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Old Posted Mar 31, 2014, 2:35 AM
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True, especially a wide portion Between Rivière-du-loup and St-Louis-du-ahah
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Old Posted Mar 31, 2014, 2:38 AM
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Curious; what's the widest portion of highway outside GTA?
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 31, 2014, 2:51 AM
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Curious; what's the widest portion of highway outside GTA?
Nationwide?

Dartmouth (Halifax) has a 12 lane section at the MicMac Parclo on Highway 111.

It think a wide section was just built in Calgary at Stoney & Deerfoot.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 31, 2014, 3:54 AM
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^that doesn't really count, its only 12 lanes for a few feet.. I think Middeljohn means through lanes. Are there any highways that get above 10 through lanes (5 in each direction) outside of Toronto? The only section I can think of that wide is the new Port Mann bridge in Vancouver.
     
     
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The only section I can think of that wide is the new Port Mann bridge in Vancouver.
That was the first highway that came to my mind as well. Then I remembered seeing some pictures from a highway expansion project in Ottawa, that being Highway 417, which is 11 lanes between highways 416 & 59.

If including merging lanes/on-off ramps, the westbound QEW in Hamilton is 12-13 lanes for a short distance(0.25km) just before the ramp to Red Hill Valley Parkway(RHVP) clearly separates. After which its legitimately 10 lanes between RHVP & the Burlington St. skyway, 12 if you include the southbound RHVP exit ramp which runs along side it.

Highway 7 & 8 through Kitchener is 8 lanes for about half of each of their lengths and gets up to 10 at virtually every interchange, which is pretty impressive for a city of its size.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 31, 2014, 6:32 AM
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I guess that section of the QEW is technically out of the GTA

The Queensway in Ottawa has a considerable distance of 8 lanes. Does Montreal have anything 8 lanes or more? Most I ever saw was 6.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 31, 2014, 6:40 AM
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The #1 in Vancouver is now 8 lanes for about a 30km length.

Also when done the new Port Mann Bridge will be 10 lanes (so about a 3km stretch including the bits before and after the bridge).
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Old Posted Mar 31, 2014, 7:20 AM
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A-15 nord 8 lanes ,, A-40 6 lanes + 4 service lanes = 10 ,,, in Laval A-15 8 lanes + 4 services lanes = 12 ,,, in Ste-Thérèse A-15 8 lanes

Autoroute métropolitaine Mtl


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A-720 is 8 to 10 lanes


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Old Posted Mar 31, 2014, 1:00 PM
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so no "real" 10 lane roads then? Its almost odd given how common 8+2 HOV or 10 lane roads are in Toronto. 427 (12), 401 (18), 404 / DVP (8+2), 400 (10), QEW / Gardiner (10), 403 (10+2), 407 (12), etc.

The 410 and 409 are the only highways in the GTA *without* a 10 lane or more section.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 31, 2014, 4:25 PM
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so no "real" 10 lane roads then? Its almost odd given how common 8+2 HOV or 10 lane roads are in Toronto. 427 (12), 401 (18), 404 / DVP (8+2), 400 (10), QEW / Gardiner (10), 403 (10+2), 407 (12), etc.

The 410 and 409 are the only highways in the GTA *without* a 10 lane or more section.
You need space to have 12 real lanes. You would have to destroy entire neighborhoods just to add 2-3 lanes on each side + larger interchanges. On the island the urban environment makes this impossible.

until the 60's there was no highways in Mtl, they had to expropriate a lot of people.

Look at NYC, you won't find any real 12 lanes
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 31, 2014, 4:44 PM
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oh I know, The GTA has choke points like that in Oshawa , Mississauga and of course Toronto with the DVP and Gardiner. I just think its interesting how suburban montreal doesn't have anything beyond 8 lanes. I guess its made up for with how you have way more highways than Toronto, Toronto has a few huge ones while Montreal has many smaller ones.
     
     
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oh I know, The GTA has choke points like that in Oshawa , Mississauga and of course Toronto with the DVP and Gardiner. I just think its interesting how suburban montreal doesn't have anything beyond 8 lanes. I guess its made up for with how you have way more highways than Toronto, Toronto has a few huge ones while Montreal has many smaller ones.
I thought it was a pretty basic fact for you to understand.
     
     
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I wonder if Toronto have any equivalent of this, it would be neat to compare it with Montreal.
     
     
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Nationwide?

Dartmouth (Halifax) has a 12 lane section at the MicMac Parclo on Highway 111.

It think a wide section was just built in Calgary at Stoney & Deerfoot.
Stoney and Deerfoot both max out around 8 through lanes IIRC, and even those are only for a few hundred meters.
     
     
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They recently expanded the 417 between the 416 and Eagleson Road in Ottawa (Kanata). It's now Westbound 4 lanes + 1 reserved bus lane & Eastbound 3 lanes + 1 HOV + 1 reserved bus lane. == 10.
They're currently half/75% done the expansion from Eagleson Road to Highway 7 which will be 3 each way I believe. (could be 4).

Also many central points of the 417 in Ottawa are 4 lanes per direction.
     
     
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oh I know, The GTA has choke points like that in Oshawa , Mississauga and of course Toronto with the DVP and Gardiner. I just think its interesting how suburban montreal doesn't have anything beyond 8 lanes. I guess its made up for with how you have way more highways than Toronto, Toronto has a few huge ones while Montreal has many smaller ones.

I find Ottawa and Quebec City to be analagous to this. Ottawa has one main, larger and busier expressway whereas QC has multiple narrower highways criss-crossing the city. The highway grid in QC is surprisingly small in some areas. I wonder if this was the master plan all along or if the network grew organically. There isn't even a main East-West highway traversing the entire metro area without being somehow interrupted on the North side of the river.
     
     
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Stoney and Deerfoot both max out around 8 through lanes IIRC, and even those are only for a few hundred meters.
A couple kilometers of Stoney actually, between Deerfoot and 88th Street is 4 lanes each way plus ramps in its current configuration.

Only other spots in Calgary I can think of thats close is theres a couple hundred meters on Crowchild by Dalhousie that is essentially 4 each way with the outer lane coming off one ramp and then going up to the next. The actual winner though may be the stretch of Macleod between James McKevitt and the Fish Creek bridge thats 4 lanes southbound and 5 lanes north bound for close to a kilometer. Technically not highway per-se but its the biggest that I can think of.
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They recently expanded the 417 between the 416 and Eagleson Road in Ottawa (Kanata). It's now Westbound 4 lanes + 1 reserved bus lane & Eastbound 3 lanes + 1 HOV + 1 reserved bus lane. == 10.
They're currently half/75% done the expansion from Eagleson Road to Highway 7 which will be 3 each way I believe. (could be 4).

Also many central points of the 417 in Ottawa are 4 lanes per direction.
It will be 8 lanes total between Eagleson & Palladium, and then 6 lanes from Palladium to Highway 7.

They're also currently widening from 6 lanes to 8 lanes between the 174 & Nicholas.

Here's the width of Highway 417 in Ottawa:
-eastern city limit to Hunt Club Road: 4 lanes
-Hunt Club Road to Highway 174: 4 lanes, planned to be widened to 6 lanes
-Highway 174 to Nicholas Street: 6 lanes, currently being widened to 8 lanes (done in 2015, but new lanes to be used as BRT replacement for Transitway while Confederation Line is under construction; when that is finished in 2018 they'll be turned over to general traffic)
-Nicholas Street to Kent Street: 6 lanes, planned to be widened to 8 lanes
-Kent Street to Carling Avenue: 8 lanes
-Carling Avenue to Highway 416: 6 lanes, planned to be widened to 8 lanes
-Highway 416 to Eagleson Road: 10 lanes
-Eagleson Road to Palladium Drive: 4 lanes, currently being widened to 8 lanes (to be finished by end of this year)
-Palladium Drive to Highway 7: 4 lanes, currently being widened to 6 lanes (to be finished by end of this year)
-Highway 7 to western city limit: 4 lanes
     
     
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How you can continue to advocate that a government currently $176 billion dollars in the hole, should be bailing out an unbelievably profitable railway is laughable.
What in blazes are you on about? Where did I ever suggest anything that a reasonable person could in any way, shape or form interpret as advocating the "baliling out" of a railway? And is it even possible to "bail out" a profitable enterprise, of any sort? But, speaking of bailing out, didn't that very same heavily indebted government do just that for a couple of car companies a few years' back?

If you're going to engage in ranting, do at least try make it vaguely coherent and without making up things about others.

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Railway abandonment issues are federally regulated.
You're just repeating an already-known and agreed-upon fact. But it just so happens that that already-known and agreed-upon fact is irrelevant to the topic at hand because the federal jurisdiction of the railway isn't an obstacle to some lower level of government acquiring the railway being abandonned.

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It is fiscally irresponsible for any level of government to pick up the liability of an under-performing railway just so a private entity can turn an even larger profit.

CP Rail turned one of its largest profits ever in some of 2013:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on...rd-third-quarter-profit/article15014715/
Two things:

One. So it's your contention that the only reason for a government to acquire a railway line is to supposedly increase the profit of the railway company from which it is being acquired?

A government couldn't possibly do it for other reasons, such as to secure an important transport link for businesses in the area, or to run a passenger service, or to maintain redundancy in the rail network, or to rail bank the line for the future, or even to maintain rail access for an important military base? No, apparently the only reason to do it is to supposedly boost the profits of a railway company.

Two. The notion that a government acquiring a railway line from a railway company boosts that company's profit is dubious at best. When a railway company abandons a line and takes up the tracks and related infrastructure, it generally does one of two things with those track assets. It either reuses the assets elsewhere on its network (if they're in good enough condition) - which saves them from having to buy such materials - or it sells them. So when the government acquires the line instead, the company is really no better or worse off - it's in the same position as if it had sold the assets itself. Indeed, from what I have heard through the grapevine, the complaint that the railways have in the case of governments acquiring trackage in good condition is that it actually costs them more to buy the equivalent if their plan was to reuse the assets elsewhere.

So the upshot is that governments acquiring railway lines really doesn't do much to boost railway company profits.


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Also a note, Ontario's transportation minister bikes to work. Further proof MTO isn't car dominated.
You're conflating the ministry with the minister. Having a transport minister who bikes to work for a couple of years isn't going to change the institutional culture of the ministry as a whole, which remains overwhelmingly car-centric.
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Wow, that looks like a gong show.
     
     
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