Winnipeg | Downtown | The Forks Market | Railside at The Forks

[neutroniks]

Is that why Bond Redux hasn't moved forward yet? Because of the transit corridor running through there?

[bomberjet]

Bond Redux is just an idea.

[GeminiMan]

Sunday evenings... Via Rail arrives from the west which will sit idling near York underpass for three hours.
Monday evenings... Via Rail arrives from the east which will sit idling near the Forks for three hours.
Wednesday evenings... Via Rail arrives from the west which will sit idling near York underpass for three hours.
Thursday evenings... Via Rail arrives from the easr which will sit idling near the forks for three hours.

These times can vary from 7 pm til 5 am depending on the freight traffic.

Freight traffic runs all day and all night.

These residential developments on railside are born to fail if developed.

Rail noise negatively affects people through auditory and non-auditory effects, leading to sleep disturbances, stress, and potential cardiovascular problems like hypertension, stroke, and heart disease. The noise can also cause annoyance, fatigue, and difficulty concentrating, with vibration from trains exacerbating these effects. Chronic exposure to high levels is a significant health concern, increasing the risk of chronic conditions.

As I directly live across from and facing the Forks on Garry, I can attest to the noise.

[plrh]

Originally Posted by GeminiMan

Sunday evenings... Via Rail arrives from the west which will sit idling near York underpass for three hours.
Monday evenings... Via Rail arrives from the east which will sit idling near the Forks for three hours.
Wednesday evenings... Via Rail arrives from the west which will sit idling near York underpass for three hours.
Thursday evenings... Via Rail arrives from the easr which will sit idling near the forks for three hours.

These times can vary from 7 pm til 5 am depending on the freight traffic.

Freight traffic runs all day and all night.

These residential developments on railside are born to fail if developed.

Rail noise negatively affects people through auditory and non-auditory effects, leading to sleep disturbances, stress, and potential cardiovascular problems like hypertension, stroke, and heart disease. The noise can also cause annoyance, fatigue, and difficulty concentrating, with vibration from trains exacerbating these effects. Chronic exposure to high levels is a significant health concern, increasing the risk of chronic conditions.

As I directly live across from and facing the Forks on Garry, I can attest to the noise.

But is it worse than other city noise? I live under a runway and planes fly in all night. I usually hear sirens 5 - 10 times per day. I can hear the CN mainline at night from my house. I can feel the shake in winter from a semi going down corydon (it is rare) from 300' away in my bed, they shake my whole house through the frost. But snow removal is the worst, goddamn back alarms all night every week. Why can't they clear snow during the day? Some houses have highway noise to deal with, but I'm lucky that I don't. According to my health tracking watch, I don't usually wake up at night. New builds are better at keeping sound than my 80 year old house. People will be fine.

[Mr Tall Forehead]

Originally Posted by GeminiMan

Sunday evenings... Via Rail arrives from the west which will sit idling near York underpass for three hours.
Monday evenings... Via Rail arrives from the east which will sit idling near the Forks for three hours.
Wednesday evenings... Via Rail arrives from the west which will sit idling near York underpass for three hours.
Thursday evenings... Via Rail arrives from the easr which will sit idling near the forks for three hours.

These times can vary from 7 pm til 5 am depending on the freight traffic.

Freight traffic runs all day and all night.

These residential developments on railside are born to fail if developed.

Rail noise negatively affects people through auditory and non-auditory effects, leading to sleep disturbances, stress, and potential cardiovascular problems like hypertension, stroke, and heart disease. The noise can also cause annoyance, fatigue, and difficulty concentrating, with vibration from trains exacerbating these effects. Chronic exposure to high levels is a significant health concern, increasing the risk of chronic conditions.

As I directly live across from and facing the Forks on Garry, I can attest to the noise.

Meh. What about all the residential in the east Exchange that is just as close to the track as Railside?

[bomberjet]

I can hear thew dull hum of the locomotives from the track a half mile away, its soothing. I don't hear the grind like downtown though. And dont live 200' from the track. The new buildings at railside were supposed to have noise and vibration mitigations elements built in. Ie: thicker concrete walls, foundations dampers, thick windows. Anyone know if they actually do?

[Biff]

Strange that the 10s of thousands of people in towers along the rail line/Gardner in Toronto make it work, or all of the buildings in Griffintown, Montreal built adjacent to the rail line in what is a poster child neighborhood for downtown redevelopment in Canada seem to work.

[neutroniks]

or just Chicago or New York in general.

[pspeid]

Originally Posted by Biff

Strange that the 10s of thousands of people in towers along the rail line/Gardner in Toronto make it work, or all of the buildings in Griffintown, Montreal built adjacent to the rail line in what is a poster child neighborhood for downtown redevelopment in Canada seem to work.

Yes I doubt the plan was to re-create Elwood Blue's flophouse room next to the Chicago EL.

[Wpgdude]

Originally Posted by GeminiMan

Sunday evenings... Via Rail arrives from the west which will sit idling near York underpass for three hours.
Monday evenings... Via Rail arrives from the east which will sit idling near the Forks for three hours.
Wednesday evenings... Via Rail arrives from the west which will sit idling near York underpass for three hours.
Thursday evenings... Via Rail arrives from the easr which will sit idling near the forks for three hours.

These times can vary from 7 pm til 5 am depending on the freight traffic.

Freight traffic runs all day and all night.

These residential developments on railside are born to fail if developed.

Rail noise negatively affects people through auditory and non-auditory effects, leading to sleep disturbances, stress, and potential cardiovascular problems like hypertension, stroke, and heart disease. The noise can also cause annoyance, fatigue, and difficulty concentrating, with vibration from trains exacerbating these effects. Chronic exposure to high levels is a significant health concern, increasing the risk of chronic conditions.

As I directly live across from and facing the Forks on Garry, I can attest to the noise.

I would bet millions of people live nears tracks around the world. Imagine the people in NYC and Chicago alone who live alongside tracks. You ever been to europe? I stayed in an Airbnb in Southhampton England this summer where my windows literally looked down on two main line tracks with a train going by every fifteen minutes. By morning i didn't even notice it anymore.

[Biff]

My reason for not mentioning Europe or the big Cities in the US are that a lot of those systems are electrified. The examples I used were of locations with diesel powered, noisy trains.

[bon_vivant]

Originally Posted by Biff

Strange that the 10s of thousands of people in towers along the rail line/Gardner in Toronto make it work, or all of the buildings in Griffintown, Montreal built adjacent to the rail line in what is a poster child neighborhood for downtown redevelopment in Canada seem to work.

For a time in Montreal, I lived downtown right next to the commuter train line. It was jarring for the first few days after moving in but it soon became a non-issue. People adapt.

[optimusREIM]

Originally Posted by Biff

My reason for not mentioning Europe or the big Cities in the US are that a lot of those systems are electrified. The examples I used were of locations with diesel powered, noisy trains.

The diesel really is the least noisy bit when it comes down to it. In Chicago, the noise from the L is really quite loud just from the wheels and screeching. Yes, a diesel locomotive does make a good amount of noise, but when taken in context, that part is really quite brief compared to the rumbling of the train on the rails and the screeching of steel on steel as the massive freight cars grind along the high line at the Forks. Then there's the banging of the cars as brakes are applied. The locomotive goes by in a minute, but the train cars take a long time which is the bigger issue. Unless you were to change the type of wheels or mandate shorter trains, that bit doesn't really change all that much.

I think a big reason that trains in Europe feel quieter is that their rails are significantly smoother and their rolling stock has better suspension. The other factor that drives this I feel is that their trains are simply shorter.

[Wpg_Guy]

Site 9 has been issued a development permit

• Railside | Site 09

Location: 72 Israel Asper Way
Developer: FNP
Architect: Number TEN Architectural Group
Status: Proposed
Documents: VARIANCE: 24-279590/B-April 17, 2025
Project Thread: Forks Redevelopment
Renderings
Description: The City of Winnipeg approved an application for a six storey mixed-use building with four ground floor commercial units and 91 residential units on the floors above. Recipient of the Housing Accelerator Fund Capital Grant Incentive.
Permits: 25-139621 DP-2025-12-09 Development Permit Application for a proposed two building, 79,409 sq. ft. 6-storey mixed-use development containing a 91-unit Multi-Family Dwelling Use and 4 Commercial Rental Units located on the main floors. The two buildings are connected by outdoor walkways at each level and building A has a roof top patio amenity.

[Biff]

My recent conversation with someone involved with this project said it was a spring start.

[neutroniks]

[GeminiMan]

Originally Posted by plrh

But is it worse than other city noise? I live under a runway and planes fly in all night. I usually hear sirens 5 - 10 times per day. I can hear the CN mainline at night from my house. I can feel the shake in winter from a semi going down corydon (it is rare) from 300' away in my bed, they shake my whole house through the frost. But snow removal is the worst, goddamn back alarms all night every week. Why can't they clear snow during the day? Some houses have highway noise to deal with, but I'm lucky that I don't. According to my health tracking watch, I don't usually wake up at night. New builds are better at keeping sound than my 80 year old house. People will be fine.

What you are describing is intermittent noise. The diesel locomotives that sit there for 2-3 hours would be the cause. Glass windows are the cause for most of the infilitration. The planned structures are sitting at rail height and not far from the impact point.

[GeminiMan]

Originally Posted by Mr Tall Forehead

Meh. What about all the residential in the east Exchange that is just as close to the track as Railside?

They are farther away from the sitting point of the Diesel Locomotives for 2-3 hrs.

[GeminiMan]

Originally Posted by Wpgdude

I would bet millions of people live nears tracks around the world. Imagine the people in NYC and Chicago alone who live alongside tracks. You ever been to europe? I stayed in an Airbnb in Southhampton England this summer where my windows literally looked down on two main line tracks with a train going by every fifteen minutes. By morning i didn't even notice it anymore.

England is electric rail. You don't see diesel.

[The Jabroni]

Originally Posted by GeminiMan

Sunday evenings... Via Rail arrives from the west which will sit idling near York underpass for three hours.
Monday evenings... Via Rail arrives from the east which will sit idling near the Forks for three hours.
Wednesday evenings... Via Rail arrives from the west which will sit idling near York underpass for three hours.
Thursday evenings... Via Rail arrives from the easr which will sit idling near the forks for three hours.

These times can vary from 7 pm til 5 am depending on the freight traffic.

Freight traffic runs all day and all night.

These residential developments on railside are born to fail if developed.

Rail noise negatively affects people through auditory and non-auditory effects, leading to sleep disturbances, stress, and potential cardiovascular problems like hypertension, stroke, and heart disease. The noise can also cause annoyance, fatigue, and difficulty concentrating, with vibration from trains exacerbating these effects. Chronic exposure to high levels is a significant health concern, increasing the risk of chronic conditions.

As I directly live across from and facing the Forks on Garry, I can attest to the noise.

This is literally a weak argument because I live in a neighbourhood, be it Windsor Park, where it's between Lagimodiere, which runs alongside the CN Symington Yards to the northeast, the north/south CPKCR line to the west, Fermor to the south, and WFPS Station 9 at Cottonwood and Autumnwood. I hear traffic and activity of all sorts day in and day out. I don't live directly next to any of the heavy traffic areas, but I can sure hear them from literally any direction.

People moving into the area should at the very least know the surrounding area. I knew moving into the neighbourhood that there will be traffic and some form noise that would be prevalent. Yet, they can only last so long before it dies down.

Rail traffic will come randomly. Granted the CPKC line is busy as it is the link to the USA. Trains get by in 10-15 minutes. Sometimes 20 minutes if it's very long and is on its way north into the CPKC Winnipeg/Weston Yards by turning westbound at the junction near Archibald and Mission.

CN freight traffic through downtown and by The Forks will be the same. It is their main line that travels through downtown, but again, people moving into the area should at least be aware of where they're moving to once the Railside development is built. It is the city after all and downtown for all intents and purposes. It's inherently noisy anyway.