Sports in Canadian culture

[MolsonExport]

Originally Posted by Oilkountry

Toronto and Montreal are dumps in comparison to Vancouver sorry to say it (great cities) but if a WC final is anywhere it should be BC place because that city will represent canada the best. You Toronto people need to get over yourselves. You're canada's biggest city. That's it, That's literally where it ends for you guys. "No city in canada will get another olympics untill toronto bids" "A world cup couldn't possibly happen without Toronto being the final match host...it's simply a non starter" HAHA shut up! WWC went just fine without you, Either way stop acting like the world owes you anything let alone the rest of canada, You're not entitled to anything

Lot of Troll in that post. Nothing else of substance, and wretched grammar.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by mistercorporate

http://www.torontosun.com/2015/12/06...ld-cup-in-2026

According to this were likely to propose using 8 stadiums in our bid, Qatar will be using 8. This will likely mean no new stadiums except the Calgary and Montreal stadiums and a refurbishment of some other existing stadiums.

Has that been decided by FIFA yet? Qatar originally bid with 12 and if they allow 8 it's a compromise FIFA will make. Not their ideal scenario.

I'd say if Canada wants the odds on its side it needs to commit 10 venues, namely all of the CFL cities plus one of Halifax or Quebec City.

[Acajack]

Within a few years any required decisions will have been made on renos for the Big O and a new stadium for Calgary.

At that point all a Canadian WC bid needs to be pretty solid is a decision on a new stadium in a city east of Montreal.

[TownGuy]

Originally Posted by Oilkountry

Toronto and Montreal are dumps in comparison to Vancouver sorry to say it (great cities) but if a WC final is anywhere it should be BC place because that city will represent canada the best. You Toronto people need to get over yourselves. You're canada's biggest city. That's it, That's literally where it ends for you guys. "No city in canada will get another olympics untill toronto bids" "A world cup couldn't possibly happen without Toronto being the final match host...it's simply a non starter" HAHA shut up! WWC went just fine without you, Either way stop acting like the world owes you anything let alone the rest of canada, You're not entitled to anything

Literally where what ends? That's a meaningless statement. What are you trying to quantify with that? It's kind of funny because being the largest city in a given country usually entails a lot of things.

[Acajack]

I like razzing and provoking our Toronto friends as much as anyone but I do think they're being pretty realistic and good sports about this one.

They know that if a new mega-stadium isn't built in their city (which is a longshot at this point) that their city has little chance of hosting the WC final if Canada hosts.

But they're still in favour of Canada hosting as they'll get a great event out of it anyway: group stages, quarter-finals, semi-finals, etc.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by elly63

No, but they did host one in a 72 year old stadium outside of Los Angeles and not in New York.

In the heart of Greater Los Angeles which has over 15 million people and the second largest city in the country. In addition to being one of the world's largest media and entertainment centres.

[esquire]

Does FIFA want Edmonton to be the host city of a WC? Probably not. If you're some fat FIFA kleptocrat, there probably aren't enough five star hotels, luxury boutiques and Michelin starred restaurants in E-town to spend your ill-gotten plunder.

BUT

If more countries refuse to pay the ever increasing demands for hosting a WC and FIFA ends up dancing with Canada for the sole reason that we're the only ones dumb enough to want to pay to put on a WC (which I still maintain that most Canadians don't give a crap about and won't happen for that reason), then FIFA will be in no position to dictate that a new stadium gets built in Toronto. I mean, I'm sure they'd like one but if Canada gets a WC it's going to be a take it or leave it proposition anyway.

There is a huge difference between whether Edmonton is capable of actually hosting the event (which it most certainly is) and whether the soccer bureaucracy wants that (which it most certainly doesn't). But no one ever said that the soccer bureaucracy is always entitled to getting what it wants.

[Horus]

Originally Posted by esquire

Does FIFA want Edmonton to be the host city of a WC? Probably not.

FIFA will let any city host, for the right price.

[itom 987]

Those that think small cities are not cosmopolitan enough to host a large event need to be reminded that a dairy farm in the Catskills near the hamlet of White Lake held a massive music festival hosting 400,000 people called Woodstock. It didn't make money, and there were logistical problems but the event was such a success it defined a generation.

Being the largest city is becoming less a factor in choosing where a final event should be held. It's all about how things look on TV. As for time zones, North/South American time zones are a backwater hick town compared to the Europe/African/Asian/Austrailan time zone juggernaut. They might as well skip our side of the world entirely but wait! We could host it in Tuktoyaktuk! Yes, it will be a logistical and financial nightmare but like Woodstock, it can be done. Tuktoyaktuk has advantage that no other city in Canada can claim. Near 24 hour of sunlight in the summer months which means the event can be broadcast live anywhere in the world.

[elly63]

Originally Posted by Acajack

Except that they hosted the final in Joburg, not Durban. Second pick for the final would likely have been Cape Town, not Durban.

Yes I know, it was posted in the list. What I was trying to say is why me as a foreigner would care which city they picked. Unless we're not too educated we've heard of most of a country's big cities.

I'm saying I know in New Zealand there's Wellington and Christchurch and Auckland (which I think is the most populated) but what do I care which one would host a final, I've heard of them, and Edmonton has hosted enough big events that people would have heard of it too. And none of that really matters in the scheme of things whether people have heard about it or not.

[elly63]

Originally Posted by mistercorporate

According to this were likely to propose using 8 stadiums in our bid, Qatar will be using 8. This will likely mean no new stadiums except the Calgary and Montreal stadiums and a refurbishment of some other existing stadiums.

I think you mean refurbishment for Montreal, won't be a new stadium built there despite how Victor worded it.

[elly63]

Originally Posted by Acajack

They know that if a new mega-stadium isn't built in their city (which is a longshot at this point) that their city has little chance of hosting the WC final if Canada hosts.

I don't know, do they know that?

[elly63]

Originally Posted by esquire

There is a huge difference between whether Edmonton is capable of actually hosting the event (which it most certainly is) and whether the soccer bureaucracy wants that (which it most certainly doesn't). But no one ever said that the soccer bureaucracy is always entitled to getting what it wants.

At last! Thank you!

[elly63]

Originally Posted by Horus

FIFA will let any city host, for the right price.

Yup, and after Russia and Qatar and the FIFA scandals, less and less countries are willing to pay that price.

[elly63]

Originally Posted by Acajack

I'd say if Canada wants the odds on its side it needs to commit 10 venues, namely all of the CFL cities plus one of Halifax or Quebec City.

I thought there would be ten but if they can get away with eight they'd save a lot of money (security etc) and that could mean more extensive renovations for the host stadiums to glam it up a bit.

[logan5]

From the Toronto Sun article...

He listed venues in Vancouver, Edmonton, Winnipeg, Hamilton, Toronto and Ottawa as being expandable to meet World Cup standards.

Ok I've only read the last few page of this conversation so i probly missed something, but what are these expansion to BC Place that need to happen? I presume that means increasing capacity and switching to a grass field. Grass field could be done fairly easily, but how do you increase capacity?

[itom 987]

Originally Posted by itom 987

Those that think small cities are not cosmopolitan enough to host a large event need to be reminded that a dairy farm in the Catskills near the hamlet of White Lake held a massive music festival hosting 400,000 people called Woodstock. It didn't make money, and there were logistical problems but the event was such a success it defined a generation.

Being the largest city is becoming less a factor in choosing where a final event should be held. It's all about how things look on TV. As for time zones, North/South American time zones are a backwater hick town compared to the Europe/African/Asian/Austrailan time zone juggernaut. They might as well skip our side of the world entirely but wait! We could host it in Tuktoyaktuk! Yes, it will be a logistical and financial nightmare but like Woodstock, it can be done. Tuktoyaktuk has advantage that no other city in Canada can claim. Near 24 hour of sunlight in the summer months which means the event can be broadcast live anywhere in the world.

The more I think about Tuktoyaktuk, the more I like the idea.
There was an evet held there in 1995:

What person in their right mind in the North would believe that anyone would bring four bands and 500 people to party in their town?

Well, someone believed in Tuk. Molson U.S.A. spent $10 million promoting and organizing the Polar Beach Party in Tuktoyaktuk, N.W.T. Performing were Metallica, Hole, Veruca Salt and Moist, and in the audience 500 contest winners and guests, plus everyone who wanted to come from the small arctic community.

- See more at: http://www.ammsa.com/node/20673#sthash.SRj7jahi.dpuf

The town has an all weather road, airport, and seaport. Hotels would be a city of cruise ships and motorhomes. A 100,000 seat temoprary stadium could be designed and built to be easily shipped, assembled and dismantled anywhere in the world, money could be made from that as a legacy project. There are gas fields for power and heat that the NWT government wants to develop. The international exposure to Canada's arctic woud have a much more significant and lasting effect than hosting it in Toronto or Montreal which would end up being forgotten within a year. This event would stand out and be seared into the memories of everyone around the world. Edmonton's 2003 Heritage Hockey Classic was the first of its kind held outside in -20c weather. This kind of event has since been copied throughout the world.

Lets face it, something like this is bound to happen sooner or later so Canada might as well grab the ball and run with it.

[elly63]

Originally Posted by logan5

From the Toronto Sun article...
Ok I've only read the last few page of this conversation so i probly missed something, but what are these expansion to BC Place that need to happen? I presume that means increasing capacity and switching to a grass field. Grass field could be done fairly easily, but how do you increase capacity?

It can probably be done but as was already mentioned do you want it to be done when it just underwent extensive renovations. You definitely don't want more seats in that stadium as a permanent legacy.

In 1990 the Houston Astrodome crammed another 12k seats in the stadium later reducing it about 3k five years later. Definitely not recommending this for BC Place unless it is temporary seating.

[Airboy]

Really I don't know why we are arguing about the Mens WC, The bribes alone will probably be prohibitive.

For media exposure the eastern time zone is more advantages. For facilities the existing infrastructure is going to be to old by the time we actually maybe get them.

Toronto will more than likely have the facilities built out properly for a Final. Its also media central.

But to go back to my dealings with International Sport Governing bodies, if they didn't have to deal with NA they would be quite happy. Europe is the first choice followed by the US ( For financial Reasons).

[Welkin]

Originally Posted by elly63

Yup, and after Russia and Qatar and the FIFA scandals, less and less countries are willing to pay that price.

This is not the Winter Olympics where no one wants to bid or pay the price except China. Believe me, FIFA always has a long list of countries willing to bid. The US or Mexico would take it in a second if they insist on a NA country. There is a long list of countries standing in line for the chance to host the World Cup. FIFA does not need Canada and they probably don't want Canada. The money and the prestige is down in the states. Don't forget we only got the Women's World Cup because no one else wanted it, not because our bid or facilities were so fantastic.