Saskatoon Construction

[Migs]

Originally Posted by midnightrambler

I think that this province would have no trouble supporting two teams.

I never went to a game last year because I didn't want or have the desire to blow 500 bucks on a ticket, booze, hotel room, meals... in Regina... Let's face it, most of the people that attend games in Regina are from the Southern areas of the province and places like Moose Jaw, Estevan and Swift Current, as well as, say maybe 10% of fans from Saskatoon and north. I think Saskatoon would be able to have a team on its own, if the Roughriders get less attendence so be it. But I think it might work the other way where you see people from Saskatoon make the trip to see the rivalry. You could market that in a way that would be unbelievable. I mean I like going to rider games, but I can only do it once a year with time constraints and such. If a team was in my own backyard it would be more likely... hell I bet if Saskatoon had their own CFL team you would see season ticket holders in the 15-20,000 range whether we draw from Battleford, Prince Albert, etc...

Hopson is wrong, the Roughriders do not have the support of the whole province. Many Saskatoonians have been looking for an excuse to cheer for another team for years. I am frankly getting deathly sick of all the Sasktel commercials. The Roughriders are a Regina centric team, they will always be. I can imagine a league in 10 years where the football games between the Regina and Saskatoon are so intense and overcrowded with people that they'll need to be thinking of adding seats instead of worrying about a loss of revenue.

On another note, I have found that it is just as easy to drive from Saskatoon to Edmonton to watch a football game as it is to drive to Regina, you still have to stay over night, the drive is a tad longer, and you don't ever have to worry about getting those crappy seats in taylor field's endzone on labor day.

On another note, lets build a fricken dome and do it right.

So I would assume you have no problem if we change the name back to Regina Roughriders??

[midnightrambler]

Originally Posted by Migs

So I would assume you have no problem if we change the name back to Regina Roughriders??

Heh, you see, there is a branding problem there. I think you could keep the name Saskatchewan Roughriders, the Logo, and the name has such a longtime history.

Saskatoon on the other hand could explore opportunities in naming a team. It doesn't have to be Saskatoon ________. It could be Bridge City ______. Or Hub City_______. I think it would be cool to name a team with two nicknames. One a nickname for the city, second for the team.

But obviously I am thinking way to far ahead here....

[midnightrambler]

On another note, I was wondering who the group thinking of building a Stadium here is. I imagine that they will desire contributions from the city and the province, but will kick in their fair share as well.

I have a feeling its Potash Corp.

[Ruckus]

Originally Posted by CCF

Sorry, I'm not laughing at you. Didn't meant to be rude, but I can see I probably came across that way.

It's just that, that was a pretty good job of spinning things. Ever thought of a career in politics!?

Fair enough, apology accepted.

A career in politics...possibly, but doubtful. I would first like to know what I can accomplish internally, then perhaps after establishing myself I'll attempt to court the public...never say never

[Ruckus]

Originally Posted by midnightrambler

On another note, I was wondering who the group thinking of building a Stadium here is. I imagine that they will desire contributions from the city and the province, but will kick in their fair share as well.

I have a feeling its Potash Corp.

The articles mention a group of businessmen which had me thinking it was a group of Alberta oil execs or those affiliated with the oil and gas industry ($$$), but I suppose Potash Corp would kick some cash in, they do have their name on U of S's Griffith Stadium.

[Migs]

Originally Posted by midnightrambler

On another note, I was wondering who the group thinking of building a Stadium here is. I imagine that they will desire contributions from the city and the province, but will kick in their fair share as well.

I have a feeling its Potash Corp.

I highly doubt that Potash Corp would put their name on a stadium that doesnt' have a tenant.

[macca]

Does this really need to be discussed in two separate threads?

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Originally Posted by macca

Does this really need to be discussed in two separate threads?

I think some posters were trying to escape the other thread...we are dealing with deeply entrenched beliefs, the road ahead is a rough one.

But your right, keep conversation together neatly. A much better arrangement if any of us choose to do research or reflect upon this matter in the future.

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Development news....

Millions will fast-track vaccines
U of S expecting federal research funds
Lana Haight, The StarPhoenix
Published: Friday, February 15, 2008

The University of Saskatchewan is in line for almost $15 million in federal money to fast-track the development of life-saving vaccines.

"We really want to fill a gap," said Andy Potter, director of the university's Vaccine and Infectious Disease Organization (VIDO)/InterVac.

Between $80 million and $100 million is spent each year in Canada researching potential vaccines, yet the money doesn't result in the production of a lot of new vaccines.

"Vaccine research is expensive and a high-risk area," said Potter.

VIDO is taking the lead in setting up a new national non-profit research corporation called the Pan-Provincial Vaccine Enterprise (PREVENT) designed to bridge the gap that exists between the country's university laboratories and the commercial development of vaccines.

The U of S was one of 25 organizations to submit proposals that were considered by the federal government to receive funding as a National Centre of Excellence for Commercialization and Research. On Thursday, the government announced 11 organizations that will each receive $14.95 million over five years.

"This represents a very, very strong judgment on the part of the peer-reviewing authorities that this centre does outstanding work and is the logical place to locate a centre that is specializing in vaccines," said U of S president Peter MacKinnon.

"This is a very important development not only for VIDO/InterVac, but is an illustration of the great strength existing in potential at this university. It's a very positive development," he said.

The new vaccine research corporation will receive an additional $10.5 million over five years in in-kind support from the U of S as well as two partners: The Canadian Centre for Vaccinology, based in Halifax, N.S., and the B.C. Centre for Disease Control. The in-kind support will include providing research and office space as well as support services.

At the top of the new organization's agenda is to seek input from public health experts to determine which new vaccines are needed to deal with disease in Canada, said Potter, the interim CEO of the corporation.

The list of possibilities is long: Pandemic influenza, whooping cough, measles, chlamydia, "mad cow" disease and severe diarrheal diseases.

Currently, about a couple of dozen vaccines have been developed in labs, but they haven't gotten past the initial research stage.

"We will evaluate a whole bunch of them. There has to be a market for it from the public health system and there has to be a desire by industry to produce it," said Potter.

"We're not interested in competing with industry. If there's something they're doing right now and they're doing well, we're not going to get involved in that space at all."

Potter says the new research organization will drive Canada's vaccine research agenda. Canada is, and always has been, a world leader in vaccine development, but there's a problem.

"The research is very fragmented. There's lots of little (research projects) all over the place. I would hope that PREVENT might be able to help draw some of these together because if we keep on working as individual little units, as a country, I don't think we're going to go very far," he said.

Once it's determined which vaccines ought to be developed, PREVENT will oversee early research and initial clinical trials to prove that a product is safe and to show that it works in a controlled setting.

"We want to help industry by making the proposition of making a vaccine a lot less risky and a lot less expensive," said Potter.

The first instalment of federal money should be received as early as next month, says Potter.

At least 12 people will be hired to run the new organization and to conduct research in Saskatoon. Not all of the money will stay in the city, though, as organizations in other parts of Canada are better suited for some of the work that will be needed, says Potter.

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[Stephen LaRose]

Originally Posted by midnightrambler

I think that this province would have no trouble supporting two teams.

I never went to a game last year because I didn't want or have the desire to blow 500 bucks on a ticket, booze, hotel room, meals... in Regina... Let's face it, most of the people that attend games in Regina are from the Southern areas of the province and places like Moose Jaw, Estevan and Swift Current, as well as, say maybe 10% of fans from Saskatoon and north. I think Saskatoon would be able to have a team on its own, if the Roughriders get less attendence so be it. But I think it might work the other way where you see people from Saskatoon make the trip to see the rivalry. You could market that in a way that would be unbelievable. I mean I like going to rider games, but I can only do it once a year with time constraints and such. If a team was in my own backyard it would be more likely... hell I bet if Saskatoon had their own CFL team you would see season ticket holders in the 15-20,000 range whether we draw from Battleford, Prince Albert, etc...

Hopson is wrong, the Roughriders do not have the support of the whole province. Many Saskatoonians have been looking for an excuse to cheer for another team for years. I am frankly getting deathly sick of all the Sasktel commercials. The Roughriders are a Regina centric team, they will always be. I can imagine a league in 10 years where the football games between the Regina and Saskatoon are so intense and overcrowded with people that they'll need to be thinking of adding seats instead of worrying about a loss of revenue.

On another note, I have found that it is just as easy to drive from Saskatoon to Edmonton to watch a football game as it is to drive to Regina, you still have to stay over night, the drive is a tad longer, and you don't ever have to worry about getting those crappy seats in taylor field's endzone on labor day.

On another note, lets build a fricken dome and do it right.

From reading your statement, I don't think you're much of a football fan at all. you sound like a person who is looking for an excuse not to support a team or go to the games.

As any Rider fan can tell you, there's a lot more heartbreak that celebration when it comes to cheering on your favourite team. What ends up happening is that after two or three years of losses, the casual fan drift away. And in the CFL, what happens is that the owners usually get short arms -- can't reach their wallets -- and the franchise gets into serious financial trouble.

This is why there are a lot of dreamers when it comes to running pro sports in Canada, but as soon as some real work comes, the people suddenly get cold feet. Unless you're something like the NHL -- and until the Canadian dollar reached par -- the high cost (especially compared to the financial return) make it prohibitive. Smart money doesn't get involved in pro sports franchises.

[midnightrambler]

Originally Posted by Stephen LaRose

From reading your statement, I don't think you're much of a football fan at all. you sound like a person who is looking for an excuse not to support a team or go to the games.

As any Rider fan can tell you, there's a lot more heartbreak that celebration when it comes to cheering on your favourite team. What ends up happening is that after two or three years of losses, the casual fan drift away. And in the CFL, what happens is that the owners usually get short arms -- can't reach their wallets -- and the franchise gets into serious financial trouble.

This is why there are a lot of dreamers when it comes to running pro sports in Canada, but as soon as some real work comes, the people suddenly get cold feet. Unless you're something like the NHL -- and until the Canadian dollar reached par -- the high cost (especially compared to the financial return) make it prohibitive. Smart money doesn't get involved in pro sports franchises.

Dude, I'm done talking about this on this thread.

[Ruckus]

^ Rider fans

A friendly request to those who hail from Riderville, errr, I mean Regina, please take the CFL discussion to the other thread.

Thanks in advance.

[Echoes]

Let's get this discussion back on track with what this thread is meant for.

This is from Thursday's SP and I think it's worth posting and discussing:

Saskatoon strives to define identity
Gerry Klein, The StarPhoenix
Published: Thursday, February 14, 2008

When the committee being established to consider ideas for Saskatoon's destination centre in River Landing begins its work in a month or so, its task will be considerable.

Senior civic officials are brainstorming names for the committee, which council approved last month. Once it is composed, the committee will have about four months to come up with proposals on what sort of facility to construct between the Persephone Theatre and the river.

With this facility rest the hopes of citizens who have believed for a generation that whatever is built on the site should be an identifying edifice -- a structure that not only will feel like home to Saskatoon residents but one that visitors from away will take home in their imaginations.

This is a tall order, particularly since Saskatoon never has been able to identify itself.

To some, the South Saskatchewan River defines the city. To be sure, it is a beautiful amenity, particularly for a prairie city.

Others see in Saskatoon the remnants of early European settlement -- the bricks and facades that speak to the boom era when, all in less than a decade the city grew to a miniature Chicago from a handful of huts and the occasional tent.

Some see Saskatoon as the embodiment of the entrepreneurial spirit -- the place that demanded the rails to meet here and where the people picked themselves up and carried on after the drought and economic stagnation of the 1930s.

And there are those who, when they consider Saskatoon, think of a beacon for the future: Home to Canada's premier scientific research facility, two of the world's largest mining enterprises and neighbourhoods that are spreading so fast that contractors have trouble getting in services and putting up buildings fast enough to meet the demand.

But my vision of Saskatoon comes from a conversation I had with Ernie Walker.

Walker, now an internationally renowned archeologist and expert in forensic science, grew up on Avenue I South. He told me once that when he travels in his old neighbourhood of the alphabet blocks, he doesn't just go north, south, east and west, but that he travels through time, as well.

The incline beneath Bedford Road Collegiate, the rise south of St. Paul's Hospital and along 11th Street near the old Mitchell plant aren't just hills to Walker. They are the former banks of the river.

And the Saskatoon terrace isn't just a flat piece of real estate; it's the body of an ancient lake that drained some 12,000 years ago, a lake that had shores along which people -- Saskatoon's first residents -- camped, hunted, lived and loved.

I talked about this again Wednesday with Walker, who'd just returned from the University of Saskatchewan archives, where he was going through packages assembled by former university president John Spinks.

When Spinks was a young man in the 1930s, he had an abiding interest in archeology. He would wander the fields of what is now Broadway, near the Avalon shopping centre, and on Lorne Avenue south of the city, collecting artifacts of the people who preceded the Europeans.

Walker told me Saskatoon is built on these artifacts -- Clovis points dating to the end of the last ice age to stones that had heated and cracked while processing bison meat.

Although this part of Saskatoon's heritage is its deepest and richest, it is all but unknown to most residents. Not only is it easier to dig out basements through the remnants of those who passed before us, we name streets for newcomers and neighbourhoods that evoke images of distant, often fictional places such as Hampton Village, Willowgrove and Stonebridge.

Walker is quick to point out, however, that Saskatoon has something shared by few other major prairie cities: a Native name.

"People in the States like to roll it over their tongues," he said. "Then they tell me, 'What a beautiful name -- Native isn't it?' although they have no idea what it means."

The Americans aren't the only ones who don't know what the name means. Although most people living in Saskatoon will be able to describe the fruit for which the city is named and many will even trace its etymology to the Cree word for a berry that grows near running waters, almost none of us really knows for what the name stands.

Phil Richards, Saskatoon's top bureaucrat, also walks through time when he travels along River Landing, except that he sees the future rather than the past.

"It's hard to identify now because of the construction, but this will be a place where people will want to be," he said Wednesday.

I suspect that for Richards, who has put more heart and soul into this multifaceted project than any other person alive, the past represents lost opportunities while the future is for possibilities.

He wants a destination centre that is vibrant, with rotating displays -- perhaps with Joni Mitchell themes displaying Saskatoon's incredibly rich culture that spans the literary to the visual to the musical. It could serve as a place where the Mendel could have major shows, the U of S could display its expertise and Meewasin, Tourism Saskatoon and the library could highlight themselves.

It could centre on a giant indoor fireplace that's welcoming in the winter and at night, and perhaps feature an observation deck to showcase the river.

Richards is helping to put together the committee that will be charged with formulating a vision that ties together the vast aspects of this city with what is possible.

We all must wish its yet-to-be-determined members good luck.


© The StarPhoenix (Saskatoon) 2008

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I always enjoy reading Gerry Klein's columns. The civic issues he discusses are often relevant to what we discuss here on SSP.

There has already been a good deal of discussion on this thread about River Landing's future destination complex (as there should be). As the committee responsible for proposals gets underway, there will be a great deal more discussion and debate on this forum and in the city as a whole in the months to come.

There have already been ideas thrown around for this portion of River Landing: a new home for the Mendel or the library, a cultural centre honoring Joni Mitchell and other Saskatoon artists, an observation tower or a First Nations museum. It seems to me that Mr. Klein is alluding to the possibility (and desirability) of a First Nations museum (or something similar to that) in this column by stressing our rich native heritage as an integral part of our identity.

So, what would be suitable for this destination centre? What can we build here that will help solidify a true Saskatoon identity? What will ignite the pride of residents and wow visitors? Can anything that we are capable of building accomplish any of that?

And, perhaps most importantly, how big do we want to go with this? How much do we want to dream and then follow through to make that dream a reality?

And no, let's not discuss a football stadium as a possibility! The parcel of land isn't nearly large enough anyways.

On a closing note, I am glad that Mr. Klein pointed out how the generic names of our suburban neighborhoods do little or nothing to reflect our culture, heritage and identity. Personally, I would love to see new neighborhoods with names from First Nations origins.

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City coming after land owners with unpaid taxes
TheStarPhoenix.com
Published: Friday, February 15, 2008

The City of Saskatoon is getting ready to go after local land owners who haven't made good on their tax bills.

A total of 139 owners have ignored administrators' efforts to collect more than $660,000 in outstanding property taxes from them, despite offers to work out a reasonable payment schedule, according to a report on its way before city council Tuesday night.

Corporate services manager Marlys Bilanski said the total amount is slightly less than the city is usually owed at this time of year, "so we're in pretty good shape, actually."

The city is now in a position to start the months-long process of taking over the titles of those properties from their owners. The process involves an application to the provincial mediation board, which may put the proceedings on hold if the taxpayer meets certain conditions.

Most of the tax arrears listed in the report relate to single-family homes, but the list also includes an office building, two warehouses, three lowrise condo buildings, two bare plots of land slated for condos, four undeveloped residential lots and two townhouses.

The single largest outstanding bill comes to $29,157, and applies to an undeveloped residential lot.

The Barry Hotel in Riversdale is not included on the list of properties for which the city intends to seek title, although the city did register liens against it for unpaid taxes in 2006 and 2007.

That's because the current owner has been making periodic payments towards the outstanding bill, Bilanski explained.

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These are encouraging results, I'm all for fewer single occupancy vehicles.

I believe it was City Transit Manager Jeff Balon on CTV recently who stated that the city is looking towards larger employment centers and signing companies/industries on with a similar arrangement as the U-Pass program.

I have 10 trips a week by transit (to school), now if only they had decent service on weekends to the North Industrial area then I could use transit for work too!

[richmond]

I always find it strange that a First Nations museum & Joni Mitchell always came up for the Destination Complex at River Landing.

We already have Wansukewin & it has trouble attracting visitors. Hopefully the ongoing renos & organizational changes helps make that more of a tourist draw. Why would we make something that competes for that?!?!

As for Joni ... she lived here for a handful of years. I don't get the attraction. She hit it big once leaving here. I think it's a stretch to show her connections to this city. Let the Mendel develop their cafe after her & be done with it!

How about some people places down at River Landing? I, for one, would love to have a beer & see the river at the same time.

[shmakim]

I have to say I appreciate the idea of installing a museum at RL, although nothing so narrowly themed as Joni Mitchell, or First Nations, for that matter. How about a museum that not only showcases many facets of Saskatoon's origins and past (although I bristled at the mention in that S-P article about the remnants of a European settlement... gimme a break), perhaps including geological origins, native settlements, European colonization, booms, busts, and future. BUT, make the museum displays themselves captivating to look at. I don't mean Disney-style animatronics, but something that the most adored museums worldwide are doing now to make their displays come to life and attract visitors not only for the content, but the sheer beauty of the presentation as well.

A museum that showcases _all_ of Saskatoon's past, as well as a statement of the present at the moment the museum was built (perhaps some fleeting statements that could easily become dated soon after, intentionally), and an investigation of what our future holds for us. I like the idea of a museum that attracts people because of the history and commentary on Saskatoon itself, but also through a medium that's so cool and fascinating to watch, that people will visit for the delivery as much as the content.

I'm describing a fantasy museum... it's anybody's guess what it would cost to make it become reality.

[richmond]

The science centre in Regina comes close with a few displays. EMP in Seattle (sometimes mentioned as an example of what a Joni Mitchell museum could be) is another. The trick with a museum is changing it often enough so that you get repeat visitors.

I think I'm in the minority, but I don't mind Sask Place's location. At one time the Exhibition was thinking of moving out there, which actually would've freed up a lot of land near the river. My fear of a downtown sports facility is that it would be surrounded by a sea of parking. In SK, I think we all think it's our God given right to have free parking ... right at the front door. I don't think we could do like Vancouver & GM Place & rely on public transit. We're just not yet wired that way.

[shmakim]

Originally Posted by richmond

The science centre in Regina comes close with a few displays. EMP in Seattle (sometimes mentioned as an example of what a Joni Mitchell museum could be) is another. The trick with a museum is changing it often enough so that you get repeat visitors.

Funny you should mention the science centre, cause I didn't mention it in my first post, but I was thinking a cross between a museum and a science centre would be a nice approach. I'd like a display that combines the interactivity and fascination level of a science centre, but presents material about Saskatoon's history. Hey, part of it _can_ be a science centre, if we're talking about the resources industry.

And always a good idea to work into the design of the museum the possibility (and budget) to easily rework the displays.

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Designing spaces
City wants old pumphouse used as riverfront attraction
Darren Bernhardt, The StarPhoenix
Published: Tuesday, February 19, 2008

Right now it resembles an abandoned war bunker -- a snarl of cast-iron pipes and concrete walls in dank rooms filled with rusted machinery.

But within a year the old A.L. Cole pumphouse could be one of the most prominent features of River Landing. Taking advantage of its vista of the South Saskatchewan River and prime location along the pedestrian path, the city wants to see the building transformed into a unique attraction with rooftop viewing platforms.

While the ultimate use of the facility depends on what types of proposals come from the private sector, the idea is to incorporate the site's history, said Chris Dekker, the manager of special projects for the City of Saskatoon.



"It is the last remnant of our industrial past," he said. "This is an opportunity to save that while moving into the future with this whole development of the riverfront. We want to find a way to bring those things together, so we're going to be looking for an operator with the same vision."

The pumphouse is the only surviving piece of the Saskatoon Power Plant, eventually renamed the A.L. Cole Generating Station in 1954, which provided electricity to the city and surrounding area from 1911 until it was decommissioned in 1983 and demolished in 1995.

"We see it as something that can be pragmatic, like a concession and washroom facility, and also be interpretive," said Dekker, who imagines it as a one-of-a-kind cafe or restaurant designed around the existing industrial infrastructure. The opportunity is there to exhibit machinery and explain how it worked while comparing it to modern and alternative power production. People can also learn about the role the river water played in cooling the generators, Dekker said.

The area backshore, where the powerplant once stood, could be used to display self-guided interpretive features that already exist in that historical sector.

There is a cobblestone outline where Immigration Hall once welcomed newcomers and served as a temporary residence until they found homes of their own. The cobblestone is part of the original 19th Street, salvaged during the ongoing redevelopment of that roadway.

In 1903, 1,500 Barr colonists camped on the site just south of that site, where the powerplant would later be built.

The pumphouse is comprised of three separate but linked structures: The original 1911 tower and expansions in 1929 and 1954. Each of the two additions are the size of a suburban bungalow. They are separated by a two-foot-thick concrete wall, but there is access between them by way of a large cutout entranceway.

The tower is the only part that can't be used. It is solid and will remain as the pumphouse crown, but it is impractical, like trying to make something functional out of an elevator shaft. But Dekker thinks it could be sealed off with Plexiglas and viewed by the public. It is linked to the main building through a tunnel, which adds an intriguing dynamic.

There are large, metal-cased filter systems and tanks, massive valve wheels and metal floor grates covering cavernous wells. Some items might be removed to open lobby space, and the floor grates would have to be sealed for safety, but many components could be worked into the design.

Large windows, bricked-over long ago, will be replaced to let the sun back in and provide commanding views. A deep well girdled by a cement ridge is situated outside a south-facing wall, overlooking the river. It could be covered over and made into a breathtaking deck, suggested Dekker.

The potential is great, but covered in grime and age and coloured by neglect. Literally. A few walls and some machinery are marked by graffiti images and signatures, left by those who found shelter in the pumphouse when no one else even noticed it was there.

"There's a lot of invasive growth of trees and shrubs that kind of obscure it from view," said Dekker.

Other than the top of the tower, the entire pumphouse is built into the riverbank and below the backshore grade of land. Only river path users would see it in passing, but even then it is a boarded-up blight that likely wouldn't catch many eyes.

"But if you can step back and you can see all kinds of possibilities," said Dekker.

For instance, because of the low-set profile of the building, the public can walk right onto the rooftop from the backshore -- making it an ideal viewing platform.

Interest has come from some out-of-province entrepreneurs but at this point it takes someone with imagination, Dekker admitted. Once the building is prepped and ready for showing it will be easier to attract prospective lessees. The city does not plan to sell the property.

It is up to the city to help polish that vision. Work will begin in spring with the clean-up and removal of hazardous materials, replacing the roof and installing guardrails, blasting clean the brickwork, installing windows, and connecting utilities for sewer, water, heat and electricity.

Dekker expects that to be done by fall and have an operator running the place sometime in 2009.

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I was listening to John Gormley this morning and one of his first callers was Larry Bozek, the prospective buyer of the Barry Hotel. Mr. Bozek called in to comment on this article and commend Chris Dekker on what he sees as a great idea for River Landing.

He then went on to say that the vision Dekker has for the old pumphouse is similar to his own vision for the Barry. Bozek sees the old hotel as potentially being very much a part of R.L. and the revitalization of Riversdale.

But, can the Barry Hotel really contribute to River Landing and renewal in the area when Bozek plans to keep the seedy bar open? If positive change is what he does have in mind for the hotel, what unsaid plans does he have for the Barry? Or is this just an attempt by him to win sympathy for his plight: a plan to keep the infamous Barry bar open and Riversdale's proponents fighting an uphill battle?