Sports in Canadian culture

[elly63]

Originally Posted by Acajack

They know that if a new mega-stadium isn't built in their city (which is a longshot at this point) that their city has little chance of hosting the WC final if Canada hosts.

I don't know, do they know that?

[MolsonExport]

Originally Posted by Oilkountry

I never called them dumps. give it up

Originally Posted by Oilkountry

Toronto and Montreal are dumps in comparison to Vancouver sorry to say it (great cities) but if a WC final is anywhere it should be BC place because that city will represent canada the best. You Toronto people need to get over yourselves. You're canada's biggest city. That's it, That's literally where it ends for you guys. "No city in canada will get another olympics untill toronto bids" "A world cup couldn't possibly happen without Toronto being the final match host...it's simply a non starter" HAHA shut up! WWC went just fine without you, Either way stop acting like the world owes you anything let alone the rest of canada, You're not entitled to anything

[Berklon]

Originally Posted by Oilkountry

Toronto and Montreal are dumps in comparison to Vancouver sorry to say it (great cities) but if a WC final is anywhere it should be BC place because that city will represent canada the best. You Toronto people need to get over yourselves. You're canada's biggest city. That's it, That's literally where it ends for you guys. "No city in canada will get another olympics untill toronto bids" "A world cup couldn't possibly happen without Toronto being the final match host...it's simply a non starter" HAHA shut up! WWC went just fine without you, Either way stop acting like the world owes you anything let alone the rest of canada, You're not entitled to anything

Yea, I guess it's not important that Toronto is the financial capital of Canada, right? And is the most multicultural city in Canada. And is the best known city in Canada to foreigners. But, yea - all it has over the other cities is it's the biggest. Right.

And comparing the WWC to the regular World Cup is hilariously laughable. I'm not going to even attempt to argue this point, because it's just too ridiculous.

I have no love of soccer and I don't even live in Toronto - but that doesn't mean I'm going to let any personal bias get in the way of facts - unlike your hatred of Toronto does.

[Oilkountry]

Originally Posted by Berklon

Yea, I guess it's not important that Toronto is the financial capital of Canada, right? And is the most multicultural city in Canada. And is the best known city in Canada to foreigners. But, yea - all it has over the other cities is it's the biggest. Right.

And comparing the WWC to the regular World Cup is hilariously laughable. I'm not going to even attempt to argue this point, because it's just too ridiculous.

I have no love of soccer and I don't even live in Toronto - but that doesn't mean I'm going to let any personal bias get in the way of facts - unlike your hatred of Toronto does.

Yes yes, I hate Toronto because I'm open to another Canadian city hosting the World cup final I'm just not ignorant enough to believe Toronto should automatically be handed the final just because you feel it's entitled to it

[Horus]

There's a lot of hand-wringing going on here over an event that hasn't even been bid on yet.

[Acajack]

Another thing is that a Canadian bid will likely have other ''leaps of faith'' required that will be intangible liabilities for it, like for example the fact we wouldn't be able to provide the 12 venues normally required for the tournament. Canada would likely ask FIFA if that number could be brought down to 10.

[mistercorporate]

http://www.torontosun.com/2015/12/06...ld-cup-in-2026

According to this were likely to propose using 8 stadiums in our bid, Qatar will be using 8. This will likely mean no new stadiums except the Calgary and Montreal stadiums and a refurbishment of some other existing stadiums.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by mistercorporate

http://www.torontosun.com/2015/12/06...ld-cup-in-2026

According to this were likely to propose using 8 stadiums in our bid, Qatar will be using 8. This will likely mean no new stadiums except the Calgary and Montreal stadiums and a refurbishment of some other existing stadiums.

Has that been decided by FIFA yet? Qatar originally bid with 12 and if they allow 8 it's a compromise FIFA will make. Not their ideal scenario.

I'd say if Canada wants the odds on its side it needs to commit 10 venues, namely all of the CFL cities plus one of Halifax or Quebec City.

[Acajack]

Within a few years any required decisions will have been made on renos for the Big O and a new stadium for Calgary.

At that point all a Canadian WC bid needs to be pretty solid is a decision on a new stadium in a city east of Montreal.

[elly63]

Originally Posted by Acajack

I'd say if Canada wants the odds on its side it needs to commit 10 venues, namely all of the CFL cities plus one of Halifax or Quebec City.

I thought there would be ten but if they can get away with eight they'd save a lot of money (security etc) and that could mean more extensive renovations for the host stadiums to glam it up a bit.

[elly63]

Originally Posted by mistercorporate

According to this were likely to propose using 8 stadiums in our bid, Qatar will be using 8. This will likely mean no new stadiums except the Calgary and Montreal stadiums and a refurbishment of some other existing stadiums.

I think you mean refurbishment for Montreal, won't be a new stadium built there despite how Victor worded it.

[esquire]

Does FIFA want Edmonton to be the host city of a WC? Probably not. If you're some fat FIFA kleptocrat, there probably aren't enough five star hotels, luxury boutiques and Michelin starred restaurants in E-town to spend your ill-gotten plunder.

BUT

If more countries refuse to pay the ever increasing demands for hosting a WC and FIFA ends up dancing with Canada for the sole reason that we're the only ones dumb enough to want to pay to put on a WC (which I still maintain that most Canadians don't give a crap about and won't happen for that reason), then FIFA will be in no position to dictate that a new stadium gets built in Toronto. I mean, I'm sure they'd like one but if Canada gets a WC it's going to be a take it or leave it proposition anyway.

There is a huge difference between whether Edmonton is capable of actually hosting the event (which it most certainly is) and whether the soccer bureaucracy wants that (which it most certainly doesn't). But no one ever said that the soccer bureaucracy is always entitled to getting what it wants.

[Horus]

Originally Posted by esquire

Does FIFA want Edmonton to be the host city of a WC? Probably not.

FIFA will let any city host, for the right price.

[elly63]

Originally Posted by Horus

FIFA will let any city host, for the right price.

Yup, and after Russia and Qatar and the FIFA scandals, less and less countries are willing to pay that price.

[Welkin]

Originally Posted by elly63

Yup, and after Russia and Qatar and the FIFA scandals, less and less countries are willing to pay that price.

This is not the Winter Olympics where no one wants to bid or pay the price except China. Believe me, FIFA always has a long list of countries willing to bid. The US or Mexico would take it in a second if they insist on a NA country. There is a long list of countries standing in line for the chance to host the World Cup. FIFA does not need Canada and they probably don't want Canada. The money and the prestige is down in the states. Don't forget we only got the Women's World Cup because no one else wanted it, not because our bid or facilities were so fantastic.

[elly63]

Originally Posted by Welkin

This is not the Winter Olympics where no one wants to bid or pay the price except China. Believe me, FIFA always has a long list of countries willing to bid. The US or Mexico would take it in a second if they insist on a NA country. There is a long list of countries standing in line for the chance to host the World Cup. FIFA does not need Canada and they probably don't want Canada. The money and the prestige is down in the states. Don't forget we only got the Women's World Cup because no one else wanted it, not because our bid or facilities were so fantastic.

Except for one thing, England and the USA can't host it every time. And it has to be spread around and not every country has the financial wherewithal to build insanely new facilities. The event can be big (like Vancouver 2010) without total fiscal insanity.

And FIFA does want us. Septic Bladder said it on several occasions, he may be gone but Canada is still attractive to them.

Even with a bid competition, there is no doubt in my mind we would have won the WWC no matter who else might have bid, it was our turn (not literally) and we had a good bid.

[Airboy]

When it comes down to it, sponsorship dollars are more important. The IOC is more concerned about revenue, bums in seats really do not add up to a lot of money. FIFA is the same. Hell Most ISO are.

I feel the overall cost associated with the WC will stop us from bidding.

[elly63]

Originally Posted by esquire

There is a huge difference between whether Edmonton is capable of actually hosting the event (which it most certainly is) and whether the soccer bureaucracy wants that (which it most certainly doesn't). But no one ever said that the soccer bureaucracy is always entitled to getting what it wants.

At last! Thank you!

[itom 987]

Those that think small cities are not cosmopolitan enough to host a large event need to be reminded that a dairy farm in the Catskills near the hamlet of White Lake held a massive music festival hosting 400,000 people called Woodstock. It didn't make money, and there were logistical problems but the event was such a success it defined a generation.

Being the largest city is becoming less a factor in choosing where a final event should be held. It's all about how things look on TV. As for time zones, North/South American time zones are a backwater hick town compared to the Europe/African/Asian/Austrailan time zone juggernaut. They might as well skip our side of the world entirely but wait! We could host it in Tuktoyaktuk! Yes, it will be a logistical and financial nightmare but like Woodstock, it can be done. Tuktoyaktuk has advantage that no other city in Canada can claim. Near 24 hour of sunlight in the summer months which means the event can be broadcast live anywhere in the world.

[itom 987]

Originally Posted by itom 987

Those that think small cities are not cosmopolitan enough to host a large event need to be reminded that a dairy farm in the Catskills near the hamlet of White Lake held a massive music festival hosting 400,000 people called Woodstock. It didn't make money, and there were logistical problems but the event was such a success it defined a generation.

Being the largest city is becoming less a factor in choosing where a final event should be held. It's all about how things look on TV. As for time zones, North/South American time zones are a backwater hick town compared to the Europe/African/Asian/Austrailan time zone juggernaut. They might as well skip our side of the world entirely but wait! We could host it in Tuktoyaktuk! Yes, it will be a logistical and financial nightmare but like Woodstock, it can be done. Tuktoyaktuk has advantage that no other city in Canada can claim. Near 24 hour of sunlight in the summer months which means the event can be broadcast live anywhere in the world.

The more I think about Tuktoyaktuk, the more I like the idea.
There was an evet held there in 1995:

What person in their right mind in the North would believe that anyone would bring four bands and 500 people to party in their town?

Well, someone believed in Tuk. Molson U.S.A. spent $10 million promoting and organizing the Polar Beach Party in Tuktoyaktuk, N.W.T. Performing were Metallica, Hole, Veruca Salt and Moist, and in the audience 500 contest winners and guests, plus everyone who wanted to come from the small arctic community.

- See more at: http://www.ammsa.com/node/20673#sthash.SRj7jahi.dpuf

The town has an all weather road, airport, and seaport. Hotels would be a city of cruise ships and motorhomes. A 100,000 seat temoprary stadium could be designed and built to be easily shipped, assembled and dismantled anywhere in the world, money could be made from that as a legacy project. There are gas fields for power and heat that the NWT government wants to develop. The international exposure to Canada's arctic woud have a much more significant and lasting effect than hosting it in Toronto or Montreal which would end up being forgotten within a year. This event would stand out and be seared into the memories of everyone around the world. Edmonton's 2003 Heritage Hockey Classic was the first of its kind held outside in -20c weather. This kind of event has since been copied throughout the world.

Lets face it, something like this is bound to happen sooner or later so Canada might as well grab the ball and run with it.