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Old Posted Mar 3, 2023, 5:48 PM
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The decision to go for office space instead of hotel rooms was probably a no-brainer when they started work on this 1-2 years ago. The office market has not moved in their favour unfortunately.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 3, 2023, 7:43 PM
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516 W Pender rezoning; hotel replacing the parking garage at the west corner of Pender & Richards.

32 storey building with full retention of the 1912 built Lumbermen's Building (509 Richards); facade of the 1909 Captain Pybus Building (534 Pender) integrated into the new building.
-578 room hotel
-44k sqft of office space in the Lumbermen's building and the top floor of the new building.

https://www.shapeyourcity.ca/516-534-w-pender-st-and-509-richards-st


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Old Posted Mar 3, 2023, 7:57 PM
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516 W Pender rezoning; hotel replacing the parking garage at the west corner of Pender & Richards.

31 storey building with full retention of the 1912 built Lumbermen's Building (509 Richards); facade of the 1909 Captain Pybus Building (534 Pender) integrated into the new building.
-578 room hotel
-44k sqft of office space in the Lumbermen's building and the top floor of the new building.
This is awesome? I love the retention and the new built form.
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Old Posted Mar 3, 2023, 7:58 PM
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Love it! Great to see a Parkade being replaced, and that the Lumbermans building is fully being retained.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 3, 2023, 8:00 PM
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This is awesome? I love the retention and the new built form.
This looks fantastic! 578 hotel rooms is a lot - my guess is this might be an Ace hotel.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 3, 2023, 8:09 PM
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This looks fantastic! 578 hotel rooms is a lot - my guess is this might be an Ace hotel.
Yup it's going to be a tight fit, 60sqft per room average.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 3, 2023, 8:30 PM
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Yup it's going to be a tight fit, 60sqft per room average.
Er, no. 60 sq metres. Over 600 sq. ft. It has 578 rooms, 433,471 sq. ft of hotel space)
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Old Posted Mar 3, 2023, 8:33 PM
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Love it! Great to see a Parkade being replaced, and that the Lumbermans building is fully being retained.
Interesting to see they're going with "146 vehicle parking spaces and 91 bicycle parking spaces"

With an average of 200sq. ft per office worker, that means you get about 220 office workers, and 146 parking spaces.

I like this trend - discourage office workers from driving-in, and move them to using public transit where possible; share the parking between the office use where it is necessary (there always will be some need), commercial, and hotel. Then maybe the remainder is managed rental parking?
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 3, 2023, 8:59 PM
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516 W Pender rezoning; hotel replacing the parking garage at the west corner of Pender & Richards.

32 storey building with full retention of the 1912 built Lumbermen's Building (509 Richards); facade of the 1909 Captain Pybus Building (534 Pender) integrated into the new building.
-578 room hotel, 60 sqft per room average.
-44k sqft of office space in the Lumbermen's building and the top floor of the new building.

https://www.shapeyourcity.ca/516-534-w-pender-st-and-509-richards-st


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I was wondering how long it would be till someone leaked that one out

It has a really nice public realm too, at least if it's the same one I'm thinking of. Still, given the shortage Vancouver's experiencing, I doubt it'll offer much competition with Pacific Centre's plans, there's room enough for everyone these days.
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Sounds like we're all on the same page here

And yes plenty of room in the sandbox for everyone!
Guess this is what Feathered Friend and LeftCoaster were talking about. It indeed has a very nice public realm!
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 3, 2023, 9:16 PM
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What's the significance of the small heritage retention on Pender? Unlike the Lumbermens Bldg it doesn't seem worth saving or is there some story of significance?
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 3, 2023, 9:26 PM
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What's the significance of the small heritage retention on Pender? Unlike the Lumbermens Bldg it doesn't seem worth saving or is there some story of significance?
It's only the façade being retained, which if the building isn't publicly accessible is really the only thing of heritage worth retaining imo.

The significance is that it managed to be registered as a heritage building by someone at some point in time, and like most heritage buildings it's completely arbitrary as to why and why we need to retain it.

My question to you is why is the Lumbermens Building worth retaining?
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 3, 2023, 9:32 PM
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Er, no. 60 sq metres. Over 600 sq. ft. It has 578 rooms, 433,471 sq. ft of hotel space)
Jeez I really need to look closer to the statistics charts
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 3, 2023, 10:04 PM
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It's only the façade being retained, which if the building isn't publicly accessible is really the only thing of heritage worth retaining imo.

The significance is that it managed to be registered as a heritage building by someone at some point in time, and like most heritage buildings it's completely arbitrary as to why and why we need to retain it.

My question to you is why is the Lumbermens Building worth retaining?
I won't address whether either façade is architecturally significant. But from a pedestrian's perspective, I love older facades because they often address the sidewalk at a human scale. Even new builds like Deloitte Summit that try to address the sidewalk often have long stretches of cold, solid glass façade and I would much rather walk down a street with historic street fronts.

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I like this trend - discourage office workers from driving-in, and move them to using public transit where possible; share the parking between the office use where it is necessary (there always will be some need), commercial, and hotel. Then maybe the remainder is managed rental parking?
Since this location is two blocks from Waterfront there is no reason most employees shouldn't be able to take transit to work. The great thing about Waterfront is it pulls commuters in from all directions: south from Richmond, East from Burnaby and Surrey, farther east from Maple Ridge, and north from North Van. It's harder for employees who work in Gastown because that neighborhood is really only effectively served by the Canada Line.

I wouldn't be surprised if the hotel tenant only has enough parking for some employees. Urban hotels in plenty of cities (I'm thinking of my recent trips to the Ace and A.C. hotels in Portland) do not have dedicated parking and instead rely on visitors using transit or parking in 3rd-party lots.
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Old Posted Mar 3, 2023, 10:19 PM
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It's only the façade being retained, which if the building isn't publicly accessible is really the only thing of heritage worth retaining imo.

The significance is that it managed to be registered as a heritage building by someone at some point in time, and like most heritage buildings it's completely arbitrary as to why and why we need to retain it.

My question to you is why is the Lumbermens Building worth retaining?
Historicplaces.ca sums up the significance of the Lumbermen’s Building pretty well:
https://www.historicplaces.ca/en/rep-reg/place-lieu.aspx?id=2048

Edited to add: while the Pybus building on Oender has some interesting early Vancouver figures connected with it, it’s not that interesting or historic architecturally:
https://evelazarus.com/captain-pybus-and-vancouvers-st-clair-hotel/
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 3, 2023, 10:23 PM
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I'm baffled that anyone would suggest that this might not be worth retaining/heritage status? Even if there's no historical significance to it, it's a damn nice building.

https://www.google.com/maps/@49.2830737,...zjNF8yOZxO6mAj4meLjbQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 3, 2023, 10:36 PM
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Historicplaces.ca sums up the significance of the Lumbermen’s Building pretty well:
https://www.historicplaces.ca/en/rep-reg/place-lieu.aspx?id=2048

Edited to add: while the Pybus building on Oender has some interesting early Vancouver figures connected with it, it’s not that interesting or historic architecturally:
https://evelazarus.com/captain-pybus-and-vancouvers-st-clair-hotel/
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I'm baffled that anyone would suggest that this might not be worth retaining/heritage status? Even if there's no historical significance to it, it's a damn nice building.

https://www.google.com/maps/@49.2830737,...zjNF8yOZxO6mAj4meLjbQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
Both are great looking buildings, and I'm glad their facades are being kept intact.

Was just trying to point out that heritage conservation tends to be very arbitrary. I think the value that it does add is when it is publicly accessible or visible, as all museums should be.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 3, 2023, 10:42 PM
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Both are great looking buildings, and I'm glad their facades are being kept intact.

Was just trying to point out that heritage conservation tends to be very arbitrary. I think the value that it does add is when it is publicly accessible or visible, as all museums should be.
Whoops, just realized I had the wrong Pybus Building. So the small one being saved is even less interesting architecturally than I thought! it's just a pretty common style of two story building from early Vancouver, unlike the Lumbermens Building which is much more unique.

Thinking about this, its not really the greatest location for a hotel.

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Old Posted Mar 3, 2023, 10:51 PM
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Jeez I really need to look closer to the statistics charts
Maybe you were secretly hoping for one of these?

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Old Posted Mar 3, 2023, 10:58 PM
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I guess I'll just join the choir! Great stuff. The building looks good and is a great fit for the area. Love that there is a TRUE heritage preservation or the Lumbermen's, nice bonus retention on the Cartems building facade. Entrance looks great. A restaurant half-way up. Low parking ratio....Will do wonders to improve the area.
     
     
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