Burnaby Updates

[SpongeG]

Originally Posted by VarBreStr18

Deveopers can build what they want, but where would the buyers come from? ... more immigrants? I predict Brentwood would become over build, much like Toronto in the eighties.

Canada will let in 341,000 immigrants in 2020 and that will increase to 350,000 in 2021, and every year beyond, and a big number of those will end up choosing to settle in the Vancouver area.

The 2019-2021 plan includes a small number of adjustments to previously-announced targets in 2019 and 2020. These adjustments are identified below. The new plan also commits to increasing admissions to 350,000 in 2021, which will be equal to nearly 1% of Canada’s population.

https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration...vels-2019.html

[Spr0ckets]

Originally Posted by logan5

There’s not much to do in Burnaby except go to a shopping mall. Anything else like sporting events, concerts, nice restaurants, etc, you have to come to Vancouver. The core of Vancouver keeps growing rapidly, so it will be impossible for Burnaby to ever rival Vancouver.

Brentwood or Metrotown can’t even rival Mt. Pleasant, and probly never will, since the Broadway subway is coming in 2025.

That's a matter of personal opinion and taste.

If I was ever in a situation where I never had the need to go to Downtown at all, I never would.

In fact, I'm pretty certain that if I was ever able to work entirely in Burnaby and never had to venture to Downtown other than for the occasional visit, I absolutely would never bother.

There's practically nothing that Downtown offers (for most occasions) that I can't get from the greater Burnaby area.

[Vin]

Originally Posted by logan5

There’s not much to do in Burnaby except go to a shopping mall. Anything else like sporting events, concerts, nice restaurants, etc, you have to come to Vancouver. The core of Vancouver keeps growing rapidly, so it will be impossible for Burnaby to ever rival Vancouver.

Brentwood or Metrotown can’t even rival Mt. Pleasant, and probly never will, since the Broadway subway is coming in 2025.

The core of Vancouver isn't really growing rapidly. Throwing in a lot of residential buildings into a traditional cultural and entertainment centre only makes it become quieter and more subdued. Ever seen new museums, sporting facilities, large hotels and office blocks, additional transportation facilities, new malls or retail centres, etc, built during the last decade here? In fact, where once great, now we have some dying neighbourhoods like Granville Street, Chinatown, DTES, South Granville retail zone, and Gastown. Burnaby town centres are going the opposite directions from Vancouver's, and the future should be brighter for them.

[Tetsuo]

Originally Posted by logan5

There’s not much to do in Burnaby except go to a shopping mall. Anything else like sporting events, concerts, nice restaurants, etc, you have to come to Vancouver. The core of Vancouver keeps growing rapidly, so it will be impossible for Burnaby to ever rival Vancouver.

Brentwood or Metrotown can’t even rival Mt. Pleasant, and probly never will, since the Broadway subway is coming in 2025.

That's a very Mt Pleasant centric view.

For non-westernized asians, Downtown and Mt Pleasant don't appeal to them, Richmond and Burnaby do, especially since for a large number of people, entertainment = hanging out with group and going for dinner.

Same goes for family/suburban types, although for concerts and sporting events for them would mean downtown (which won't be beat)

[officedweller]

Originally Posted by Tetsuo

That's a very Mt Pleasant centric view.

For non-westernized asians, Downtown and Mt Pleasant don't appeal to them, Richmond and Burnaby do, especially since for a large number of people, entertainment = hanging out with group and going for dinner.

... and that may not involve drinking alcohol.

[Metro-One]

Originally Posted by Tetsuo

That's a very Mt Pleasant centric view.

For non-westernized asians, Downtown and Mt Pleasant don't appeal to them, Richmond and Burnaby do, especially since for a large number of people, entertainment = hanging out with group and going for dinner.

Same goes for family/suburban types, although for concerts and sporting events for them would mean downtown (which won't be beat)

I guess Japanese and Koreans are a different type of Asian, as they often enjoy downtown to a similar degree as non Asians... (if not more so, especially for Japanese). That’s not to say there aren’t enclaves elsewhere in the metro, seeing how the vast majority of our region’s population lives outside of downtown and Vancouver proper, that straw man can be used for any group / ethnicity.

[Metro-One]

Originally Posted by officedweller

... and that may not involve drinking alcohol.

Again not if your partying with Japanese or Koreans They know how to have fun.

I find grouping “Asians” together as a single group as silly as saying all European cultures, from Russia to Portugal to the UK are a single group.

[djmk]

The old Cafe Classico on hastings was torn down today

And there finally seems to be a lot of activity at the old legion across the street. Hopefully we will see a new building rise up from that lot soon

[SFUVancouver]

I noted in the Avison Young 2019 year-end office market report that a substantial office project (~340,000 sqft) is in the works for 3100 Production Way. With a bit of digging, it seems like where it currently stands is that staff have Council approval to continue engagement with ZGF (on behalf of Blackwood Partners) on a full rezoning proposal for a phased redevelopment of the current ~360,000 sqft warehouse into a mixed-employment office-primary high(er) density project.

Here are renders from ZGF (c\o Colliers) of the overall precinct and the first phase office building(s).


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Here's a link to the leasing brochure for the first phase (~340,000 sqft office): https://s3.amazonaws.com/storage-ube...ument/2786.pdf

[djmk]

looks like a space that you would never want to spend any time at. Especially after 5 pm

[chowhou]

Originally Posted by djmk

looks like a space that you would never want to spend any time at. Especially after 5 pm

Not going to judge this until more information is available with higher quality renders, but those images are definitely giving me some neo-brutalist vibes. Vancouver is in need of more office space, so I'll give this the benefit of the doubt.

[SpongeG]

I must be the only person who likes it.
The location though, didn't Daiya foods take over that space from the Brick just recently?

[chowhou]

Originally Posted by SpongeG

I must be the only person who likes it.
The location though, didn't Daiya foods take over that space from the Brick just recently?

Judging by the promotional material, it looks like the first stage of this development is over the parking lot at the corner.

[officedweller]

Nice, thanks.

Follows the trend towards more "substantial" looking buildings which incorporate sunshading through more integral design elements rather than tacking on fins and louvres. Whether that approaches brutalist, maybe.

Note that Blackwood Partners also owns Central City and will be developing the Central City 2 office tower - so it appears they are big on office space.

I googled the location.


https://www.google.com/maps/place/31...4d-122.9151227

Strange how the leasing brochure makes it look farther away from the station than Google Maps does
(because the star is in the wrong place for Phase 1 and the label for Production Way Station covers the roadways).


https://s3.amazonaws.com/storage-ube...ument/2786.pdf

[chowhou]

Originally Posted by officedweller

Follows the trend towards more "substantial" looking buildings which incorporate sunshading through more integral design elements rather than tacking on fins and louvres. Whether that approaches brutalist, maybe.

Just look at the likes of Buchanan Tower at UBC or 805 West Broadway for buildings incorporating sunshading through integral design. Ends up pretty brutalist, not that that's necessarily a bad thing.

[SpongeG]

Originally Posted by officedweller

Nice, thanks.


I googled the location.


https://www.google.com/maps/place/31...4d-122.9151227

Strange how the leasing brochure makes it look farther away from the station than Google Maps does
(because the star is in the wrong place for Phase 1 and the label for Production Way Station covers the roadways).


https://s3.amazonaws.com/storage-ube...ument/2786.pdf

it is a pretty long walk as it is now, you have to walk quite a way to reach that spot. The area is pedestrian unfriendly and full of dead ends and fenced off areas. Once fully developed with all the internal pathways etc it would cut walking time down. I drive through that area all the time.

[officedweller]

Originally Posted by chowhou

Just look at the likes of Buchanan Tower at UBC or 805 West Broadway for buildings incorporating sunshading through integral design. Ends up pretty brutalist, not that that's necessarily a bad thing.

Yeah, I like the looks of a recessed window (in concrete or metal cladding) better than tacked-on fins.

[towerseeker101]

More info about the Grosvenor Brentwood project: https://vancouversun.com/business/co...transformation

No 60-90 story towers here unfortunately. The early proposal includes:
- 10 year build-out timeline
- 5 towers up to 51 storeys
- 4 buildings up to 6 storeys (rental?)
- 280,000 sq ft of office, retail, and restaurant space

[Metro-One]

Well that’s disappointing.

But, in all honesty the best spots for Brentwood’s tallest towers are the Petro Canada site and the Carter lot.

Let’s hope something happens with either of those sometime soon.

[towerseeker101]

Originally Posted by Metro-One

Well that’s disappointing.

But, in all honesty the best spots for Brentwood’s tallest towers are the Petro Canada site and the Carter lot.

Let’s hope something happens with either of those sometime soon.

I won't be holding my breath.... after learning that the Grosvenor project isn't going to live up to the skyscraperpage hype/rumors .