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misterchill Oct 4, 2017 3:45 PM

1444 Alberni | 138M | 48fl, 43fl | Proposed
 
From RENX.ca, Property Biz Canada, Evan Duggan, Oct 3 2017:

https://renx.ca/worlds-tallest-passi...ers-vancouver/

World’s tallest Passive House towers planned in Vancouver

A pair of developers are planning to build the world’s tallest Passive House structure in Vancouver.

Landa Global Properties and Asia Standard Americas have submitted a rezoning application for a two-tower rental home and condo development at 1400 Alberni Street in downtown Vancouver.

Passive House is a green building standard developed in Germany that boosts energy efficiency and comfort, and it reduces a building’s greenhouse gas emissions. There are about 1,150 Passive House buildings worldwide.

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The two new towers in downtown Vancouver will climb to 48 and 43 storeys, respectively, and will include 450 homes, including 129 rental units, and a daycare, said Kevin Cheung, Landa’s CEO.

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Cheung said the project was designed in partnership by New York-based Robert A.M. Stern Architects and Vancouver firm Musson Cattle Mackey Partnership.


Image from RENX.ca, Courtesy Landa/Asia Standard:
https://renx.ca/wp-content/uploads/2...veHouse300.jpg

sacrifice333 Oct 4, 2017 5:06 PM

Pretty cool to see a Passive House development of that scale.

And although the design isn't overly inspiring it certainly does have a New York feel to it, partially explained by the NYC firm + Passive House requirements (i.e. substantially less glazing).

Feathered Friend Oct 4, 2017 7:02 PM

Info from the application
 
http://rezoning.vancouver.ca/applica...ing-01_000.jpg

Quote:

  • 314 market residential units and 129 market rental units, for a total of 443 units;
  • a total floor space ratio (FSR) of 14.95 and a floor area of 60,131 sq m (647,249 sq ft);
  • six levels of underground parking with 484 vehicle parking stalls and 562 Class A bicycle parking spaces;
  • building heights of 134.7m (442.0 ft.) (East Tower) and 123.5m (405.0 ft) (West Tower);
  • a 56 space City owned childcare facility on Level 7; and
  • closure of Nicola Street between Alberni Street and the lane to create a new City park.

Link to Appplication
http://rezoning.vancouver.ca/applica...cola/index.htm

Link to Pre-App Open House info
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=15080

Floor counts remain the same, however heights have been altered from:
West Tower 403 ft to 405 ft
East Tower 453 ft to 442 ft

The unit counts have been reduced from:
495 (362 market - 133 market rental) to
443 (314 market - 129 market rental)

FSR has been increased from:
14.71 to 14.95

officedweller Oct 4, 2017 10:08 PM

From VancouverMarket.ca:


http://www.vancouvermarket.ca/wp-con...-Alberni_1.jpg
http://www.vancouvermarket.ca/2017/1...in-two-towers/

I don't see a lot of amenity space in the podium plans (other than daycare):
http://rezoning.vancouver.ca/applica...FloorPlans.pdf

This is upper-mid tower:
http://www.vancouvermarket.ca/wp-con...-Alberni_5.jpg
http://www.vancouvermarket.ca/2017/1...in-two-towers/

This shows the closure of Nicola for the pocket park:

https://i.imgur.com/eXLiBVl.png
http://rezoning.vancouver.ca/applica...cola/index.htm

This shows the materials - Stone!:
https://i.imgur.com/2nVi8SS.png
http://rezoning.vancouver.ca/applica...cola/index.htm

dleung Oct 5, 2017 12:22 AM

Architect is Robert Stern? Yikes, haven't heard that name creep up since PoMo DIED.

Give this design to some regressive American city... they will be an embarrassment here

csbvan Oct 5, 2017 12:53 AM

Yeah, PoMo surrounded by glass condos. They will stand out even more so, and I don't think in a good way.

city guy Oct 5, 2017 3:04 AM

how can you claim something is passive house when the north and south facades of each tower are treated equally? shouldn't aspect and solar gain affect how the buildings' openings are considered?

officedweller Oct 5, 2017 4:00 AM

It'll be shaded on all sides - i.e. small windows on all sides.

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I don't mind it.

Likewise, the retention of older historic buildings that vary the mix of architectural styles.

BodomReaper Oct 5, 2017 9:46 PM

I'm generally no fan of postmodernism, but the Stern-designed Water's Edge development in West Vancouver isn't the worst thing in the world (although below-par for something produced by a 'Starchitect'):

https://i.imgur.com/cWEKmJr.jpg?1

https://i.imgur.com/K6vZQHV.jpg?1
Source for both images

logan5 Oct 5, 2017 10:51 PM

Dleung is giving me an inferiority complex. I thought these towers were sophisticated looking. At least good enough for Vancouver.

whatnext Oct 5, 2017 11:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by logan5 (Post 7943892)
Dleung is giving me an inferiority complex. I thought these towers were sophisticated looking. At least good enough for Vancouver.

The towers will be a nice counterweight to all the boring glass stuff in Vancouver.

vanman Oct 5, 2017 11:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dleung (Post 7942789)
Architect is Robert Stern? Yikes, haven't heard that name creep up since PoMo DIED.

Give this design to some regressive American city... they will be an embarrassment here

Tate, Aquilini, Telus Garden, Peter Wall Mansion, etc are all embarrassments. We have plenty of other examples.
1444 Alberni will serve as a much needed reminder that not all residential buildings need to be grey on grey bland spandrel piles.

vanman Oct 6, 2017 12:49 AM

Robert Stern's One St Thomas in Toronto is probably one of the nicest towers in the country.

http://i.imgur.com/dr0XDFb.jpg
Image Credit

csbvan Oct 6, 2017 1:12 AM

Tbh, that's exactly what I fear.

osirisboy Oct 6, 2017 1:18 AM

Love it!!! It'll look great here

officedweller Oct 6, 2017 1:26 AM

Local examples by Rafii are Eden and Mondrian
- although those have painted concrete exteriors.

dleung Oct 6, 2017 3:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vanman (Post 7943958)
1444 Alberni will serve as a much needed reminder that not all residential buildings need to be grey on grey bland spandrel piles.

False dichotomy. We just need to design better modern buildings. Move forward, not backward.

Klazu Oct 6, 2017 3:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by logan5 (Post 7943892)
Dleung is giving me an inferiority complex. I thought these towers were sophisticated looking. At least good enough for Vancouver.

He's just a troll with no real knowledge of anything. I ignore anything he says most of the time. :)

I think these towers will look fantastic and like so many others have said, they bring something different to the very glass-heavy cityscape. Buildings of this style also age much better than modern glass towers.

bb1510 Oct 6, 2017 7:27 AM

I think you guys are looking at the wrong Robert Stern projects to compare this to.

Given the prices these will command, it's better to take a look at 520 Park Ave, 220 Central Park South, and 15 Central Park West in terms of interior/exterior treatments with regards to higher end Ramsa projects

I'm sure these will sell well to the demographic targeted given their desires for limestone houses in the westside

trofirhen Oct 6, 2017 7:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by logan5 (Post 7943892)
Dleung is giving me an inferiority complex. I thought these towers were sophisticated looking. At least good enough for Vancouver.

I think they're sophisticated-looking and good enough for Vancouver, for what it's worth. They have a "big city" almost "New Yorkish" feeling to them, IMO.:)


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