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Chronamut · #1 Posted **Jan 31, 2023, 5:40 AM**

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urban format grocery stores are far more expensive to construct so have to do really robust business to pencil out.

The wider downtown is generally already full of grocery stores, It's just that other than Nations they are all on the periphery of downtown (No Frills on Main East, Food Basics on Barton, Fortinos on Dundurn), so those brands likely don't see a market downtown as it would cannibalize sales from their existing retailers, which have lower overheads than a new-build urban format store would.

The only major grocer player not downtown right now is Sobeys (FreshCo) - who is growing their retail presence in Ontario right now as well. If I had to take a bet on who the next entrant would be, I would bet on an urban-format Farm Boy on the west end of Downtown or a FreshCo. Likely a Farm Boy as there is currently only one Farm Boy in all of Hamilton and Sobeys is busy rapidly expanding the brand right now.

If Bental Green Oak had a decent brain on their heads they would be looking for a grocer tenant in their 3 tower project beside Hess Village. It's on the higher income side of downtown, close to a lot of existing residents and far from existing grocers (other than Nations), on a major arterial, and is a large site which is needed to make grocery store tenants work (cheaper parking, large floorplates, etc.). They aren't though.. so we keep waiting.

Not true - Metro is in the east end of hamilton. I don't really consider the east end "downtown"..

Innsertnamehere · #2 Posted **Feb 3, 2023, 6:44 PM**

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Not true - Metro is in the east end of hamilton. I don't really consider the east end "downtown"..

Metro owns Food Basics, so they do have a downtown presence through that.

Berklon · #3 Posted **Feb 3, 2023, 8:36 PM**

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Metro owns Food Basics, so they do have a downtown presence through that.

I consider that Food Basics outside of the downtown. Mind you, it's not far outside of it, but it's a decent distance away from those who live on the south side of the downtown core... and especially the South/West side. Definitely not a walkable distance if you're carrying a good amount of groceries.

I think there needs to be something closer to the heart of the downtown core, but it doesn't have to be as large. Even something half the size would make a huge difference.

Chronamut · #4 Posted **Feb 4, 2023, 2:16 AM**

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Metro owns Food Basics, so they do have a downtown presence through that.

*splits hairs* lol

atnor · #5 Posted **Jan 30, 2023, 10:35 PM**

With talks of shop lifting and people seemingly encouraging it in other online forums I’m not surprised grocers aren’t jumping to build a new store in the core.

Also I’d imagine construction of the LRT doesn’t encourage new businesses of that scale just yet.

Chronamut · #6 Posted **Jan 31, 2023, 5:44 AM**

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With talks of shop lifting and people seemingly encouraging it in other online forums I’m not surprised grocers aren’t jumping to build a new store in the core.

Also I’d imagine construction of the LRT doesn’t encourage new businesses of that scale just yet.

Maybe if they stopped giving their ceos gargantuan raises and paid their employees a bit more they could lower their profit on food prices so people wouldn't need to shoplift...

atnor · #7 Posted **Jan 31, 2023, 1:15 PM**

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Maybe if they stopped giving their ceos gargantuan raises and paid their employees a bit more they could lower their profit on food prices so people wouldn't need to shoplift...

Sure but repeated shoplifting will see increased presence of security, increased prices, and possibly closures.

Two wrongs don’t make a right. You know me chron, I always err on the side of morality.

Chronamut · #8 Posted **Jan 31, 2023, 1:43 PM**

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Sure but repeated shoplifting will see increased presence of security, increased prices, and possibly closures.

Two wrongs don’t make a right. You know me chron, I always err on the side of morality.

True enough, hopefully we resolve this mess at some point..

TheRitsman · #9 Posted **Feb 3, 2023, 4:55 PM**

Video on Instagram about installation of the window wall: https://www.instagram.com/reel/CoNIu...d=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

PaperSun · #10 Posted **Feb 3, 2023, 5:24 PM**

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Video on Instagram about installation of the window wall: https://www.instagram.com/reel/CoNIu...d=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

Nice video, timing seems to be lining up perfectly to move the cranes down the street to the Design District.

TheRitsman · #11 Posted **Feb 3, 2023, 5:48 PM**

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Nice video, timing seems to be lining up perfectly to move the cranes down the street to the Design District.

I wonder if that's where the Design District starting date is coming from. The cranes have their logo, so they may own them, and so they may literally be moving them down the street.

TheHonestMaple · #12 Posted **Feb 4, 2023, 3:13 PM**

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I wonder if that's where the Design District starting date is coming from. The cranes have their logo, so they may own them, and so they may literally be moving them down the street.

It's a good point. How many more floors to go on this one?

TheRitsman · #13 Posted **Feb 4, 2023, 4:42 PM**

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It's a good point. How many more floors to go on this one?

I think they're on the last floor or done and doing some finishing work. Cranes are likely to come down in the next month or two, or at least one of them.