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In 18 to 22 degree weather? That's t-shirt and shorts weather in Canada!
Ditto in Flagstaff. I'm burning up in Phoenix because I only packed jeans and Hawaiian shirts.
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I needed to pick up a few last minute things Christmas Eve and this Kroger's ice cream flavor caught my eye. My fellow Americans... it's like we don't even try anymore

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how was everyone's christmas?
I had to do the bulk of the cooking, so by dinner-time I had cooked so much that both of my hands were cramping. My older brother was pissing me off because he kept getting in my way in the kitchen and asking for samples of everything, yet didn't even volunteer to help actually cook or prep anything. My ex-girlfriend called and asked to come up for New Years... then two days later she decided not to come because it would stir up too many painful emotions. While being crabby over having been (involuntarily) assigned the vast majority of the cooking duties I worked my way through the liquor cabinet. Overall I'll give this Christmas a C.
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how was everyone's christmas?
It was a fine family party as usual. We've eaten way too much for 3 days as always and my elder brother gave me too much wine to drink as everytime i eat with him. I'm proud to say I could convince my entire family that eating foie gras was a sin shamefully torturing ducks and geese, except of course my elder brother who's a greedy motherf$ck€r, he won't give a damn.
Never try foie gras if you've never done yet. And if you have, you probably like it just as most but think of this, doing without foie gras is no pain compared to the horrible torture that ducks and geese have to go through to make it.

On the other hand, excuse my advertising but I still recommend Sauternes very much, that sweet wine that we're used to drinking when eating foie gras. It's deliciously fruity, you would certainly enjoy it a lot. It's usually expensive though. I would rather recommend Sainte-Croix-du-Mont if spending like $ 100 for a bottle of wine bothers you. It's much less expensive because less prestigious than Sauternes but it's actually as tasty to non-experts like myself.
Of course good wines are not necessarily from France. California, Chile, South Africa, Australia... Those are regarded as credible growing rivals to our wine business nowadays, which is fine, it will force our producers to do even better. And since we're in the Midwest section, I think that business is actually kinda growing over there too. So support your local producers by enjoying their products when having good meals and remember, wine is not to get drunk, it's only a convivial gastronomic pleasure. When you need something to get yourself drunk, beer and stronger alcoholic drinks such as tequila, vodka or whiskey are more efficient because they're usually less expensive.
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Old Posted Dec 28, 2011, 2:05 PM
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Of course good wines are not necessarily from France. California, Chile, South Africa, Australia... Those are regarded as credible growing rivals to our wine business nowadays, which is fine, it will force our producers to do even better. And since we're in the Midwest section, I think that business is actually kinda growing over there too. So support your local producers by enjoying their products when having good meals and remember, wine is not to get drunk, it's only a convivial gastronomic pleasure. When you need something to get yourself drunk, beer and stronger alcoholic drinks such as tequila, vodka or whiskey are more efficient because they're usually less expensive.
I haven't had a good midwestern wine. We make some of the best beer, but our wines are almost undrinkable. Most recently, I made the mistake of trying a pinot noir from Pelee Island, ONT - disgusting! I try to support local, but as far as wine, California, Washington State, and Oregon are as local as I can get for decent wines.
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Old Posted Dec 28, 2011, 2:08 PM
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how was everyone's christmas?
My niece dilly-dallied until Thursday afternoon about letting me know the timing of the family celebration, by which time I was able in good conscience to tell her that I already had made other plans. I didn't go so far as to tell her that those plans involved my big leather recliner, a good book, and a large mug filled (and refilled) with homemade hot chocolate, reinforced with Bacardi Gold. I don't have a television and I didn't turn on the radio,so I was spared the time-worn and often bastardized renditions of traditional Christmas music, too.

So, I managed to dodge the bullet this year, and had a pleasant, relaxed Christmas without boastful in-laws and noisy rugrats and ankle-biters.

And yes, the thought crossed my mind that she might have intentionally delayed inviting me, hoping I would have an excuse not to come. It's all good.

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I haven't had a good midwestern wine. We make some of the best beer, but our wines are almost undrinkable. Most recently, I made the mistake of trying a pinot noir from Pelee Island, ONT - disgusting! I try to support local, but as far as wine, California, Washington State, and Oregon are as local as I can get for decent wines.
I haven't tried a lot of wines lately, but I've heard good things about some of the Southern Indiana wines, where the vineyards have had time to mature and the wineries have been at it long enough to figure out what they're doing. Some Michigan wines have gotten good reviews, too.
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Old Posted Dec 28, 2011, 2:36 PM
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Bitch please. You wish you had more Germans than us. My grandmother called me a Polack today as an insult.
Eastern Missouri is pretty German, but it's not as celebrated as in Wisconsin. Missouri as a state doesnt have a more singlular identity like Wisconsin, it's really three regions that happen to be in one state. WW1 and WW2 really put the clamp on German St. Louis, to be sure, and there was a sense of putting to rest a lot of the old ways and ties to the old world. All the German language street signs were taken down and my old street was changed from Berlin ave to Pershing. St. Louis feels more serious northern German, lots of brooding dark architecture, people sweeping their steps - very seriously.

The Germanic aspect of St. Louis is very very understated. I think Cincinnati is the same way. In 1860 there were around 100,000 Germans here already. So it's an older population of German-Americans as such here. They kept the Armory of the West out of Confederate hands, there was no proper southern army that could march on this city. 30,000 German Americans from St. Louis wore Union blue in actual battle, second only to New York. I think Milwaukee only had 45,000 people total. The highest ranking German-American, Franz Sigel, lived in St. Louis.


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He has another statue in NY.

Technically more people of German decent came to St. Louis than Milwaukee, and they came earlier. Germans from Wisconsin/Milwaukee are just louder, and more proudly Germanishy than here. Not to mention the waves of Irish, African Americans, Polish, and Italians on top of the earlier Germans. I think we have more Italians than most midwest cities outside of Chicago - we have a pretty damn big, and urban Little Italy that nobody knows about.



The German restaurant selection in St. Louis needs some help. They are a little dusty.



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My niece dilly-dallied until Thursday afternoon about letting me know the timing of the family celebration, by which time I was able in good conscience to tell her that I already had made other plans. I didn't go so far as to tell her that those plans involved my big leather recliner, a good book, and a large mug filled (and refilled) with homemade hot chocolate, reinforced with Bacardi Gold. I don't have a television and I didn't turn on the radio,so I was spared the time-worn and often bastardized renditions of traditional Christmas music, too.

So, I managed to dodge the bullet this year, and had a pleasant, relaxed Christmas without boastful in-laws and noisy rugrats and ankle-biters.

And yes, the thought crossed my mind that she might have intentionally delayed inviting me, hoping I would have an excuse not to come. It's all good.
Sounds better than my Christmas!

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I haven't tried a lot of wines lately, but I've heard good things about some of the Southern Indiana wines, where the vineyards have had time to mature and the wineries have been at it long enough to figure out what they're doing. Some Michigan wines have gotten good reviews, too.
I've tried some of the so-called better midwestern wines and still didn't like them.
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I won 100 dollars in the casino the other night, and got really drunk. In the casino. At some point I was ran outside the casino, and then tried to bring a tree branch inside of it.


I don't know how I'm not in jail. OMFG!
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Old Posted Dec 28, 2011, 5:47 PM
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buck & ayreo, i'm going to be in phoenix tonight as well

but only for 3 hours or so

and i'm probably not leaving the airport
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Eastern Missouri is pretty German, but it's not as celebrated as in Wisconsin. ...
OK. Let's fucking go there.

Germans were such a large percentage of the population that by 1860 Milwaukee was ethnically the most German city outside of Berlin. Before World War I the majority of newspapers printed in Milwaukee were German language and before World War II close to half the population spoke German and no English. Also, Pabst is better than Budweiser.

Your use of raw numbers to support your claim is disingenuous, what is really important is percentage of population and weighted density characteristics. When making an analysis of these statistics, its clear that St Louis' Germans all lived in the suburbs.

And we have a fucking windmill restaurant too!


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But do you guys have a fake German village restaurant?

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Forgive my anger in the last post. It's just that...Milwaukee doesn't have that much, so when you try and de-legitimize the one thing it does have (German heritage), I get a little hot and bothered.
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I won 100 dollars in the casino the other night, and got really drunk. In the casino. At some point I was ran outside the casino, and then tried to bring a tree branch inside of it.


I don't know how I'm not in jail. OMFG!
sounds fun!
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Old Posted Dec 28, 2011, 7:06 PM
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Forgive my anger in the last post. It's just that...Milwaukee doesn't have that much, so when you try and de-legitimize the one thing it does have (German heritage), I get a little hot and bothered.
No worries. Yeah, I was kind of passively aggressively razzing Milwaukee in a way, while at the same time trying to make some kind of point. I guess that point being that Milwaukee both does and doesnt have a monopoly on German-American culture in the midwest. Like most caucasian St. Louisans, I'm only some kind of fraction German-American and not *that* serious about that part of my heritag, but am aware of it and like a 'lil braunschweiger now and then. I did make a passing comment pertaining to the per capita issue with St. Louis. There were absolutely massive German-American communities here, nonetheless, that built massive swaths of the urban fabric both on the Northside and Southside, which is still evident in the architecture and in particular in the care/methods of construction. For instance, you just don't see that slop that passes for masonry work in Chicago.

For all intensive/important purposes, Milwaukee pretty much sweeps every other contender to the claim of being "Germanic" off the board, that city took that important part of it's heritage and ran with it - and had good claim to.

Fake German village restaurant, coming up.


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I raise you another dusty inner city German restaurant.


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and a bloated, overpriced, stuffy suburban German restaurant.


http://www.masoncontractors.org/abou...ry/10105/1.jpg

Unfortunately I'm running out of restaurants. I have a few more in reserve for sudden death overtime. I'm afraid to look to see how many more there are in MKE, much less Wisconsin as a whole. So I'll formally capitulate to MKE in this cold war.

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Here's some of our rural German hinterland, some of it called the Missouri Weinstrasse. This more in the spirit of did-ya-know, and not look-at-this. It extends west along the Missouri river away from St. Louis, and was noted for it's resemblence (supposedly) to the country along the Rhine. There are a number of towns there.


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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missouri_Rhineland

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^ a pox on both of you Nazis. Both of you take two canisters of Zyklon-B and tell me which state is more German in the morning!
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^ a pox on both of you Nazis. Both of you take two canisters of Zyklon-B and tell me which state is more German in the morning!
See, I think that's funny.

In any case, it's Wisconsin.
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Some photos of Milwaukee and the surrounding countryside:

Milwaukee Opera House:


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Milwaukee City Hall:


wikipedia

Average residential neighborhood in Milwaukee:


nateandryoko.com

Wisconsin State Capitol:


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I'm going to go home and drink some French-Canadian beer. Who want's to argue about whos city is more French. Or maybe Irish. St. Louis is 79% Irish, 88%, German, 99.0231% French.

That's my French-Irish side talking. And my Italian I don't care.

Maybe that's my Belgian curve.
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Old Posted Dec 29, 2011, 2:32 AM
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Awww, come on. NONE of your cities can match the ten stories of Bavarian splendor that we have here in Quad City Land!!!

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