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Old Posted Nov 24, 2007, 8:12 PM
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It wouldn't be that expensive since it is isolating the long 40+ mile Foothill Gold Line to Montclair and combine more frequent and 'shorter' length route of 20-25 miles in length.
While I can't really speak for him (and probably shouldn't) I think what JDRCRASH meant was that the overall plan on the 3 route map above, with the green line looping through Crenshaw and connecting with the purple line at Wilshire/La Brea plus all the other extensions would be expensive. Very expensive.

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And technically speaking not every train will go to Union Station, they'll probably split around the Little Tokyo area into either Union Station/Chinatown/Pasadena or towards Boyle Heights/East LA.
Now that you mention it, yeah, that makes a lot of sense.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 25, 2007, 7:45 AM
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December 1st is just one week away. This BETTER be it.
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Old Posted Nov 26, 2007, 12:57 AM
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December 1st is just one week away. This BETTER be it.
Yeah tell me about it, i'm sick of waiting for the G.A.P. to break ground
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Just saw an announcement in the Cal Plaza elevators at my work that Famima!! in Watercourt has an opening date of 12/04/07.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 27, 2007, 1:43 AM
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Things just keep looking better for DT

The Convention Business Comeback

Tapping Momentum From L.A. Live and a 1,001-Room Hotel, Downtown Is Finally Booking Major Conferences
by Evan George


Photo Credit: downtownnews.com

One hazy morning in June, as political and business leaders stood under an unlikely outdoor chandelier at the groundbreaking of the Convention Center hotel, they were doing more than just posing for a photo op. They were there to build buzz and hopefully kick start the city's moribund convention industry.

Five months later, tourism officials say the plan is working, thanks in large part to the construction of the $900 million hotel, the centerpiece of Anschutz Entertainment Group's $2.5 billion L.A. Live project (the first phase, the Nokia Theatre, opened in October). Since the groundbreaking ceremony alone, officials have landed as many new conferences as were signed in a one-year period starting in July 2004. More than 40 were booked this past year.

"Once the shovel went into the ground, that was when everything started to go, 'Yippee ka-yay,' and everyone started to get excited," said Michael Krause, senior vice president of sales for L.A. Inc., the city's convention and visitors bureau. "There's such a draw now to come Downtown."

That draw is largely the 54-story, 1,001-room hotel under construction in the middle of L.A. Live. Envisioned as the linchpin of the flashy new district, which will also include theaters, restaurants, a movieplex and more, the glass-clad complex will house an 878-room JW Marriott and a 123-room Ritz-Carlton topped with 224 luxury condominiums.

What matters most to the convention business, industry observers say, is having a major source of hotel beds finally open a stone's throw from the Convention Center. In the past, many convention goers had to take shuttles from other hotels Downtown or across the city.

"That certainly gives L.A. an advantage, there's no question about that," said Thomas Mobley with the International Association of Assembly Managers, an organization that represents convention centers.

L.A. Inc. officials like to divide Los Angeles convention business into two epochs: pre- and post-L.A. Live. The difference between the two, they say, is remarkable.

In fiscal year 2004-2005, L.A. Inc. booked just 12 conventions, paling in comparison to West Coast cities such as San Diego and Anaheim, which each have thousands of hotel rooms within walking distance of their convention facilities.

One year later, after breaking ground on the Nokia Theatre, the number of conventions jumped to 22. In the last year, 41 conventions signed contracts to come to Downtown L.A., for events as far off as 2016. Since July, 12 more convention deals have been inked.

With the hotel scheduled to be completed in 2010, L.A. Inc. officials said they expect bookings to continue to grow, and even break the record of 22 major conventions held in a single year.

Besides being good for L.A.'s reputation, there is an economic factor: Krause estimates that convention business generated about $322 million from July 2006 to June of this year. About $13 million of that went to city coffers in the form of hotel room taxes.

For all the progress, those numbers still lag behind L.A.'s nearest competitors. In the period that L.A. generated $322 million, the San Diego Convention Center reported more than $650 million in direct convention attendee spending and a regional economic impact of $1.5 billion. In the six years since major renovations to that bayside facility, conventions have generated more than $140 million in hotel taxes, according to the San Diego Convention Center Corporation.

Jack Kyser, vice president and senior economist for the Los Angeles Economic Development Corporation, said that despite all the pieces falling into place, Downtown L.A.'s gains could come slower than some hope.

"You look at San Diego right now and you see two huge 1,000-room hotels adjacent to their convention center and a third under construction," said Kyser. "We're just on our first 1,000-room hotel."



LA Live already starting to pay-off.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 27, 2007, 3:16 AM
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the overall plan on the 3 route map above, with the green line looping through Crenshaw and connecting with the purple line at Wilshire/La Brea plus all the other extensions would be expensive. Very expensive.
Just as long as ppl always keep in mind how costly & sloooow it will be to add to existing transit in LA, they won't be setting themselves up for too much disappointment.

I feel that if I get too much into the details & specifics of what our new transit systems should be like----beyond dealing with the current extension of the Gold line & the construction of the Expo line-----it would be similiar to discussing how Titan's Olympic & City House condo towers should have green granite outer walls, with 40 trees on each side, a fountain in the center, 13 exercise rooms, a conference ctr w/a 50 ft long table, entry doors w/gold frames, 20 apts that are exactly 2800 sq ft, a dog walk, ceilings no less than 11.5 ft high, 2 restaurants on the ground floor, etc.

IOW, at this point in time, creating a full fledged subway/train system in LA unfortunately still is so much pie in the sky (no thanks to our voting against the use of sales taxes for subways) that to get beyond the most vague generalities----such as saying: the Red Line must go to SaMo!!----guarantees I'll be setting myself up for disappointment.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 27, 2007, 3:47 AM
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Actually I don't believe the transit issues being discussed here are off topic at all. Am I wrong to say much more significantly than almost any single residential tower or office building?
Don't get me wrong about what topics are raised here. If ppl wanna talk about A, B or C, the more the merrier. After all, there already are so few LA forumers posting to SSP & this thread in particular, so if subjs debated here run the gamet from A to Z, I say go for it! As for transit in LA, the only reason I tend to pass over discussions about that was explained above.

And so since I'm into the here & now, & don't want to have to keep waiting, hoping & wondering about something good happening, here is a change taking place in the hood right now. A change that is very definitive & very do-able.


A Brief Example of Before & After:

This bldg at the SW corner of 5th & Spring Sts was once one of the fanciest, most $$ hotels in LA. It can be easily identified in background shots of certain TV shows, movies----cops shows in particular----mainly cuz its red tile facade stands out. Red tile that doesn't fit the architecture & makes the hotel look cheap & dated, like a shopping mall from the 1970s.

The remodeling of the past was one of the wrongheaded changes made to the bldg during the disco 1970s or the Joe-Cool 1960s. A last gasp to improve the hotel right before both Spring St & the hotel really fell apart.

Just think of it: one of the previous owners over 40 yrs ago spent $$ to redo the hotel & actually ended up cheapening the bldg & wasting his money in the process.

It appears that the makeover from the 60s or 70s resulted in the original 2nd floor window frames being lost, along with the bay window that once sat above Spring St. Too bad since I bet the original metal window frames had some really nice design features. But the current makeover finally is returning the hotel to a closer version of its former self, & that is something I say to.

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Before:

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After:

Floyd B. Bariscale at flickr.com

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Old Posted Nov 27, 2007, 4:29 AM
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Just as long as ppl always keep in mind how costly & sloooow it will be to add to existing transit in LA, they won't be setting themselves up for too much disappointment.

I feel that if I get too much into the details & specifics of what our new transit systems should be like----beyond dealing with the current extension of the Gold line & the construction of the Expo line-----it would be similiar to discussing how Titan's Olympic & City House condo towers should have green granite outer walls, with 40 trees on each side, a fountain in the center, 13 exercise rooms, a conference ctr w/a 50 ft long table, entry doors w/gold frames, 20 apts that are exactly 2800 sq ft, a dog walk, ceilings no less than 11.5 ft high, 2 restaurants on the ground floor, etc.

IOW, at this point in time, creating a full fledged subway/train system in LA unfortunately still is so much pie in the sky (no thanks to our voting against the use of sales taxes for subways) that to get beyond the most vague generalities----such as saying: the Red Line must go to SaMo!!----guarantees I'll be setting myself up for disappointment.
If LA cant build a proper transit system, all of this development is academic. Downtown wont really recover except a little bit during big booms. Hollywood will stop developing. Ktown will stall. Our businesses won't grow very fast.

People will brave traffic and drive to a mega development once in a blue moon, but walking, and exploring LA will be largely out of the question. People will still not really know where places like ktown are. Downtown living will be a fad. Etc. ETc.

Anyhow, LA's only hope is to build a transit system and continue attracting residents AND businesses to its central urban areas.

If SF could waste 22 billion on a BART system that only has 300,000 daily boardings, LA can spend 6 billion building a freakin subway that would get 300,000 by itself.
     
     
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^^ that is where we are shooting right now, the Alex.

I have tons of photos of the interior, but it is truly nothing special. Weird, WEIRD people in there. Been remodeled tons of times, mostly poorly. 70's, 60's, 50's. All were not well executed. The latest remodel I would consider much the same, sort of half assed. They are aiming at the bottom of the market, with "mini lofts" which are hotel rooms cut into little "apartments" with a mini kitchen and such. I don't know what is happening to all the people living in there except many are getting evicted as they work their way through the building.
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^ I'm just happy the exterior is being renovated. Any positive change to the exterior (like the removal of the hideous red tile) is welcome, since it will make the neighborhood more attractive.

Personally, I don't care either way about the aesthetics of the interior. It's not like they're not renovating it as a high-end hotel or "market rate" housing. Their aim was a mix of affordable housing.
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I don't know what is happening to all the people living in there except many are getting evicted as they work their way through the building.
Actually, I believe there was a significant vacancy rate prior to the remodel.

Secondly, people are being evicted, but it's the new management company that is cracking down on the troublemakers -- of which there were many (the Alex was notorious for being a hotspot for drugs). There was an excellent article on blogdowntown by Ed Fuentes a while back that's a good interview with a long-time resident of the hotel.

Also, the remodel is occurring on a floor by floor basis. Current tenants are being moved into different units on different floors temporarily, and then they are being moved back into their previous units.

I just wanted to clear that up since the way it was worded might confuse people into thinking this is some evil developer kicking out the poor people.
     
     
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Citywatch – thanks for putting together the “now and then” pictures. I really enjoy seeing those pictures side-by-side. I have said it before, and I’ll say it again, “the best thing that is coming from this boom is the preservation and restoration of our old buildings. But of course, I like the new shiny buildings, too.

Speaking of new buildings, regarding these quotes from the article above from the Downtown news about the Ritz/Marriott Hotel and its impact on increased convention bookings:

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For all the progress, those numbers still lag behind L.A.'s nearest competitors. In the period that L.A. generated $322 million, the San Diego Convention Center reported more than $650 million in direct convention attendee spending and a regional economic impact of $1.5 billion.
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"You look at San Diego right now and you see two huge 1,000-room hotels adjacent to their convention center and a third under construction," said Kyser. "We're just on our first 1,000-room hotel."
Even with the hotel under construction, already seems to be inadequate. We need another big hotel near the convention center sooner than later and there isn’t one on the drawing boards, yet. The LA Central hotel is only 240(?) rooms.
     
     
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^ There's still the plot just south of Jardin that's planned for a large tower, the empty parking lot on the north side of 11th and Figueroa, and a planned hotel across Olympic from the Ritz (which is part of the overall LA Live plan). So there's still plenty of opportunity for hotel rooms in the immediate vicinity beyond LA Central. I'd bet that you don't start seeing plans for these for another year or so, when the convention center has gained even more steam.
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^ ^ ^

What about the lot in between Hanover and L.A. Central?

I know there are a few small buildings there, but they're not that impressive.

Maybe we could call it "North Figueroa"?
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The lot on the northeast corner of 11th and Fig is in between Hanover and LA Central. The rest of that block along Figueroa is taken up by the Holiday Inn (which just underwent a significant remodel a few years back) and a surface lot - which I believe belongs to or is part of the Holiday Inn - on the southeast corner of Fig and Olympic. Since hotel rooms will be in short supply if the convention center can book more business, I don't see that Holiday Inn going anywhere - and there's really no need for it to go.

However, I would eventually like to see something built on that SW corner of Fig and Olympic that fits the whole LA Live aesthetic, but I don't think that will happen anytime soon.
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Holiday Inn is okay over there, just wish it was taller and denser. They have significant airspace that could be used.

Hopefully something occurs to the Titan bldg on the corner of Olympic & Flower. Maybe some office uses? The Liberty Grille should be relocated into a mixed use bldg, b/c they're taking valuable space as well. Great restaurant by the way!
     
     
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Hey, guys, I just got a call from the VP of Marketing & PR at Related -- turns out that site abatement work only is going to start December 3. So don't get your hopes up about seeing that tinker-toy parking structure getting torn down until the official groundbreaking ceremony on February 7.

I wrote about it here.

They're serious about the work being done on-site starting in December though. Cars can't park there after Sunday.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 28, 2007, 2:21 AM
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^Great job on getting the scoop!

No complaints. This is a huge project moving forward in uncertain economic times and they are keeping their December start date (give or take a day). We just took that date as the day the parking structure comes down. Oh well. Don’t forget, this project also comes with a huge new park.

Speaking of the park, have final renderings of the park become available?
     
     
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Plans for the park are still being finalized and will have to go through one more round of community input before they're adopted. I'm thinking early 2008 if not mid-2008.
     
     
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Thanks for the scoop RAlossi!! And you and Friday are doing a fantastic job with Angelenic!
     
     
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