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Old Posted Jul 18, 2009, 9:01 PM
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Great pictures! I was an inspector along Line Section 5 of the light rail line which included Apache Blvd... it looks 10000x better than it used to.
Yep. Portions of Apache are looking much better. There is a lot of work to do yet, but the presence of the light rail is making a difference.

I just hope the light rail is extended all the way into downtown Mesa, and beyond, as planned. It would be cool if it at least extended to the Mesa Arts and Convention Center. That way the rail would have some sort of destination point at that end.

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Great pictures and thanks for being in the 115 heat to take them!

The Honors college looks like a lot of apartment buildings I saw in rural China. Blah. At least add some color to the exterior.
They remind me of the Soviet Cold War Era. They could have put some color on the buildings for sure. Or, at least put shade treatments around the windows.

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Thanks TAZ, great update.
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Old Posted Jul 18, 2009, 11:35 PM
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i haven't been in tempe for 5 months now. i was just wondering if anyone could update me with the south bank tempe development. is it ongoing or stalled? i remember looking through the master plans and being wowed, but when i left all i remember is a bunch of road construction on rio salado between mcclintock and rural (especially an intersection with a new, pier drive or something like that). thanks for any info,

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Old Posted Jul 19, 2009, 9:00 AM
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thanks, it looks really good! I like when college buildings have the atrium interior. I wonder if its still planned to be completed by fall 2010.

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i haven't been in tempe for 5 months now. i was just wondering if anyone could update me with the south bank tempe development. is it ongoing or stalled? i remember looking through the master plans and being wowed, but when i left all i remember is a bunch of road construction on rio salado between mcclintock and rural (especially an intersection with a new, pier drive or something like that). thanks for any info,
Well I wasn't really aware of that project, but I assume you are talking about the empty land north of the golf course, south of the lake... every time I have been by there recently I haven't noticed anything going on, except I think there was still some rio salado work.
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Old Posted Jul 19, 2009, 3:52 PM
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http://southbanktempe.com/

It seems to have stalled out, as far as the website is concerned -- nothing new has been posted in quite some time, in terms of dates for completion of certain milestones.
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Old Posted Jul 19, 2009, 4:22 PM
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http://southbanktempe.com/

It seems to have stalled out, as far as the website is concerned -- nothing new has been posted in quite some time, in terms of dates for completion of certain milestones.
So this project has already broken ground?
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Old Posted Jul 19, 2009, 4:57 PM
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So this project has already broken ground?
Only in the sense that site prep has been done. Nothing substantial as in the way of building construction.
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Old Posted Jul 19, 2009, 7:25 PM
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They need to bury those power lines along the town lake.
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Old Posted Jul 19, 2009, 9:14 PM
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They need to bury those power lines along the town lake.
i totally agree, as well as throughout Papago pk.
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Old Posted Jul 20, 2009, 3:18 AM
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Phoenix should take notes as to what Tempe is doing along Apache Blvd and hopefully transform E. Washington St.
I disagree. Campus Suites, The Vue, and the Barrett campus are all furnished student housing projects that will likely be 90% vacant during the summer. That is NOT the direction I want Washington St to go on. Both downtown Phoenix and Tempe struggle enough during the summer--Tempe more so--and the aforementioned projects just compound the problem.

Grigio Metro is the only one that will include a variety of fulltime residents and I do see projects like that coming down the line on Washington St. As an aside, Grigio is all luxury apartments and I tend to prefer more mixed income developments anyway.
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Old Posted Jul 20, 2009, 1:35 PM
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Anything sure beats a dirt lot. ASU downtown is empty during the summer, but that was definitely a great addition to dt phx.

I wasn't specifically suggesting that Phx should build student housing along E. Wash, just that the city of phx should look to Tempe for great TODs. Tempe has the head start and is leading the way when it comes to TOD.
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Old Posted Jul 20, 2009, 2:42 PM
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Does anyone else think that part of the problem is not everyone needs granite countertops and slate flooring? That's the big problem with a lot of these faux loft and condo developments in Phoenix. The developer over-equips them which drives up the cost. Especially for lower to middle class folk, you can live just as well with formica and linoleum.

Maybe I'm getting cheap in my old age, and recent tough developments have made me question the "keeping up with the Joneses" syndrome that many Americans (including myself up until 2008) seemed to suffer from.

Decontent the units and get those prices down to about $100 per square foot.

Put another way, California prices for Arizona real estate makes zero sense to me.

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Old Posted Jul 20, 2009, 3:21 PM
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Does anyone else think that part of the problem is not everyone needs granite countertops and slate flooring? That's the big problem with a lot of these faux loft and condo developments in Phoenix. The developer over-equips them which drives up the cost. Especially for lower to middle class folk, you can live just as well with formica and linoleum.

Maybe I'm getting cheap in my old age, and recent tough developments have made me question the "keeping up with the Joneses" syndrome that many Americans (including myself up until 2008) seemed to suffer from.

Decontent the units and get those prices down to about $100 per square foot.

Put another way, California prices for Arizona real estate makes zero sense to me.

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Don, I could not agree more with your statement. I am 25, so I must be cheap and young.
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Old Posted Jul 20, 2009, 4:13 PM
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Does anyone else think that part of the problem is not everyone needs granite countertops and slate flooring? That's the big problem with a lot of these faux loft and condo developments in Phoenix. The developer over-equips them which drives up the cost. Especially for lower to middle class folk, you can live just as well with formica and linoleum.
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I agree... However I think the developers are the problem, not the buyers. I think the developers are able to pencil out profits in relation to every upgrade they make to a unit. If installing granite costs them $1000, yet they can jack the price up $5,000 (calling it "Luxury"), they go out of their way to install luxury finishes. Lineoleum isn't nearly as luxurious and they probably can't make much return on those installations. Problem is none of the potential buyers out there can afford these luxury units, so developers screw themselves with units just sitting, even though there is a fair amount of demand for basic/non-"luxury" units... so they should go with the basic stuff.
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Old Posted Jul 21, 2009, 4:30 AM
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Agree.
Agree.
Agree.
(with all 3 of you above)
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Old Posted Jul 21, 2009, 6:03 AM
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Just wanted to chime in that it wasn't more than 3/4 years ago that I still saw some prostitutes hanging around Apache in Tempe. Leaps and bounds in such a short time. Of course the Police station helped a bit.
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Apache was such a clusterfuck in its day I wouldn't have thought at all it would have come this far, despite my previous distaste for all things ASU student infested.

I remember they built the fire station and some tire store 10 years or so ago and that was the biggest thing to have hit the corridor in years. It seemed pathetic and hope was lost.

I honestly don't even recognize Apache anymore.
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Old Posted Jul 21, 2009, 3:01 PM
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I just think it's interesting that we are discussing development along Apache more than development along Mill / downtown Tempe...that alone is a sign that Apache has come a long way.
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Hey guys, new to this forum, but I'll be moving in about a week into a place right off Apache by Grigio and Campus Suites. I'll try to snap some shots of all the new places going up to post here.

I've lived in Tempe for a long time and I agree it's wild that there is so much stuff going on at Apache!
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Old Posted Jul 22, 2009, 12:42 PM
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Welcome pitchfork! Looking forward to more Tempe photos, especially in that area.
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The irony in this story is pretty epic. It's a shame, too, because I really liked that store:

http://www.azcentral.com/community/t...chool0722.html

Old Hustler Hollywood store to become Sunrise Preschool

by Dianna M. Náñez - Jul. 22, 2009 09:34 AM
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Where adult toys once ruled, children will now play.

A Hustler Hollywood adult store that sparked controversy when it moved into a Tempe neighborhood near Broadway Road and McClintock Drive in 2006 will soon be home to a Sunrise Preschool.

The Hustler store closed in May. The day care received its building permit in April. Corporate officials did not return a call for comment about the opening date.

While the preschool will likely open with less fanfare than Arizona's only and the nation's 12th Hustler store, some residents say a business serving families is a better fit for the neighborhood and shopping strip that now includes a nail salon, CVS Pharmacy and Pizza Hut location.

The Hustler store had its December 2006 grand opening amid beaming sky lights and a visit from pornography guru Larry Flynt. More than 100 people chanted the publisher's name and waited in line for his autograph.

Not everyone was star struck.

Neighbors complained about a business selling adult toys, provocative clothing and other explicit material opening so close to a residential neighborhood.

"That store doesn't belong in a family-oriented neighborhood, period. Put a place like that in an industrial area. Our families need all the help they can get, not a place like that," resident Kent Porter said months before the store opened.

While some residents supported businesses' rights, they worried about the shop's proximity to schools.

"I don't go to topless bars or to those adult stores, but I have a choice and everyone else has a choice. If people don't like them, then don't go. On the other hand, if there are schools anywhere near that place . . . then it shouldn't be allowed," Dennis Tosline said.

The Hustler store was about 1 mile from McClintock High School and Curry Elementary School. Previously, the building was the site of a 1st Draft Pick Sports Bar and was also once a Red Lobster.

Open less than three years, the Hustler Hollywood failed to expand its business in Arizona and never grew a strong customer base in Tempe. The store closed May 31.

"We picked a bad location, and that location was not profitable for us," said Chris Strom, Hustler vice president of retail operations, following the closure. "We need to be more savvy at picking a better location."

This week, Gail Fisher, who lives in the Shalimar neighborhood southeast of the store, said she is happy the building is getting a new occupant. She thinks the preschool will fill a niche in the community.

"I'd rather see that building occupied than vacant - vacant buildings look like failure," she said. "I think it's a great thing for the community. There are a lot of apartments around there and there's a lot of children. It could be a very convenient school for the neighborhood."

Fisher was not a Hustler fan. She said she is pleased the market showed the retailer lacked broad community support.

"I always thought it was an inappropriate location given the nature of the business," she said. "It just didn't really fit the demand of our neighborhood. They tried but it failed."
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