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Old Posted Feb 28, 2019, 11:18 PM
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The RFP for the Redevelopment of LeBreton Flats (2015-2019) is officially dead... will probably start a new thread next week when the details on the new process are released.
https://twitter.com/NCC_CCN/status/1101256632141524993

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Old Posted Mar 1, 2019, 1:23 AM
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NCC cancels LeBreton deal but may salvage planning work in new process

Kelly Egan, Ottawa Citizen
Updated: February 28, 2019


The National Capital Commission has officially cancelled the RendezVous LeBreton deal to bring an NHL arena downtown, but hopes to salvage some of the planning work in a new process to be finalized next month.

After a conference call with 15 board members Thursday afternoon, the NCC agreed to firm up its next steps at another telephone meeting March 7.

“The Board made clear its desire that the new process incorporate lessons learned from the previous Request for Proposals and that it build upon and update the planning work that has been done by the NCC to date,” said a statement released Thursday evening.

“Important to the success of the new approach will be community and public engagement, Algonquin consultation and collaboration with the City of Ottawa as well as private sector partners.”

The RendezVous Group had worked on its $4-billion proposal for about four years, spent more than $4 million and submitted a number of applications to city hall for official plan and zoning changes.

It is apparent the NCC does not want to see the work go to waste, as it laid the groundwork for transforming a neighbourhood, build about 4,000 housing units and incorporate offices, retail, outdoor concert spaces and a hotel.

A last-ditch mediation effort to save RendezVous, led by retired judge Warren Winkler, had a Feb. 28 deadline but the NCC announced Wednesday that a settlement could not be reached.

It is a huge disappointment for the NCC, which began an elaborate process in 2014 to finally settle on a vision and private-sector builder for 55 acres of land that have sat largely dormant for 50 years.

Outgoing chief executive Mark Kristmanson, after his final board meeting in January, said the NCC had prepared “a viable alternative approach” though he wouldn’t provide specifics.

“I think the original proposal has great merit with respect to everything from affordable housing to connectivity to sustainable design to introducing more public space.”

In November and December — when the NCC was expecting a finalized agreement — the partnership between team owner Eugene Melnyk and Trinity Development Group chairman John Ruddy erupted in dramatic fashion with the launching of $1.7 billion in damage claims and counterclaims.

The NCC signalled on Dec. 19 that the five-year planning process was over. However, project consultant Graham Bird, a key member of the Ruddy team, announced that Winkler had been retained in an 11th-hour effort to patch over differences and find an agreement by Jan. 19, a deadline that was extended to the end of February.

Though much of the public attention has focused on Melnyk, Ruddy and Bird, there are at least a couple of dozen smaller players in the RendezVous group.

Among the most important is Abilities Centre Ottawa, which was hoping to build a $45-million facility above a Sensplex near the planned arena. Modelled after one in Whitby, Ont., it consists of 125,000 square feet of athletic and therapy space, with an emphasis on those with disabilities. In addition to a six-lane track and three interior courts, there would be special weight and activity rooms with adaptable equipment.

Board chairman Emily Glossop said she was disappointed by the collapse of the RendezVous deal.

“We are disappointed in what happened, but we’re not ones to give up,” she said Thursday.

She said the organization has built “fabulous” relationships with community partners and was particularly grateful to Bird and his company GBA, for their support. In return, however, she felt the whole RendezVous plan had been improved by putting plans through “an accessibility lens.”

Though she wouldn’t name alternate locations under review, Glossop said the organization will now turn its attention to finding the right site, the best partners and the shape of a capital fundraising campaign.

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local...in-new-process
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Old Posted Mar 1, 2019, 2:16 AM
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My guess is that the NCC will parcel the property out into smaller blocks. It could be based on the latest negotiated layout to save time, with public consultation, but not starting from scratch

They will get a lot more interest (easier to finance) and can develop incrementally instead of having one consortium in charge for decades.
That's what I'm hoping. Buy the plans from Trinity, make a few changes, save some space for some public use (green-space, future museum, market, etc.) and start parceling out the land, maybe based on the neighborhoods identified by RVL. They can hopefully save the spot for the arena for when the Senators have a stable owner.

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Those entities typically come in as financing partners. I don't think that they often lead developments.
Oxford Properties, Cadillac Fairview and Invanhoé Cambridge, some of the biggest developers in Canada, are owned by pension funds.

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If LeBreton had been developed sooner we would have gotten something like Confederation Heights or Tunneys 2.

So I'm not sure it's really a bad thing LeBreton has taken a long time to get done.

Anyone saying the NCC are to blame for not building on the flats must surely mean the Federal government is to blame for not spending billions on putting a Departmental campus on the flats as that was the plan for decades. This is the legacy of a pull back on Gerber spending and probably Trudeau's cuts to the military post 1970s War Measures act and official defense plan update to make the Canadian Forces primary mission about domestic national security and not fighting wars. Which had many toxic effects over the years.
That's a good point we just never consider when criticizing the Feds and NCC. If they had redeveloped the entire property, we would just have another car oriented office campus and the downtown would have been left hollow (with a large swath of office space built in the CBD being deviated to the Flats). And the bit that was re-developed, those townhouses north of Albert/Scott and Claridge Land, looks terrible.
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Old Posted Mar 1, 2019, 2:58 AM
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I know on this I'm in the minority- but I would have been completely ok if the flats had been developed as the Canadian pentagon if it was a well designed and executed campus.

It even has a moat for landscape design.

https://i.imgur.com/ax3Oq4R.jpg

Historically probably would have had to have happened during the St. Laurent government when the economy was roar post WW2, Canada was an enthusiastic member of NATO and defence spending was booming in part due to the legacy of the military industrial complex created during the Second World War. Canada's role in the world was expanding considerably due to our role in the post-war order. Example: Canada & the Korean War, Suez Crisis, etc.

One of the legacies of this is we might have fewer buildings in the core, but higher quality ones. As DND never had a consolidated home and was thus stuffed in many cheap and ugly boxes around the city, constantly being shuffled around as various bureaucracies grew meant more quick and dirty office space.
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Old Posted Mar 1, 2019, 12:14 PM
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If we go with the parceling out of the land though, what will that mean for covering a portion of the confederation line? Does that mean that's out of the question in that case?

Frankly I thought that was one of the best aspects of the Rendezvous plan. I'd hate to lose it.
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Old Posted Mar 1, 2019, 12:42 PM
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The damage done by RendezVous LeBreton's failure

James Bagnall, Ottawa Citizen
Updated: March 1, 2019


When a partnership as consequential as RendezVous LeBreton blows up, as it did Wednesday, the knock-on effects are many. No matter how the National Capital Commission proceeds from here, key players in the city will be paying for this failure for years to come.

Let’s start with reputations.

With their failure to come to terms after six weeks of mediation, Trinity Development founder John Ruddy and Ottawa Senators owner Eugene Melnyk not only dismissed a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to be part of something special, they tarnished their own brands along the way. No matter who was primarily responsible for the rupture, they were equal partners in a venture that aimed to invest $4 billion over the next two decades in the last large remaining chunk of land near the Parliament Buildings.

From the moment the NCC picked them for this epic job, Ruddy and Melnyk had nearly three years to work out a formula for sharing hundreds of millions of dollars in potential profits. And they failed.

The NCC and City of Ottawa also bear significant responsibility for the collapse of the Ruddy-Melnyk partnership. The NCC, because it failed to address much earlier the economic dispute between Ruddy and Melnyk. The city, because it encouraged the policy of building densely packed apartment and condominium towers along the route of the light rail transit system — scheduled to begin operation this spring.

One such proposal — a 1,240-unit development at 900 Albert St. just south of LeBreton Flats — drove a wedge between the sponsor Ruddy and Melnyk, who became convinced the sale of apartments at 900 Albert would undermine the economics of LeBreton Flats. RendezVous LeBreton had plans for building roughly 200 units annually on the Flats.

Ruddy produced a study suggesting there’s plenty of demand in Ottawa to support both projects. Melnyk commissioned one that came to the opposite conclusion. The result late last year was $1.7 billion in claims and counterclaims.

In hindsight, it seems clear these two entrepreneurs should never have been in business together. They found common cause, it seems, only because former Senators CEO Cyril Leeder was instrumental in the early going when Melnyk was preparing for and recovering from a liver transplant.

The NCC was well aware of the clash of interests. Yet, rather than address head on the fatally flawed relations between Ruddy and Melnyk a year ago, the NCC simply threatened to end the process. Melnyk finally signed the term sheet but the RendezVous LeBreton partnership limped along for another wasted year. Nothing was resolved. Dozens of RendezVous LeBreton subcontractors have been left with little real hope of recovering money they invested preparing for the contest.

The costs of the past year of inactivity are hardly confined to potential suppliers. Consider the quite separate condo and commercial development just north of LeBreton known as Zibi. Filings by Zibi’s parent company reveal the project had sold or pre-sold 120 condos as of Feb. 25. That’s just 23 more than a year earlier. More concerning, there have been three sales or pre-sales in the five most recent months, and none so far this year.

Zibi’s longer-term goals are ambitious — it plans eventually to fill out the 34-acre site with more than 1,800 residential units and two million square feet of commercial space. Having a signature community of attractions on nearby LeBreton, notably an NHL stadium, would have helped Zibi’s sale efforts considerably.

The same applies to a couple of other large developments — the 1,950 unit LeBreton East community proposed by the Malhotra family and, of course, 900 Albert. (Though 900 Albert has the advantage of being located at the junction of two LRT lines).

And what about Ruddy? If he opts not to return to LeBreton Flats in some form, the Ottawa real-estate entrepreneur has no shortage of projects on the go — including major developments in downtown Toronto and on the outskirts of Calgary. In Ottawa, he is putting up significant retail and residential clusters at Rideau and Chapel, and Gladstone and Loretta. The latter is near the site of the Gladstone LRT station on the Trillium line.

Yet, after the sheer scale of RendezVous LeBreton — a 53-acre project — these are comparatively minor endeavours. Ruddy’s ambitions run bigger than these.

For his part, Melnyk says he is now determined to build a “hub” somewhere in central Ottawa that will include a community of some sort clustered around a stadium. This idea flows from recent developments such as the construction of a multibillion-dollar community in Inglewood, Calif. — the new home for the L.A. Rams football club. Multiple partners combine to put in place restaurants, retail shops, hotels, residences and parks — a place where people mingle every day, not just on game nights.

Sounds like the game plan that launched RendezVous LeBreton in the first place. Except now Melnyk is starting again from scratch in a town he does not call his own, one that offers no significant piece of downtown real estate that would serve as well as LeBreton Flats would have done.

This is where three long years of wasted effort have brought us.

jbagnall@postmedia.com

https://ottawacitizen.com/opinion/co...retons-failure
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Old Posted Mar 2, 2019, 2:07 AM
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If we go with the parceling out of the land though, what will that mean for covering a portion of the confederation line? Does that mean that's out of the question in that case?

Frankly I thought that was one of the best aspects of the Rendezvous plan. I'd hate to lose it.
They could still do it. Just deck the line one section at a time as development moves west from Booth. This is no different than say Montréal decking the Ville-Marie Expressway bit by bit over the years.

Considering that was one aspect that won major points in the competition, I would imagine the NCC will want to implement it in any new master-plan.
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I know this is blasphemy on a forum ostensibly dedicated to the building of skyscrapers, but I think the NCC needs to take a serious look at townhouses. They could set aside space for a future major events facility, and space for condos if demand ever picks up, but a reasonably well-designed townhouse project could sell out quickly, be built quickly, and we could replace a wasteland with a vibrant neighbourhood.
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Old Posted Mar 2, 2019, 2:44 PM
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The peoples' verdict: 'To hell with' the NHL on LeBreton

James Bagnall, Ottawa Citizen
Updated: March 1, 2019


Whispers in the wind. It seems Trinity Development founder John Ruddy and partner Graham Bird are still very much interested in participating in the re-launch of the LeBreton Flats project.

If that’s true, they will be very interested in the results of an opinion survey about LeBreton’s next steps which will be outlined March 7 by the National Capital Commission.

An online survey of 772 Ottawa residents by Ekos Research Associates this past week suggests there is a significant majority support nixing the idea of a hockey stadium if that is what is standing in the way of moving the project forward. Since late November, RendezVous LeBreton partners John Ruddy (chairman of Trinity Development) and Eugene Melnyk (Ottawa Senators owner) have been embroiled in $1.7 billion worth of litigation — with financing of the NHL arena a major sticking point.

“The public likes the RendezVous LeBreton project and they were happy to see hockey as a hub, but they were always open to other things,” Ekos founder and president Frank Graves told this newspaper, “As delays grew people began saying ‘if the hockey arena is what’s in the way, then to hell with it.’ ”

The survey suggested 61 per cent of respondents would rather see something else built in place of the arena, while just 22 per cent wanted to see an NHL stadium on LeBreton even if it means further delays in the overall project.

Unlike many online surveys, which are often biased in favour of the community that frequents the sponsoring website, Ekos’ methodology appears more rigorous. Ekos conducted a random sample of Ottawa residents by phone and directed people to its website to complete the survey. Ekos claims this particular survey is accurate within a margin of 3.5 percentage points, 19 times out 20.

The Ekos tabulation, which took place during the last week of February, indicates support for the NHL arena is not only low, it’s slipping. Just 30 per cent of respondents agreed that the presence of a stadium was “critical” to the success of LeBreton, down from 41 in a comparable survey done by Ekos from Nov. 27 to Dec 3.

The final day of the most recent tabulation was Feb. 27, when the NCC revealed mediation efforts had failed between Ruddy and Melnyk.

Increasingly, Melnyk is seen by respondents to be the major impediment to redeveloping LeBreton Flats. Sixty-nine per cent of those who took part in the poll considered the Senators’ owner “very responsible” for the impasse between the RendezVous LeBreton partners, up from 54 per cent in the November/December survey.

Ruddy was thought to be very responsible for the deadlock by 38 per cent (up from 36 per cent in early December) while the NCC and City of Ottawa were held responsible by 13 per cent and 11 per cent of respondents respectively.

Survey participants were also asked how the NCC should proceed assuming Melnyk and Ruddy would be unable to resolve their dispute. Fully half suggested Ruddy’s Trinity Development should combine forces on the 20-year, $4-billion project with Devcore Canderel DLS, the runner-up in the original 2016 contest to remake LeBreton Flats.

Not quite 40 per cent believed the NCC should start again from scratch.

Finally, Ekos posed the question, if there’s to be no hockey arena in a future project, what should there be instead? Fifty-seven per cent thought LeBreton Flats should include another public venue such as an aquarium, museum, performing-arts centre or convention hall. One in three thought the best idea would be to leave an empty space to accommodate a future arena — just in case a deal can be reached.

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local...hl-on-lebreton
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I know this is blasphemy on a forum ostensibly dedicated to the building of skyscrapers, but I think the NCC needs to take a serious look at townhouses. They could set aside space for a future major events facility, and space for condos if demand ever picks up, but a reasonably well-designed townhouse project could sell out quickly, be built quickly, and we could replace a wasteland with a vibrant neighbourhood.
HELL no. That would be an absolute travesty. We just built the infrastructure for an extremely high density neighbourhood. It would be such a waste to put low density there and would ruin the potential of what should be one of Canada's greatest places. It might take a few more years but I'm confident the NCC and the people won't let something like this happen.
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Lebreton was the lynchpin on which the future vision of our city was built on. Regardless of how you feel about the project itself, its hard not to feel defeated by what has transpired.
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HELL no. That would be an absolute travesty. We just built the infrastructure for an extremely high density neighbourhood. It would be such a waste to put low density there and would ruin the potential of what should be one of Canada's greatest places. It might take a few more years but I'm confident the NCC and the people won't let something like this happen.
It seems pretty unlikely anyone is going to build an extremely high density neighbourhood unless there is some sort of drastic and unlikely paradigm shift in this city. If the NCC won’t look for more realistic options then the moonscape will probably remain for a long time.
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Lebreton was the lynchpin on which the future vision of our city was built on. Regardless of how you feel about the project itself, its hard not to feel defeated by what has transpired.
Downtown is nearly at capacity and Ottawa is doing well. What we don't know is whether LeBreton will host one massive project or a series of small ones. But rest assure that it's only a matter of time.
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Downtown is nearly at capacity and Ottawa is doing well. What we don't know is whether LeBreton will host one massive project or a series of small ones. But rest assure that it's only a matter of time.
Downtown isn’t really full, there are dozens of sites in centretown alone planned for future development.

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Turn Lebreton over to Shopify and let Tobi develop a campus, entertainment district and housing
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I know this is blasphemy on a forum ostensibly dedicated to the building of skyscrapers, but I think the NCC needs to take a serious look at townhouses. They could set aside space for a future major events facility, and space for condos if demand ever picks up, but a reasonably well-designed townhouse project could sell out quickly, be built quickly, and we could replace a wasteland with a vibrant neighbourhood.
While skyscrapers are certainly not the be-all-end-all for me, townhouses would be far too low-density. I would definitely support 5-10 story apartment blocks with a few skyscrapers as a good alternative to a condo tower neighbourhood. Zoning regulation makes it too hard/expensive to do that over building something taller. I hope one day to see the regulatory process streamlined for buildings under 10 storeys.
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While skyscrapers are certainly not the be-all-end-all for me, townhouses would be far too low-density. I would definitely support 5-10 story apartment blocks with a few skyscrapers as a good alternative to a condo tower neighbourhood. Zoning regulation makes it too hard/expensive to do that over building something taller. I hope one day to see the regulatory process streamlined for buildings under 10 storeys.
That is basically what Claridge did with their first phase. It look the better part of a decade to build a handful of smallish buildings (I think they still have unsold units). At that rate Lebreton will take all of this century.
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That is basically what Claridge did with their first phase. It look the better part of a decade to build a handful of smallish buildings (I think they still have unsold units). At that rate Lebreton will take all of this century.
It may take a long time. Look at Zibi. They are having a difficult time to sell units. But that might relate to the early comers facing what appears to be a war zone. As these developments take form and look desirable, then there will be more momentum.
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Downtown isn’t really full, there are dozens of sites in centretown alone planned for future development.

https://documents.ottawa.ca/sites/de...towncdp_en.pdf
Like I said... Downtown is nearly at capacity. In regards to Centertown, it's zoned only for low rise developments, therefore not suited for the types of buildings proposed in Rendez-vous.
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Like I said... Downtown is nearly at capacity. In regards to Centertown, it's zoned only for low rise developments, therefore not suited for the types of buildings proposed in Rendez-vous.
I count 22 orange (potential) high rise buildings on that map, plus a whole bunch of proposed projects. Obviously not every project will get built but there are probably several decades of capacity. Plus it isn’t hard for developers to get the city to ignore CDPs.
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