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Old Posted Sep 17, 2025, 3:56 PM
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You seem to be a bit fixated on the labour aspect of this. Got any insights as to why you're point the finger at site labour rather than other aspects of the construction?

Acciona has been involved in a lot of larger scale infrastructure projects recently, and not all of them have been under the same labour regime.
Some of the things I've heard have been concerning. Stringent rules regarding allocation of workers, labourers taking constant time off, conflict with seniority and inefficient usage of labourers, etc...The NDP's 'Community Benefits Agreement' added all sorts of barriers to hiring including very weird DEI requirements and the requirement that 1/4 of workers be apprentices who are very green.

It has not gone over well with senior trades people who value efficiency as they've constantly been forced to work with inexperienced tradespersons and labourers.
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Some of the things I've heard have been concerning. Stringent rules regarding allocation of workers, labourers taking constant time off, conflict with seniority and inefficient usage of labourers, etc...The NDP's 'Community Benefits Agreement' added all sorts of barriers to hiring including very weird DEI requirements and the requirement that 1/4 of workers be apprentices who are very green.

It has not gone over well with senior trades people who value efficiency as they've constantly been forced to work with inexperienced tradespersons and labourers.
The Community Benefits Agreements don't include any barriers to hiring most of the workers on the publicly funded projects they cover. They include targets for having 25% apprentices, and language about prioritising hiring of qualified indigenous and equity groups. The unions, and the contractor signed on to those in 2019. Anybody going to work on these projects should have known that there would be a higher proportion of apprentices than they might find on a typical work site. If they don't like helping train the future workforce, they should probably find work elsewhere - it's only a handful of projects that the targets apply to.

Apprentices aren't necessarily 'very green' - some will be quite experienced. That's the whole point of the target - increasing the skills base of the provincial workforce. Senior trades people were apprentices theselves years ago. No doubt some are less well equipped to help train the future workforce, but if we're going to continue to grow and upgrade our infrastructure it's better that we have a trained younger workforce to carry that out.
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...the requirement that 1/4 of workers be apprentices who are very green.

It has not gone over well with senior trades people who value efficiency as they've constantly been forced to work with inexperienced tradespersons and labourers.
On the face of it this sounds to me like a very forward-thinking strategy in an era when a whole generation of workers are aging into retirement.
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both bridges will be closed for about a week to finish construction in December. 3 year review period to decide it it needs to be 6 lanes.
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both bridges will be closed for about a week to finish construction in December. 3 year review period to decide it it needs to be 6 lanes.
4 Phases to the opening, including Phase 3 when a bit of new and a bit of old are both open,.

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There will be four phases, with no changes in Surrey in phase one but in New Westminster the Royal Avenue on-ramp will be closed for preparatory work for the full bridge closure and this will be for up to two weeks.

"Then we move into where both bridges are not open – so the new bridge isn't open yet and we have to close the Pattullo Bridge for approximately a week; we're hoping we can do that in a shorter time frame," she said. "And then we move to phase three, when the new bridge is open and this will be in December and this will be a spit of the new bridge and the old."

Itagawa explained at that point there will be some lanes open on the new bridge and the existing bridge. "And then the final configuration is the full traffic switch when all lanes are on the new bridge. After the bridge is open, we can't complete all of the connections and some of the multi-use paths until the new bridge is open and that we start removing part of the existing bridge because some of the existing bridge is in the way of some of these connections."
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Itagawa told council the new bridge will receive a First Nations name that's yet to be revealed. First Nations art will be included on the bridge. "Musqueam Indian Band and Kwanten First Nation are bestowing the new name of the bridge," she said. "We are following traditional protocols and more details about the name will be shared in the coming months."
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Great video. Aaaalmost connected across the river.

Man, I wish the old bridge could remain. Some redundancy never hurts.
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getting real close to connecting the bridge... looks like December is a reasonable timeline to begin the opening
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update from september 26...cant tell for sure but it looks like the final cables have been installed
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update from september 26...cant tell for sure but it looks like the final cables have been installed
Yes, definitely. It's pretty clear when compared to Lexus's pics above.
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Yes, definitely. It's pretty clear when compared to Lexus's pics above.
It’s still missing a pair of cable on north approach.
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^You’re right, I probably should have been looking on a screen larger than a phone.
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Hi All,
I was thinking about the construction sequencing for the 4 phases mentioned,

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https://www.surreynowleader.com/local-ne...o-be-open-to-traffic-in-december-8257306

both bridges will be closed for about a week to finish construction in December. 3 year review period to decide it it needs to be 6 lanes.

so I drew some lines on renderings from the Pattullo project site here and here.


Source: me & Pattullo Bridge Replacement Project - https://www.pattullobridgereplacement.ca/construction/bridge-opening/

I can't tell if it's phase 3 or 4 that is supposed to be completed by Christmas 2025, either way Royal ave on-ramp makes for a small difference.
What I labeled phase 5 with Hwy 17 off-ramp is scheduled for mid-2026. Although I wonder if the Columbia St. loop-ramp will be done before then.
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