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Old Posted Apr 13, 2008, 5:02 AM
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I agree, the Freedom Tower and the rest of the WTC is a monumental failure in todays world. Its the 21st Century, buildings rise fast, and in todays terms, the Freedom Tower is pretty much a mild construction project. Why it has taken 2 years to not even rise above ground yet is rediculous. The nearby Goldman Sachs Tower commenced in 2005 and is nearly topped off, while the Freedom Tower still sits and slowly slowly rises.
Then you clearly know nothing about construction.

Goldman Sachs foundations don't lie on top of a train tunnel. Goldman Sachs is also a straight steel frame and concrete core setup. 1 WTC is steel frame and rebar and concrete everywhere. Think of that floor right above the PATH tracks a setback on the Trump Tower. At least those setbacks were higher in the building and not at the very base.

Oh and Goldman Sachs just had to pile drive, not dig in Manhattan schist, since it just lies on top of reclaimed river landfill.

One final thing, if buildings rise so fast today, then howcome the fastest rising highrise, the Empire State Building, which was built in only 13 months, was built in 1929? If anything buildings take longer to build nowadays (short of 24 hour shifts and/or low wages).
     
     
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I think it's fair to say that while certainly the FT moving upward is great news, not many people would have designed it the same way it came out.....
     
     
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I check in every 3 months or so and always find myself wishing I'd waited another two years to look at this thread. Always the same worn out arguments. Never out of the ground. See yall in July. A foundation pic that a novice can see progress on will be great. But there is always hope for me for October if it doesn't work out.
     
     
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I check in every 3 months or so and always find myself wishing I'd waited another two years to look at this thread. Always the same worn out arguments. Never out of the ground. See yall in July. A foundation pic that a novice can see progress on will be great. But there is always hope for me for October if it doesn't work out.
thanks for contributing to the "same worn out arguments" that you complain about
     
     
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It took much more than six and a half years to design the first WTC. So, why the rush ? It's to the New-Yorkers in the first place to deal with the humiliation of its destruction, then the mourning and finally its reconstruction. The surroundings are building up quite quickly and I'm completely confident that once it's gonna take off the ground we'll see real progress.
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Can someone explain how the WTC memorial will look like? I am very interested in this project and Wikipedia has too much information to read from.
     
     
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Did some housecleaning. . . sorry it took so long, but it appears as though a few forumers keep coming in here attempting to derail the discussion. . . no more trolling. . . you know who you are. . . any further deviation will result in suspension. . .

Again I apologize to those forumers who come here looking for information on the Freedom Tower. . .
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Can someone explain how the WTC memorial will look like? I am very interested in this project and Wikipedia has too much information to read from.
Take a look here http://www.wtcrising.com/main.cfm?ac...99&s=wtcrising

Thanks for Tom In Chicago , it become really difficult to take information about Freedom Tower now in this thread .

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^^ Was just about to say that. What that means is that the first full floor should be poured in the next 2 weeks.
     
     
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^^ Was just about to say that. What that means is that the first full floor should be poured in the next 2 weeks.
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are there any wide shots of the FT site, it's kind of hard to grasp where they are at with all of the close ups
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Thxs for the pictures - does anyone know what this is ? looks to all the world like steel plates with embed spikes, as if they were going to put on rebar then pour on top. I've never seen steel plates used like this. Keeps the bottom of the colum from splitting ? Will this replace the "usual" web of rebar ?
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This faulty concrete batch story is just another minor glitch. It ought to be expected in every construction project.
I'll get concerned if this particular error repeats itself; but so far so good.
     
     
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Happily they are being very careful with this building project, quality is key. The fact that it was caught and corrected is the important thing.
     
     
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Thxs for the pictures - does anyone know what this is ? looks to all the world like steel plates with embed spikes, as if they were going to put on rebar then pour on top. I've never seen steel plates used like this. Keeps the bottom of the colum from splitting ? Will this replace the "usual" web of rebar ?
I think it is in conjunction with the rebar. If you look at the backround of the picture you will see the rebar sticking over onto the steel plates. I think the real reason it is being used is that this floor is going to be really thick, like 2-3 feet thick.
     
     
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http://www.nypost.com/seven/04182008...ity_106987.htm

TRASHY WTC SECURITY
HOMELESS GUY FINDS KEY PLAN IN A CAN




PRINTS & THE PAUPER: Mike Fleming, who lives on the streets, yesterday holds up the confidential, floor-by-floor schematics of the Freedom Tower that he stumbled upon in this trash basket.



By JEREMY OLSHAN and KEVIN FASICK
April 18, 2008

It's a good thing Osama wasn't walking through SoHo yesterday morning.

Two sets of confidential blueprints for the planned Freedom Tower, which is set to rise at Ground Zero, were carelessly dumped in a city garbage can on the corner of West Houston and Sullivan streets, The Post has learned.

Experts said the detailed, floor-by-floor schematics contain enough detail for terrorists to plot a devastating attack.

"Secure Document - Confidential," warns the title page on each of the two copies of the 150-page schematic that a homeless, recovering drug addict discovered in the public trash can.

"Any time a sensitive document is unintentionally left behind, it's a treasure trove for a potential adversary," aid Robert Strang, CEO of Investigative Management Group, a global security firm. "It enables them to look for vulnerabilities in design that they can target - an age-old military tactic."

Informed of what the homeless man, Mike Fleming, had found, shocked Port Authority officials called it an egregious security lapse.

"Violating these protocols is cause for serious disciplinary action - up to termination for employees and breach of contract and legal action for contractors," said Candace McAdams, PA director of media relations.


One of the identical sets was missing the first 14 pages, which is particularly alarming.

Besides the PA, there are 11 entities listed on each page of the blueprints, including the builder, Tishman Construction, and architects Skidmore Owings and Merrill.

Although the documents, dated Oct. 5, 2007, are not a complete set of blueprints, they do contain details such as plans for each floor, the thickness of the concrete-core wall and the location of air ducts, elevators, electrical systems and support columns.

"Certainly, if you know the thickness of concrete, someone with an explosive background can develop and plot an attack," Strang said.

That was exactly the thought that ran through Fleming's mind when he found the documents and alerted The Post.

Fleming, 28, originally from Ohio, said he was rummaging through the garbage in search of cardboard, "because the concrete is so cold to sleep on," when he noticed the documents and the warning to "properly destroy if discarded."

"They were right on top, and the garbage truck came along 10 minutes later," he said. "I was outraged, because this is priceless and it could gets into the wrong hands.


"I am an honest guy. This could have ended up on eBay or gotten to al Qaeda."

The schematics were distributed to PA officials, architects and contractors, and the state's inspector general will be investigating who improperly disposed of the sensitive materials, which the agency had no intention of making public, McAdams said.

"We don't tolerate carelessness and stupidity, which is why we have these strict protocols in place," she said.

According to McAdams, the plans are several versions old, "not very detailed" bidding documents that are given to anyone bidding on contracts.


But Steve Yang, an architect who reviewed the schematics for The Post, said that even though they do not contain every detail, it would be easy to fill in the blanks.

"An expert in explosives, demolition or biological weapons certainly could glean enough here to develop a game plan," he said. "You can see where all the concrete walls are, where the emergency stairwells are, and the electrical and HVAC systems."

The air-intake and ventilation systems in most modern office buildings would make it extremely difficult to cause widespread damage with a gas or anthrax attack, thanks to the filtration systems, a security source said.

Security sources say that such breaches tend to be inside jobs and that the garbage-can drop might have been intentional.

"The insider threat is always a corporation's biggest threat, and a terrorist adversary will try to locate disgruntled employees," a security-industry source said.

Relatives of 9/11 victims say that lapses in security over Ground Zero have ceased to be surprising.

"I'd certainly be pretty leery going to work in the building knowing that security on the plans was so lax that even a vagabond could find them," said Bill Doyle, whose son, Joseph, was killed in the Twin Towers.

"The whole thing is kind of frightening, but at the same time totally expected, because we have been failed time and again."

As shocking as such dangerous lapses in security are, experts contend that they are bound to happen again.

"Outrageous security breeches like this amplify how vulnerable New Yorkers are," said Nicholas Casale, former head of security for the MTA.
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