The Manitoba Provincial Politics Discussion

[djforsberg]

Originally Posted by Luisito

That's pure hypocrisy coming from you. You have been passive aggressive from for pages now.

I’m sorry but only one of us continues to act this way.

Originally Posted by Luisito

Facism is not returning here. Stop the doom and gloom crap. This type of person HAS to think this way order in order to justify his ideology. He cannot being himself to admit capitalism works. His ideology is one that has failed over and over again.

Dude, it’s happening. I’m not the only poster/person who sees it coming. Come visit Saskatchewan for a weekend, and I’ll show you it first hand.

[djforsberg]

Originally Posted by Luisito

Ok hypocrite. It's the truth.

Calling someone a crybaby is not having a mature discussion. I joined in on the personal attacks and saw that I was wrong so Im trying to continue with a clean slate. Feel free to join me and if you think I’m wrong about something, do so with evidence. Or ignore me. That’s easy to do too. It’s an option on this forum.

[Luisito]

[QUOTE]

Originally Posted by djforsberg

I’m sorry but only one of us continues to act this way.

Nope your still acting the same way. You were asked to stop derailing the thread and you continue to do it.

Socialist have always been saying Canada is becoming fascist or already is. Anyone that doesn't agree with them is a fascist to them. It was like that when I was in school and i see they haven't changed at all They are still privliged people complaining about how hard it is here..... Guess what, we're still not fascist. If anything our society has moved to the left.

It's not happening in Manitoba. Sasketchewan is not representative of all Canadian society. Socialism has never worked and will never work. Socialism is just as much of threat as fascism. There are plenty examples of this.

[Luisito]

Originally Posted by djforsberg

Calling someone a crybaby is not having a mature discussion. I joined in on the personal attacks and saw that I was wrong so Im trying to continue with a clean slate. Feel free to join me and if you think I’m wrong about something, do so with evidence. Or ignore me. That’s easy to do too. It’s an option on this forum.

You admit you have made personal attacks and now expect us to take you serious? You were asked to stop derailing the thread and you keep doing so. I tried to stay out of it yesterday but at this point your just a troll.

[djforsberg]

Luisito: you are now on my ignore list. I can see that you post but I can no longer see what it is so don’t even bother replying to my posts. Anyone else who can’t handle having a respectful conversation will be added to the list. And if you don’t want to hear what I have to say, please do the same for me.

[Luisito]

Originally Posted by djforsberg

Luisito: you are now on my ignore list. I can see that you post but I can no longer see what it is so don’t even bother replying to my posts. Anyone else who can’t handle having a respectful conversation will be added to the list. And if you don’t want to hear what I have to say, please do the same for me.

Good. 👍 I'm glad. He asks for respect when he gives none. Typical SJW

[pspeid]

Originally Posted by djforsberg

Before I read that, what are your thoughts on the video I shared? Do you disagree that if there’s always room for wealth to be accumulated that exploitation will inevitably return, as it is currently happening in Sweden?

Well I suppose as long as human motivation (including economic motivators) is essentially "fear-based", the temptation to hoard and control resources vital to human existence (in other words, "wealth") will be overwhelming to many.

FYI I don't count "wealth" as simply having "stuff". I don't think having "stuff" is necessarily bad if it gives you joy and you don't let it control your life. Of course, I say that because I don't know of anyone who particularly wants to have my "stuff". If someone walked into my home and asked me for my vintage board games or my collection of schlocky movies on DVD I'm sure I'd be outraged and say "mine! mine!". Life without my Battling Tops game is too scary to consider.

[djforsberg]

Originally Posted by pspeid

Well I suppose as long as human motivation (including economic motivators) is essentially "fear-based", the temptation to hoard and control resources vital to human existence (in other words, "wealth") will be overwhelming to many.

FYI I don't count "wealth" as simply having "stuff". I don't think having "stuff" is necessarily bad if it gives you joy and you don't let it control your life. Of course, I say that because I don't know of anyone who particularly wants to have my "stuff". If someone walked into my home and asked me for my vintage board games or my collection of schlocky movies on DVD I'm sure I'd be outraged and say "mine! mine!". Life without my Battling Tops game is too scary to consider.

Haha definitely. That’s another misnomer about socialism. Socialism doesn’t mean no iPhone or no wealth. Socialism would abolish private property but would protect personal and public property. Famously, everyone knows the USSR didn’t have the same goods as us in the West did. This has more to do with Western sanctions and an inability to trade with other countries than it has to do with its politics at the time. Same can be said about Cuba right now.

The problem is, capitalism requires scarcity. Otherwise you couldn’t demand high prices for goods and low prices for labour, as is require to increase profits. This scarcity triggers desperation, selfishness, and envy, and hence the desire to horde and step on each other. When grocery stores throw away as much as 40% of food, is scarcity really natural? Or could it be that it is artificial in order to benefit certain people?

[pspeid]

Originally Posted by djforsberg

The problem is, capitalism requires scarcity. Otherwise you couldn’t demand high prices for goods and low prices for labour, as is require to increase profits.

Good point, and I would add the perception or expectation of scarcity. How often have oil prices skyrocketed because investors were afraid there "might" be a shortage based on international events, weather phenomenon or a worker in an oil refinery coming down with a cold?

[P&M40BELOW]

Originally Posted by djforsberg

I’m sorry but only one of us continues to act this way.



Dude, it’s happening. I’m not the only poster/person who sees it coming. Come visit Saskatchewan for a weekend, and I’ll show you it first hand.

Ronald Reagan: 'If Fascism Ever Comes to America, It Will Come in the Name of Liberalism' Truer words have rarely been said.

[djforsberg]

Originally Posted by pspeid

Good point, and I would add the perception or expectation of scarcity. How often have oil prices skyrocketed because investors were afraid there "might" be a shortage based on international events, weather phenomenon or a worker in an oil refinery coming down with a cold?

Yup. The stock market is a measure of the feelings of investors. Nothing more.

I read that article you shared. Even as an atheist, I can’t say I disagree with what Barber saying. Jesus would be considered a communist if he was alive today, after all. What is missing from the interview is something specific to unite people against white nationalism. He hinted at it with a critique on corporations. MLK didn’t beat around the bush and was quite adamant about his critique on capitalism specifically. This part of his legacy is suspiciously absent. It’s also likely why he was assassinated. Like MLK, I truly believe the best way to unite people is to forgo our cultural differences and align on economics. But as MLK suggested, the great threat to economic justice is the white moderate. If we can find a way to unite the Blue collar working class and White collar liberals, that is when we can achieve both social and economic justice.

[djforsberg]

Originally Posted by P&M40BELOW

Ronald Reagan: 'If Fascism Ever Comes to America, It Will Come in the Name of Liberalism' Truer words have rarely been said.

This might surprise you but I tend to agree. Liberals and socialists don't agree much on economic policy. However, Reagan helped pave the way to neoliberalism while Clinton solidified it with the “Third Way” which replaced much of the remaining social democratic policies left. Next on the chopping block: Medicare and social security. If federal Conservatives get back into power in Canada, they will take us in a similar direction though the Liberals aren't doing much in regards to economic justice. Manitobans shouldn’t forget what privatization and deregulation has done to your own province.

[BlackDog204]

[QUOTE=Luisito;9845480]

Nope your still acting the same way. You were asked to stop derailing the thread and you continue to do it.

Socialist have always been saying Canada is becoming fascist or already is. Anyone that doesn't agree with them is a fascist to them. It was like that when I was in school and i see they haven't changed at all They are still privliged people complaining about how hard it is here..... Guess what, we're still not fascist. If anything our society has moved to the left.

It's not happening in Manitoba. Sasketchewan is not representative of all Canadian society. Socialism has never worked and will never work. Socialism is just as much of threat as fascism. There are plenty examples of this.

For Canada as a whole, the country is obviously not in any danger of losing our democratic rights. However, it's of great concern what is happening in the United States, considering we often copy their social politics. I'm very concerned about the GOP, and the eradication of some women's rights, as well as the anti-Transgender backlash. Meanwhile, the income gap is continuing to widen. History tells us that if it gets too wide, political chaos will occur.

I see this in the UCP. The Premier Danielle Smith flirts with separating from Canada, and has some bats-hit insane ideas. It's got so bad here, that I am actually praying for an NDP election win this year- something that I ahve never done in my lifetime.

[djforsberg]

Originally Posted by BlackDog204

For Canada as a whole, the country is obviously not in any danger of losing our democratic rights. However, it's of great concern what is happening in the United States, considering we often copy their social politics. I'm very concerned about the GOP, and the eradication of some women's rights, as well as the anti-Transgender backlash. Meanwhile, the income gap is continuing to widen. History tells us that if it gets too wide, political chaos will occur.
I see this in the UCP. The Premier Danielle Smith flirts with separating from Canada, and has some bats-hit insane ideas. It's got so bad here, that I am actually praying for an NDP election win this year- something that I ahve never done in my lifetime.

The sad thing is the far right is able to use cultural grievances like the abortion, trans, and so-called “woke” stuff because they have nothing to offer much of their electorate in terms of economic policies and material needs, and nor does the alternative. A similar situation is happening in Canada. Except the right goes on about the carbon tax or Quebec or Trudeau. The Sask Party does it, the UCP does it, the federal Cons do it (PP is really ramping up his tired and boring rhetoric with this recent embarrassing rant), and I wouldn’t be surprised if the Manitoba PC’s are doing it (make no mistake though, Canadian conservatives consume American politics and the obsession about “wokeness” is here too). It’s always someone else’s fault and not at all the fault of their wealthy donors nor the economic system they seek to conserve. It’s why the left, in this case the Manitoba NDP, needs to focus on broad economic policies and ignore getting sucked into the culture war. Ensuring everyone has their material needs being met will take care of both social and economic justice.

[Hecate]

Originally Posted by djforsberg

The sad thing is the far right is able to use cultural grievances like the abortion, trans, and so-called “woke” stuff because they have nothing to offer much of their electorate in terms of economic policies and material needs, and nor does the alternative. A similar situation is happening in Canada. Except the right goes on about the carbon tax or Quebec or Trudeau. The Sask Party does it, the UCP does it, the federal Cons do it (PP is really ramping up his tired and boring rhetoric with this recent embarrassing rant), and I wouldn’t be surprised if the Manitoba PC’s are doing it (make no mistake though, Canadian conservatives consume American politics and the obsession about “wokeness” is here too). It’s always someone else’s fault and not at all the fault of their wealthy donors nor the economic system they seek to conserve. It’s why the left, in this case the Manitoba NDP, needs to focus on broad economic policies and ignore getting sucked into the culture war. Ensuring everyone has their material needs being met will take care of both social and economic justice.

Why does Pierre Poilievre telling the truth bother you so much? The most divisive prime minister this country has ever had is Justin Trudeau. When almost 70 churches were burned and vandalized across the country last year, Trudeau didn’t call out those people as a fringe minority. He sympathized with them. Every Catholic Church across this country was in fear. He didn’t give a fuck about them, but imagine they were burning mosques? Trudeau would never have shut up about it. A few truckers protest their right to work and they’re all “Nazi terrorist uneducated hick kkkonservative racist wife beaters who are Trying to overthrow the government” imagine controlling the narrative like that. You had a federal government allowing vaccinated people, who were 100% responsible for spreading and bringing variants into the country by travelling internationally for pleasure, but you’re denying unvaccinated truckers from crossing the border for work, because they might spread the virus. If you cannot see how stupid that is, god help us all. But you go on spreading your own brand of hate and divisiveness based on your illusion of inclusion. Also… Why do spend so much time in the Manitoba politics page… Worry about your own province before bringing your shit agenda to mine.

[Luisito]

[QUOTE=BlackDog204;9845779]

Originally Posted by Luisito

For Canada as a whole, the country is obviously not in any danger of losing our democratic rights. However, it's of great concern what is happening in the United States, considering we often copy their social politics. I'm very concerned about the GOP, and the eradication of some women's rights, as well as the anti-Transgender backlash. Meanwhile, the income gap is continuing to widen. History tells us that if it gets too wide, political chaos will occur.

I see this in the UCP. The Premier Danielle Smith flirts with separating from Canada, and has some bats-hit insane ideas. It's got so bad here, that I am actually praying for an NDP election win this year- something that I ahve never done in my lifetime.

The left is just as guilty of causing division in the US. I agree we should avoid copying any political trends that come from the US. wether it be leftist or right wing ideas. There won't be any kind of civil war in the US though. You mentioned that earlier, not sure if you were joking or not but that won't happen. Maybe some civil unrest but now civil war. The right has all the guns, the left is more concerned about being gender neutral. Wouldn't be much of a fight.

Anyways these thread has been derailed enough.

[djforsberg]

Originally Posted by Hecate

Why does Pierre Poilievre telling the truth bother you so much? The most divisive prime minister this country has ever had is Justin Trudeau. When almost 70 churches were burned and vandalized across the country last year, Trudeau didn’t call out those people as a fringe minority. He sympathized with them. Every Catholic Church across this country was in fear. He didn’t give a fuck about them, but imagine they were burning mosques? Trudeau would never have shut up about it. A few truckers protest their right to work and they’re all “Nazi terrorist uneducated hick kkkonservative racist wife beaters who are Trying to overthrow the government” imagine controlling the narrative like that. You had a federal government allowing vaccinated people, who were 100% responsible for spreading and bringing variants into the country by travelling internationally for pleasure, but you’re denying unvaccinated truckers from crossing the border for work, because they might spread the virus. If you cannot see how stupid that is, god help us all. But you go on spreading your own brand of hate and divisiveness based on your illusion of inclusion. Also… Why do spend so much time in the Manitoba politics page… Worry about your own province before bringing your shit agenda to mine.

Haha as a PP fan, it doesn’t surprise me you are xenophobic. I can post wherever I want. People from all over Canada post in the Sask threads. I mostly started posting because of what I felt were unfair and irrelevant grievances towards Kinew. The same can be said about the Trudeau-obsessed PP rant I posted. He’s going off on the SNC-Lavelin and black face stuff but we already had an election since then (how many elections since the carbon tax was brought in?). He then pointed out the airline problems, which are a valid concern, but he fails to get to the root of the problem (monopolization and corporate greed at the airlines), and again, blames Trudeau for something that is happening in other countries (see Southwest Airlines in the US). Same goes for inflation. I’m no fan of Trudeau, and I don’t fully agree with his pandemic policies, but man, enough of the “telling the truth” and more of coming up with actual solutions. Voting out Trudeau is not a solution.

Another thing PP has been going on about is drug abuse, homelessness, and crime, and surprise he is talking about “getting tough on crime”. I know Manitoba has a problem with these issues but do you know what won’t solve them? Tougher sentencing, stricter bail, and more cops. Do you know what will? When people’s material needs are met. Until economic conditions improve for people, none of this stuff will improve. Keep that in mind when voting this year.

Edit: when it comes to the churches burning, I’m not sure what to tell you. Trudeau is Catholic I think and I doubt he was celebrating the burning of them. To equate his silence on that as him sympathizing with the people who committed those crimes is a stretch. I will agree he focuses a bit too much on pushing interests based on identity to appeal to his base but every party does that, especially the Conservatives as evidenced by PP’s video.

[Hecate]

You’re labeling me as xenophobic now. Lol. Yup keep the divisive labels coming. You want to talk about wab kinew? I wonder how his ex girlfriend he dragged down the hall by her hair feels every time he’s on the news. Or the East Indian cab driver that he beat the shit out of, I wonder how he feels seeing his assaulter sitting so high up. Or I remember the reporter asking about his homophobic comments, and wab telling him he could buy his book and read his apology in there. What a shit human being, That’s what I think. Am i being unfair. Wab kinew worked as a correspondent for the cbc during the crisis in attiwapiskat. He openly mocked the children of that community on Twitter. Laughing about their horrible living conditions. He’s a wolf in sheep’s clothing, just like Trudeau.

[djforsberg]

Originally Posted by Hecate

You’re labeling me as xenophobic now. Lol. Yup keep the divisive labels coming. You want to talk about wab kinew? I wonder how his ex girlfriend he dragged down the hall by her hair feels every time he’s on the news. Or the East Indian cab driver that he beat the shit out of, I wonder how he feels seeing his assaulter sitting so high up. Or I remember the reporter asking about his homophobic comments, and wab telling him he could buy his book and read his apology in there. What a shit human being, That’s what I think. Am i being unfair. Wab kinew worked as a correspondent for the cbc during the crisis in attiwapiskat. He openly mocked the children of that community on Twitter. Laughing about their horrible living conditions. He’s a wolf in sheep’s clothing, just like Trudeau.

I mean, I feel like everyone knows this about Kinew already

About the xenophobia comment, I’m just “telling it how it is”. Tell me: are you a fan of any sports teams outside of Manitoba?

[pspeid]

A nice article about "demonizing" people. Though it dates back to 1996, from what I've read here it is incredibly relevant to the current discourse.

https://www.scu.edu/government-ethic...our-opponents/