1444 Alberni | 138M | 48fl, 43fl | Proposed

[dleung]

Yes, and I want a new building in 2024 to look like it's built in 2024, not pretend that it's 1924. The international style of certain eras can have local variations on it. Arthur Erickson is a great example, which we need a 21st century version of.

I'm saying international starchitecture > fake-art-deco, and modern west coast architecture > international starchitecture.

[Spr0ckets]

I obviously disagree with all that.

There's nothing wrong with classical revivalist styles built in the modern age as long as they are executed and done right.
Whether or not you believe these are done well is a matter of opinion, and it's clear what your opinion is.

I'm with the others on here and rather liked these building designs as a step away from the usual "cookie-cutter" types we normally get.

Speaking of which,..... wanting design styles to conform to a particular "look", be it of a place or a period, is usually how you end up with "cookie-cutter" and a dearth of creativity and innovation of styles as everyone is afraid to go outside the norm - even if that might mean looking to the past and doing something interesting with it for the modern age.

Just my opinion.

[griswold]

This project is awesome. They should definitely build it as is. Too bad it seems to be on hold?

[urbanight93]

Put me into the camp all for the Art Deco Revival.

For all its worth, the west coast has had Robert Stern designed towers as far back as 2000, in West Van's Edgewater tower. For anyone curious to see their fantastic detailing / finishings https://www.ramsa.com/projects/proje...ter-apartments.

I hope the Alberni project is revived in its current form someday.

[yaletown_fella]

Put me into the camp all for the Art Deco Revival.

For all its worth, the west coast has had Robert Stern designed towers as far back as 2000, in West Van's Edgewater tower. For anyone curious to see their fantastic detailing / finishings https://www.ramsa.com/projects/proje...ter-apartments.

I hope the Alberni project is revived in its current form someday.

2288 Bellevue in West Van is gorgeous, inside and out. Most luxury interiors being offered nowadays dont hold a candle to it, in terms of quality and spaciousness.

I'm dissapointed that Mizrahi and partners didnt opt for RAMSA for One Bloor West, as per the original plan. It would have been simpler from an engineering perspective and would likely be topped out by now.

[BaddieB]

Originally Posted by dleung

^^These are false dichotomies. If this project has the budget to pull off art-deco in a non-cringy way, it's not going to look like "the usual". I rather see that high-end money going towards another Bjarke Ingels or Kengo Kuma, or ideally something more representative of the West Coast.

Also, the "green" glass cliche is about 15 years out of date

Why is it not ideal that it doesn't represent the west coast. And what does that even mean? Is the Hotel Vancouver Weat Coast? Is the Sun Yat Sen garden west coast? It's a post modern building evoking Art Deco, plenty of these exist in Vancouer, just with not as much stone work like this.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by BaddieB

Why is it not ideal that it doesn't represent the west coast. And what does that even mean? Is the Hotel Vancouver Weat Coast? Is the Sun Yat Sen garden west coast? It's a post modern building evoking Art Deco, plenty of these exist in Vancouer, just with not as much stone work like this.

Exactly. I think you nailed it. I cannot understand why people 'think in boxes' and say "Oh we can't have that! It's not 'West Coast!'" And yes, what IS West Coast anyway? This is a new city with eclectic architecture, and doesn't have the strict "norms and standards" the way many European cities do. I like the project as it is presented, whether some think it is "faux New York" or not.

[Repthe250]

‘West Coast architecture’ is subjective, anyway. Look at San Francisco. Quintessential West Coast. Worlds apart from Vancouver, equally as quintessential West Coast. I am so on board with this design, and think it’s juxtaposition will be great.

[city guy]

I like the Heatherwick proposal better...at least it's being experiemental in expression, channeling something between a tree, a mushroom and Gaudi

...I think that this particular proposal is tacky because it will never achieve the true decoative facade treatment that makes art deco great...this will just look like it has been drawn at 1:200 ...its not even pomo because true pomo had a sense of self-awarenes about it, like Johnson's AT&T

[BaddieB]

Originally Posted by city guy

I like the Heatherwick proposal better...at least it's being experiemental in expression, channeling something between a tree, a mushroom and Gaudi

...I think that this particular proposal is tacky because it will never achieve the true decoative facade treatment that makes art deco great...this will just look like it has been drawn at 1:200 ...its not even pomo because true pomo had a sense of self-awarenes about it, like Johnson's AT&T

It's a tower using stone we take what we get

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by Repthe250

‘West Coast architecture’ is subjective, anyway. Look at San Francisco. Quintessential West Coast. Worlds apart from Vancouver, equally as quintessential West Coast. I am so on board with this design, and think it’s juxtaposition will be great.

Exactly !

[whatnext]

Given that this project was originally Asia Standard Americas and Landa Global is it finally time to admit its gone tits up, a victim of China’s property meltdown?

[Changing City]

Originally Posted by whatnext

Given that this project was originally Asia Standard Americas and Landa Global is it finally time to admit its gone tits up, a victim of China’s property meltdown?

Asia Standard Americas just completed Landmark. Landa Global just started construction of 1818 Alberni. Neither company would seem to be in trouble, and neither needs to rush to build here. It's not like the design is going to look out of date in a few more years.

[jollyburger]

Asia Standard's parent company is a public company if you want to examine their books.

The redevelopment of our Empire Landmark hotel
in Vancouver is progressing well. Internal fittingout is completed and we are expecting occupation permit of the “Landmark on Robson” development to be issued in the third quarter 2024. This is an approximately 394,000 sq. ft. GFA redevelopment with
two 30-plus storeys residential towers, comprising 236 residential units over a three-storeys podium of retail and office space of about 50,000 sq. ft., and a four-level underground parking facility in addition. Up to 31st March 2024, approximately CAD241 million of residential sales were contracted, and about half of the retail shops were pre-leased.

The Group’s two joint venture residential development
on Alberni Street, downtown Vancouver, are in active
discussion with the local city’s planning department.

17 Landmark on Robson
1400 Robson Street Vancouver,
B.C., Canada
82.7% 41,000 394,000 R/C Completed

18 1394 Robson Street
Vancouver, B.C., Canada
82.7% 8,400 75,000 R Planning/–

19 1488 Alberni Street
Vancouver, B.C., Canada
33.1% 43,300 627,000 R/C Planning/–

20 1650 Alberni Street
Vancouver, B.C., Canada
33.1% 17,300 276,000 R/C Planning/

https://asiastandard.com/wp-content/...24/07/E129.pdf

https://asiastandard.com/

The 1488 and 1650 Alberni Projects are only 33.1% ownership by Asia Standard as well.

Who knows about Landa but if they are still starting new projects it seems to suggest they aren't totally insolvent. Though they asked for a delay on a Richmond project

https://www.richmond-news.com/local-...ension-8575093

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by Changing City

Asia Standard Americas just completed Landmark. Landa Global just started construction of 1818 Alberni. Neither company would seem to be in trouble, and neither needs to rush to build here. It's not like the design is going to look out of date in a few more years.

So Lanark’s residential is now occupied? It’s not noted in its thread.

[madog222]

Originally Posted by whatnext

So Lanark’s residential is now occupied? It’s not noted in its thread.

Occupancy permit issued back in July, thread title updated.

[griswold]

Of all the projects failing to go forward this might be the most tragic, architecturally. Would love to see more of this classic style being built.

[urbanight93]

One day the residential market will be back and i hope that they retain this design since they have most of the approvals in place. Would be a major loss otherwise.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by griswold

Of all the projects failing to go forward this might be the most tragic, architecturally. Would love to see more of this classic style being built.

Originally Posted by urbanight93

One day the residential market will be back and i hope that they retain this design since they have most of the approvals in place. Would be a major loss otherwise.

Yes! The style and presence of these two towers would (hopefully will) be elegant, imposing, and add a "New Yorkish" (for want of a better word) dynamic to the West End. It'll be great Hope it goes ahead.

[jollyburger]

FWIW Asia Standard just conducted third party valuations on their Alberni and Robson properties last year.

Robson ~600 million CAD
Alberni ~500 million CAD

From their 2024 Annual Report

1394 Robson

In addition, the Group’s wholly-owned developable
land adjacent to the Landmark On Robson is in the
planning stage of development, while its two joint
venture residential developments on Alberni Street
are in active discussions with the local city’s planning
department.

https://asiastandard.com/wp-content/...24-ASH-Eng.pdf