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Wow.

You probably don't even need heated roads with your flying cars.
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The Record has an interesting article about one particular street that loops through Kitchener and Waterloo that goes through eight different names. They even have a video.

It's Idle Creek- Fairway Cres-Lackner-Bingemans Centre-Shirley-Riverbend-Bridgeport-Caroline. Incidentally, one block away you can get onto Park-Jubilee-Courtland-Fairway Rd-Kossuth and make a complete loop. A map for those interested. Don't try to understand, just accept that KW has the most incomprehensible tangled mess of streets in the country.
     
     
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Some updates.

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Gotta say I like the 4-lane single support design.
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Old Posted Feb 8, 2014, 4:59 PM
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Rip er down!

single support one is second best, but really expensive.
     
     
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The remove and don't replace option is growing on me. The thought of being able to walk that stretch and really soak in the awesome view of the skyline as opposed to being forced to speed through it is a very appealing thought to me.
     
     
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I also support just removing the damned thing and replacing it with a 4 lane, complete street with bike lanes but there's no doubt that it would cause some major traffic problems as well. It really has to be done though...
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The 8 lane university avenue type plan is fine with me.
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 8, 2014, 8:42 PM
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Rip er down!

single support one is second best, but really expensive.
The most expensive option would likely be to bury it. Seems like that is off the drawing board now.

There was also a cable-stayed viaduct proposal as well.
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It's better to have an urban boulevard. Like the Bonaventure highway in Montréal.
     
     
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Converting Gardiner expressway into an urban Boulevard? Wow, good idea!
What is the AADT for the part crossing downtown Toronto ?
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this section is around 110k. The 10 lane section by the 407 is to 225k, and the main part that is 6 lanes west of Spadina is around 150k.
     
     
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this section is around 110k. The 10 lane section by the 407 is to 225k, and the main part that is 6 lanes west of Spadina is around 150k.
Did you mean 427?
     
     
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A nice little time waster for those who haven't discovered it yet:
http://www.raqsb.mto.gov.on.ca/techpubs/TrafficVolumes.nsf/tvweb?OpenForm&Seq=24
     
     
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110,000 cars and putting up traffic lights seems like a recipe for gridlock though...
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 8, 2014, 11:24 PM
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The thing is that while 110k cars use it daily, the vast majority begin and end their trips in the downtown. Its a very local connector highway. maybe 10k of those trips actually travel through the downtown. This means that ripping it down won't change much as people can easily shift to other roads or take transit. roughly 1/2 of the use of the road comes from the lakeshore exit, and most of that traffic will be local trips from the east of the city that can be shifted to streetcar trips or something.

an 8 lane road with 3 stop lights as proposed can probably handle around 80-90k.
     
     
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The Record has an interesting article about one particular street that loops through Kitchener and Waterloo that goes through eight different names. They even have a video.

It's Idle Creek- Fairway Cres-Lackner-Bingemans Centre-Shirley-Riverbend-Bridgeport-Caroline. Incidentally, one block away you can get onto Park-Jubilee-Courtland-Fairway Rd-Kossuth and make a complete loop. A map for those interested. Don't try to understand, just accept that KW has the most incomprehensible tangled mess of streets in the country.
Made even better by the fact that few of them run in the direction that their name indicates! Makes giving outsiders directions to anywhere helluva difficult!
     
     
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The thing is that while 110k cars use it daily, the vast majority begin and end their trips in the downtown. Its a very local connector highway. maybe 10k of those trips actually travel through the downtown. This means that ripping it down won't change much as people can easily shift to other roads or take transit. roughly 1/2 of the use of the road comes from the lakeshore exit, and most of that traffic will be local trips from the east of the city that can be shifted to streetcar trips or something.

an 8 lane road with 3 stop lights as proposed can probably handle around 80-90k.
I don't know that this is true. It seems to me that those who benefit most from the east end of the Gardiner would be by-passing the Downtown corridor. Without the Gardiner, it would be difficult for someone living in the Beaches area, or south Scarborough to commute to a job in Etobicoke or Mississauga.

Unless they are going to Spadina, most downtown bound traffic from the Parkway seems to get off at Richmond.

If I were in charge, I'd build an ETR style toll road along the former Scarborough Expressway lands to feed into the Gardiner and downtown. It would finally provide a commuting option for people living in South Scarborough that was faster than 25km/h, and could potentially open up additional economic opportunities for some forgotten neighbourhoods.
     
     
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Using your Scarborough example, the problem is that south Scarborough is really poorly connected to the rest of the city to begin with. The drive to the DVP/Gardiner takes much longer than the actual drive on the freeways. Replacing a small section of the Gardiner with an 8-lane boulevard will probably slow down the trip a bit, however it won't be the most frustrating part of the drive.

There's something wrong with you if you work in Mississauga and choose to live in Scarborough, though. It's not natural.
     
     
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There's something wrong with you if you work in Mississauga and choose to live in Scarborough, though. It's not natural.
It's easy to say that, but with dual income families and career specializations, situations such as this arise.
     
     
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in the end that kind of trip constitutes a very, very small amount, and there are greater benefits to tearing it down than to keeping it up.
     
     
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