Let's hope for no further deterioration and let's hope no one personally insults you for your mere opinion.
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What a farce! They completely destroyed the most crucial architectural aspects of the design; namely, the base and the crown. Both have been severely truncated and have lost so much fine-grained articulation, thereby ruining the overall aesthetic beauty and sophistication of the tower’s architecture.

As for the crown, the beautifully tapered diamond motif and supple curve has been whittled down so much as to appear aesthetically dull and timid in comparison to the aforementioned model design, which as a whole, was so well-refined and carefully executed that I don’t think any improvements could have been made. Seeing this neutered reworking of the design is flabbergasting and deeply upsetting. Was this really necessary? Surely they could have brought the previous vision to fruition, no?
I absolutely agree with these points, the crown has lost almost all the subtle details that made the previous iterations really soar (height itself notwithstanding). The flattening of the lattice's intersections into straight alignments, rather than the original's graceful curves, is my biggest gripe.


My work-in-progress 3D model of the crown based on the new diagrams:

Compared to one of the earlier architectural models:
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This looks great, Xing.

Can you make a new skyline render with this latest version and 350 Park?

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This looks great, Xing.

Can you make a new skyline render with this latest version and 350 Park?
Thanks, ChiND! I'll certainly do that once I finish this new model of 175 Park.
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Thanks, ChiND! I'll certainly do that once I finish this new model of 175 Park.
Thanks, Xing! I hadn’t seen you here in a while. I’m glad you’re still here!!
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https://www.bizjournals.com/newyork/news...dore-175-park-ave-nyc-office-hotels.html

Stalled Project Commodore office tower project showing signs of life again


By Kevin Smith – Staff Reporter, New York Business Journal
Jan 23, 2026

A 2.9 million-square-foot development is planned for 175 Park Ave. in Manhattan….

Can someone access this link?



The project has been in the works since 2020, but the developers are now moving forward with plans that include office space, hotel rooms and ground-level retail.
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