Downtown Vancouver Updates

[seamusmcduff]

Originally Posted by mcj

Both are great looking buildings, and I'm glad their facades are being kept intact.

Was just trying to point out that heritage conservation tends to be very arbitrary. I think the value that it does add is when it is publicly accessible or visible, as all museums should be.

For me, all that really matters is whether it adds to the public realm. Interiors tend to be renovated enough that it's very uncommon for historic elements and period interiors to be preserved. Interiors are also typically extremely limited in who can view/access them.

In that sense I guess I agree, the attractive exterior which really matters provides a great piece within the Vancouver outdoor museum, if you will.

[FarmerHaight]

Originally Posted by whatnext

Thinking about this, its not really the greatest location for a hotel.

Why? Two blocks from Waterfront, five blocks from the Convention Centre, on the edge of the financial district for business travelers, close to Gastown, B.C. Place, the Art Gallery, etc. for tourists...

If you're concerned about disorder this is two blocks west of Victory Square which is arguably the starting point for Vancouver's more problematic area.

I could also see this new, trendy hotel becoming the hot place to stay for out-of-town Amazon and Deloitte employees since this is two blocks off Georgia.

[FarmerHaight]

Originally Posted by csbvan

Will do wonders to improve the area.

I do wonder if all this development only blocks from Chinatown and Gastown will eventually have the effective of pushing the DTES issues farther east? Gastown is already gentrified but there the two block swatch between Hamilton and Beatty from Georgia to Cordova has not been touched.

All of the Amazon and Deloitte employees will need someplace to live and if they choose downtown the west edge of Chinatown seems ripe for gentrification. Add the future opening of St. Paul's and the (eventual) development of the viaducts plots and you have a lot of new development that will likely spur the redevelopment of the 900 block of main or the blocks surrounding Victory Square.

The Woodward's development is a pretty lonely example of gentrification but maybe it won't feel so alone in a decade or so?

[GenWhy?]

This hotel, the development next door (formwork looks done), and the supposed re-do of the Hydro park a block south of here. It'll be a way better intersection.

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by GenWhy?

This hotel, the development next door (formwork looks done), and the supposed re-do of the Hydro park a block south of here. It'll be a way better intersection.

The Hotel Canada will still be right across the street....

What was that place called when it had the peeler bar anyway?

[Changing City]

Originally Posted by GenWhy?

This hotel, the development next door (formwork looks done), and the supposed re-do of the Hydro park a block south of here. It'll be a way better intersection.

There's more than that too. The development across the street is the first Onni rental, but they have another to build on the 50' lot where the crane is located, and between them there's another rental building behind the preserved facades at 430-440 W Pender. And the parkade a block to the west has an approved Reliance Holdings office tower.

[officedweller]

Originally Posted by whatnext

The Hotel Canada will still be right across the street....

What was that place called when it had the peeler bar anyway?

The Marble Arch

Originally Posted by Otis_Van

It has Ace Hotel vibes:

https://urbantoronto.ca/database/projects/ace-hotel-toronto.15474

That's what I thought too.

The interface with the Lumberman's Building looks a bit odd to me though.
Maybe if the angled brick panels on the podium were on the left side of each window bay instead
(but they are matching what's on the tower above), the same way that the interface on Pender with the
short heritage building is butted up with the brick panels in each window bay,
or if the podium was a floor shorter.

Here it is with the podium brick panels flipped to the other side of the window bays.

[logan5]

Originally Posted by officedweller

Holy sh!t - that is an exact parallel to this in appearance!

I don't think I've ever heard you swear before. Lol.

[Changing City]

Originally Posted by officedweller

Here it is with the podium brick panels flipped to the other side of the window bays.

I think it's a possibility that the brick piers are in front of the columns that hold the building up, and your redesign just made the building unstable and the engineer resign in protest, (but that's just a guess).

[officedweller]

Originally Posted by Changing City

I think it's a possibility that the brick piers are in front of the columns that hold the building up, and your redesign just made the building unstable and the engineer resign in protest, (but that's just a guess).

Yeah, could be - I had thought of it from a cladding perspective.

[jollyburger]

Originally Posted by officedweller

Yeah, could be - I had thought of it from a cladding perspective.

I looked at the floor plan for the hotel levels and I assume there are no columns behind those sections but they are those narrow columns in the walls between the rooms?

[officedweller]

Originally Posted by jollyburger

I looked at the floor plan for the hotel levels and I assume there are no columns behind those sections but they are those narrow columns in the walls between the rooms?

Thanks.
Yes, just cladding.
They nest or skew differently on different facades and on the tower versus podium.
Also note the 2 lightwells - on the west side with the new office block at Seymour and on the corner with the Lumberman's Building.


https://rezoning.vancouver.ca/applicatio...-509-richards-st/application-booklet.pdf


https://rezoning.vancouver.ca/applicatio...-509-richards-st/application-booklet.pdf


I wonder how the UDP will react to the brick going so high up and whether they think it will be overbearing?
I'm kind of thinking that.
But on the flip side, I'm glad it's not spandrel up top.
A more typical approach would have been brick for the podium and glass and spandrel (or metal panel) above.

It reminds me a bit of that stacked project on West 2nd in OV for having brick high up.
... and I just realized that it's also giving me 'The Independent' vibes with brick variations.

It's also nice that it's filling out the entire block, without any orphan sites.


https://rezoning.vancouver.ca/applicatio...-509-richards-st/application-booklet.pdf

[Jimbo604]

Originally Posted by csbvan

The Mini-Stack.

Lol so funny. Great comment.

[s211]

Originally Posted by madog222

Yup it's going to be a tight fit, 60sqft per room average.

That's not a hotel, it's a prison.

And yes, don't start with the "yeah, but in Japan......". The last time I looked out the window here...

[Changing City]

Originally Posted by s211

That's not a hotel, it's a prison.

And yes, don't start with the "yeah, but in Japan......". The last time I looked out the window here...

Read the posts. They're 60 sq metres.

[jollyburger]

Originally Posted by s211

That's not a hotel, it's a prison.

And yes, don't start with the "yeah, but in Japan......". The last time I looked out the window here...

Toronto Ace

Small 220-260, Medium 250-310, Large 355.

Small are $435 a night

https://acehotel.com/toronto/rooms/small/

[jollyburger]

Originally Posted by csbvan

The Mini-Stack.

Toronto-based architectsAlliance is serving as the architect of the project, and the design of the building looks vaguely akin to that of The Stack, Oxford Properties’ office building in Vancouver that has features a box-atop-a-box look.

https://storeys.com/fairmont-hotel-vancouver-larco-hospitality-office-building-addition/

[csbvan]

Well I guess I wasn't alone in thinking that

[trofirhen]

Growth is growth, but I'm a little bit disappointed that it in no way echoes, even subtly, the design of the Hotel Vancouver. To me, it clashes somewhat, but that's just an opinion.

[mcminsen]

Originally Posted by mcminsen

Jan.14 '23, my pic

Seven weeks later...





March 5 '23, my pics