Metro Vancouver Transit Discussion

[teriyaki]

Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

This is starting to look like Richmond Centre...

Richmond Centre has been incredibly frustrating for XX years. How you could plan a bus "interchange" where bus stops are that far away from each other in every which direction on multiple streets is just

[cganuelas1995]

Originally Posted by teriyaki

Richmond Centre has been incredibly frustrating for XX years. How you could plan a bus "interchange" where bus stops are that far away from each other in every which direction on multiple streets is just

I remember having to make a mad dash to the bus bay where the 404 was only to miss it.

[ilikeredheads]

Originally Posted by teriyaki

Richmond Centre has been incredibly frustrating for XX years. How you could plan a bus "interchange" where bus stops are that far away from each other in every which direction on multiple streets is just

because richmond hates a proper bus loop. They have always preferred having bus stops spread across several blocks

[Sheba]

Originally Posted by ilikeredheads

because richmond hates a proper bus loop. They have always preferred having bus stops spread across several blocks

That's pretty common for suburban bus loops. I remember when Scottsdale was like that.

[AkariAkaza]

Originally Posted by s211

As has been said numerous times, socialism is a great thing until you run out of other people's money.

This kind of bald-faced social engineering will have the inevitable effect of distorting the housing market, just like 99% of the other planning failures out there.

Mobility pricing isn't socialism, its just a form of taxation

[s211]

Originally Posted by AkariAkaza

Mobility pricing isn't socialism, its just a form of taxation

Socialism, social engineering. Potayto, potahto.

[GenWhy?]

Originally Posted by s211

Socialism, social engineering. Potayto, potahto.

It's actually purely market based. Congestion charging for use per demand.

Now free parking... that's socialism. Which they are also trying to get rid of but yet to say where specifically but it has been an item multiple neighbourhoods have been requesting.

[scottN]

Originally Posted by s211

Socialism, social engineering. Potayto, potahto.

Congestion, mobility pricing and road tolls are all compensating for what would otherwise be an externalized expense. They make the market for road space more fair and raise overall productivity by shifting the market equillibrium to a more optimal point. That's hardly a socialist idea. Gas taxes pay for road construction and maintenance. The more you drive the more you pay for repaving. Tolls pay for bridges.

Building bridges with no tolls is the socialist idea, not the other way around.

[s211]

Originally Posted by scottN

Building bridges with no tolls is the socialist idea, not the other way around.

Then tell that to Horgan, because he must have pissed off a lot of the party intelligentsia when he took the tolls off the Port Mann.

Which, for the record, I will say was a stupid thing to do. I'd pay that toll every day of the week if necessary. It made sense.

[scottN]

Originally Posted by s211

Then tell that to Horgan, because he must have pissed off a lot of the party intelligentsia when he took the tolls off the Port Mann.

Which, for the record, I will say was a stupid thing to do. I'd pay that toll every day of the week if necessary. It made sense.

No I meant that un-tolled bridges are socialist, and that's exactly what Horgan did.

The most beneficial market is a free and fair market. Subsidizing roads leads to more driving and more congestion. Letting people get away with causing congestion without paying the cost of it is just like a subsidy and a congestion tax aims to cancel out that subsidy.

If we used this approach more broadly in our economy, we wouldn't have so many corporations polluting the world to produce cheap junk that we use once and then throw away, polluting the world even more.

[Express691]

Richmond Centre update:

402, 404, 414, N10 to move inside the new loop starting on November 9 for both unloading and loading.

https://alerts.translink.ca/

Also: added to the schedule is a 05:06 Expo Line train from Surrey Central to Waterfront on weekdays. Not that it matters much but that pushes the first arrival downtown from Surrey ahead by around 4 minutes.

[bloomtronzero]

Originally Posted by s211

Then tell that to Horgan, because he must have pissed off a lot of the party intelligentsia when he took the tolls off the Port Mann.

Which, for the record, I will say was a stupid thing to do. I'd pay that toll every day of the week if necessary. It made sense.

I really think there was a missed opportunity with the tolls. Having them to "pay off the bridge" was dumb as rocks, sure, but as a congestion fee it worked well, thinning out traffic.

Given that our system was all computerised, we could've gotten creative. Say, fleet vehicles, or freight vehicles, anything that explicitly has to cross all the time and can't take transit and is important economically, could register for exemption or discounts, while commuters that have options pay. A big argument against it was the unfair burden it put on people that needed to drive work vehicles and such across. If it's all computerised, that shouldn't have been hard to figure something out for. Meanwhile, people that have options can think if they really need to cross and pay the toll. That might also be an unfair burden on south-of-valley folk with poor transit connections, but in an alternate reality where we actually built a Hwy 1 BRT like they teased us with, it would be a lot more reasonable.

[officedweller]

Originally Posted by bloomtronzero

... but as a congestion fee it worked well, thinning out traffic.
...

The stated rationale (in Gateway Program Studies) for the toll at the Port Mann Bridge was for traffic demand management. It was intended to lower usage so that the "free flow' of traffic over the bridge lasted for 35 years, otherwise, the bridge would just become clogged quickly.

[Express691]

Bus Stop removal:

The pilot on route 002 concluded this past Halloween.

As a result of feedback, the stop at 13th has been re-instated in both directions. All other stops are removed and a schedule adjustment is imminent.

[Sheba]

Originally Posted by Express691

Bus Stop removal:

The pilot on route 002 concluded this past Halloween.

As a result of feedback, the stop at 13th has been re-instated in both directions. All other stops are removed and a schedule adjustment is imminent.

For reference:

Translink

[Dengler Avenue]

Originally Posted by Express691

Richmond Centre update:

402, 404, 414, N10 to move inside the new loop starting on November 9 for both unloading and loading.

https://alerts.translink.ca/

Also: added to the schedule is a 05:06 Expo Line train from Surrey Central to Waterfront on weekdays. Not that it matters much but that pushes the first arrival downtown from Surrey ahead by around 4 minutes.

Now just missing 301, 401, 407 short-turns, 416 (C96) and 430
Almost there I think.

[xd_1771]

Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

Now just missing 301, 401, 407 short-turns, 416 (C96) and 430
Almost there I think.

Ew, no way. I would be very upset if the 301's departure point were moved from its current location at Saba Road and into the loop.

It's on the north side of the station and around a corner, but the tradeoff of this is a far quicker exit from downtown Richmond than the previous routing in which buses had to make the right turn onto Westminster from a busy and heavily congested No. 3 Road. We longer distance South-of-Fraser folk are time-sensitive and all aspects considered, would probably rather have the bus bay stay where it is. I've submitted feedback and encourage anyone else on here to do the same.

Plus if I'm not mistaken, with the current set-up of routes, the loop is officially at capacity. Since the City of Richmond did not permit east-side access to the loop from Buswell, there's only one entry and exit point and buses must lay-over in the limited space within the loop. This kind of setup already creates severe congestion and capacity issues at the similarly structured Marine Drive Station loop.

IMO the loop has achieved its primary purpose of bringing any distant bus bays to a point that is adjacent to the station, and I am satisfied with the changes. If anyone is unhappy that more routes aren't boarding within the new loop, direct your blame to the City of Richmond, not TransLink.

[Dengler Avenue]

Since the City of Richmond did not permit east-side access to the loop from Buswell

oh crap...

[dreambrother808]

Originally Posted by rpvan

Opinion: Vancouver's road tolls should be paired with $25 billion of new transit
https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/vancouver-mobility-pricing-road-tolls

I wonder how popular this is or if it’s a quick ticket to losing elections. People here are struggling with affordability in general. We don’t need things to make it worse.

[Migrant_Coconut]

Originally Posted by dreambrother808

I wonder how popular this is or if it’s a quick ticket to losing elections. People here are struggling with affordability in general. We don’t need things to make it worse.

It'll never be popular, but it might be acceptable once more SkyTrains and other commuting options are finished. City Hall rolled out the stick before the carrot was ready.