Public Disorder & the Decline of Vancouver's Livability

[Migrant_Coconut]

Originally Posted by Vin

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We all lived through 2017... when as mentioned last afternoon, we had a murder literally on the seawall, and yet it was still as busy as ever the following day.

Crime has gone up. The city hasn't gone down. Stop kidding yourself by saying every single headline is a reason to vote ABC/Con/PPC or build a labour camp out in the woods, definitely none of which will solve anything.

[MIPS]

Originally Posted by SpongeG

all residents in the housing closing down have been rehoused and that is the goal of these sites and to remind people that all these sites are only temporary it's even in the name.

It's a scapegoat.
The Plaza of Nations was temporary for Expo 86, but most of it hung around until the canopy was forced to be demolished due to structural conditions and up to that point had remained a popular venue.

Temporary bike lanes in Stanley Park were another one, until they tried to leverage that into being permanent too.

"The Words Don't Fit The Picture" was temporary, but it hung around for a decade.

Concord Pacific's offices on the flats is "temporary" until site development starts. (I'll still believe that when I see it. How long has it been now?)

There's been a number of temporary installations that either long outlived their purpose or were as quietly as possible made permanent.
If they could of gotten away with it we'd be talking about them in 25 years, hopefully not for problems like mold or worn out structures. I'd rather be paying to see permanent purpose-built housing built rather than stacked trailers in a parking lot.

[Changing City]

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

We all lived through 2017... when as mentioned last afternoon, we had a murder literally on the seawall, and yet it was still as busy as ever the following day.

Crime has gone up. The city hasn't gone down. Stop kidding yourself by saying every single headline is a reason to vote ABC/Con/PPC or build a labour camp out in the woods, definitely none of which will solve anything.

Actually, compared to 20 years ago (for example) crime is significantly less in Vancouver. 2022 crime rates were very slightly higher than in 2021, but per capita, in 2022 there were 60.5 crimes/1,000 people, in 2021 there were 74.6 and in 2002 117.8.

Violent crime is also down, there were 8.7/1,000 population last year, compared to 10.2 in 2012 and 11.4 in 2002. The average homicide rate in the past 20 years is 15.5 a year. Last year there were 13. (More people are killed in traffic accidents than murdered in the city). Stats here.

[whatnext]

Another day another Granville Street stabbing but not to worry we've all been assured by our resident experts this is no change from pre-Covid.

1 hospitalized after stabbing in downtown Vancouver
Pubblished July 20, 2023 7:36 a.m. PDT

A man has been hospitalized following a stabbing in downtown Vancouver Wednesday night.

Vancouver police say the victim was attacked around 8:30 p.m. near the intersection of Granville and Robson streets.

The man was taken to hospital with injuries—the extent of which are unknown—according to a spokesperson for the Vancouver Police Department.

Sgt. Steve Addison told CTV News that no arrests have been made and the motive for the stabbing isn’t known at this time.

https://bc.ctvnews.ca/1-hospitalized-after-stabbing-in-downtown-vancouver-1.6487226

[SpongeG]

all things aside, society has changed covid or not, things have gotten crazy, just one example, a teacher in the States took away a switch or some device from a 14-year-old student in her class and he beat her unconscious, there is some shocking video of it, that's not normal to react that way. And you can find examples of this kind of thing happening on a daily basis.

[cganuelas1995]

Originally Posted by whatnext

Another day another Granville Street stabbing but not to worry we've all been assured by our resident experts this is no change from pre-Covid.

1 hospitalized after stabbing in downtown Vancouver
Pubblished July 20, 2023 7:36 a.m. PDT

A man has been hospitalized following a stabbing in downtown Vancouver Wednesday night.

Vancouver police say the victim was attacked around 8:30 p.m. near the intersection of Granville and Robson streets.

The man was taken to hospital with injuries—the extent of which are unknown—according to a spokesperson for the Vancouver Police Department.

Sgt. Steve Addison told CTV News that no arrests have been made and the motive for the stabbing isn’t known at this time.

https://bc.ctvnews.ca/1-hospitalized-after-stabbing-in-downtown-vancouver-1.6487226

Life imitates art and art imitates life. In this case, it's Vancouver and GTA Online imitating each other

[giallo]

The real issue with continually stabbings like these in downtown is perception.

Five years ago, I'd never hear people say that they don't go downtown anymore because it's too dangerous. Now? It's a constant thing I hear from friends in the burbs and comments online.

Downtown Vancouver is still a bustling place, and I'm there all of the time, but the longer these kind of stories dominate the headlines, the harder it will be for the city's downtown reputation to recover. The crowds are there right now, but how's it going to look a few years from now?

The longer it persists, the more of a PR nightmare it will become.

Originally Posted by whatnext

Another day another Granville Street stabbing but not to worry we've all been assured by our resident experts this is no change from pre-Covid.

1 hospitalized after stabbing in downtown Vancouver
Pubblished July 20, 2023 7:36 a.m. PDT

A man has been hospitalized following a stabbing in downtown Vancouver Wednesday night.

Vancouver police say the victim was attacked around 8:30 p.m. near the intersection of Granville and Robson streets.

The man was taken to hospital with injuries—the extent of which are unknown—according to a spokesperson for the Vancouver Police Department.

Sgt. Steve Addison told CTV News that no arrests have been made and the motive for the stabbing isn’t known at this time.

https://bc.ctvnews.ca/1-hospitalized-after-stabbing-in-downtown-vancouver-1.6487226

[logan5]

These “random attacks” are super click baity, so as soon as an outlet like Daily Hive hears about it, it’s their headline. And they end up all over social media. Maybe these incidents are up, but they are also sensationalized like crazy on the internet.

I myself haven’t heard anyone say they don’t go downtown anymore. There are 120 000 people living downtown. It’s still safe imo.

[giallo]

Originally Posted by logan5

I myself haven’t heard anyone say they don’t go downtown anymore. There are 120 000 people living downtown. It’s still safe imo.

It's still safe. I never feel scared or at risk down there, but these headlines aren't doing the peninsula any favours.

My friends and family that comment about downtown turning into a no-go zone are all parents with kids, so that might play into it as well.

[CanSpice]

Originally Posted by logan5

It’s still safe imo.

It's increasingly less safe for people who have no homes downtown and have to live on the streets, but I don't suspect that that's the sort of "it's not safe downtown" narrative people are pushing.

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by logan5

These “random attacks” are super click baity, so as soon as an outlet like Daily Hive hears about it, it’s their headline. And they end up all over social media. Maybe these incidents are up, but they are also sensationalized like crazy on the internet.

I myself haven’t heard anyone say they don’t go downtown anymore. There are 120 000 people living downtown. It’s still safe imo.

I'm sure you'd feel it was clickbaitey if it was your spouse or parent who got randomly stabbed or smacked on the head with a pipe.

[chowhou]

Originally Posted by CanSpice

It's increasingly less safe for people who have no homes downtown and have to live on the streets, but I don't suspect that that's the sort of "it's not safe downtown" narrative people are pushing.

The streets have never, ever been safe for homeless people. That's nothing new and a real issue in of itself, but no not really what people mean when they talk about the obvious impending societal collapse of downtown.

Originally Posted by whatnext

I'm sure you'd feel it was clickbaitey if it was your spouse or parent who got randomly stabbed or smacked on the head with a pipe.

Lmfao okay. I'd also appreciate it if DailyHive wrote an article on how cute my dog is but that wouldn't make it good journalism.

[Migrant_Coconut]

Originally Posted by logan5

These “random attacks” are super click baity, so as soon as an outlet like Daily Hive hears about it, it’s their headline. And they end up all over social media. Maybe these incidents are up, but they are also sensationalized like crazy on the internet.

I myself haven’t heard anyone say they don’t go downtown anymore. There are 120 000 people living downtown. It’s still safe imo.

Originally Posted by giallo

It's still safe. I never feel scared or at risk down there, but these headlines aren't doing the peninsula any favours.

My friends and family that comment about downtown turning into a no-go zone are all parents with kids, so that might play into it as well.

Eeyup. The collective awareness/fear of fungus is at an all-time high, but nobody's suggesting that BBC, videogames or an HBO show should change public policy or behaviour.

Originally Posted by whatnext

Another day another Granville Street stabbing but not to worry we've all been assured by our resident experts this is no change from pre-Covid.

Some posters have better long-term memory and perspective than others, while others are easily lured by trends. For example, I recall a certain hot take that after the pandemic, nobody would take transit anymore - that one's aged like sour milk.

[s211]

Originally Posted by giallo

It's still safe. I never feel scared or at risk down there, but these headlines aren't doing the peninsula any favours.

Presuming your not female or a senior, but ask any female or senior how safe they feel sometime.

Y'know, it's not always about yourself!

[giallo]

Originally Posted by s211

Presuming your not female or a senior, but ask any female or senior how safe they feel sometime.

Y'know, it's not always about yourself!

That's true.

[Migrant_Coconut]

The last few attacks have been 20-30 something males, so the stabbers clearly don't care whether or not you're a traditionally "weaker" target.

[whatnext]

Gee, and we wonder why there's a shortage of paramedics:

Man arrested after pulling knife on paramedics, Vancouver police say
Staff
Published July 20, 2023 7:33 p.m. PDT

A man who allegedly pulled a knife on paramedics was arrested in downtown Vancouver Thursday evening by police officers who surrounded the ambulance with weapons drawn.

In a statement, a spokesperson for the Vancouver Police Department said paramedics were taking the man to the hospital when he “became agitated” and pulled out the knife.

“The paramedics evacuated the ambulance and called for emergency cover. Our officers responded immediately and arrested the suspect. Nobody was injured and the suspect remains in custody. We will be recommending criminal charges,” an emailed statement to CTV news said.

The incident unfolded just before 6 p.m. at Robson and Burrard Streets. The back doors of the ambulance were open and seven officers could be seen communicating with someone inside of it....

https://bc.ctvnews.ca/man-arrested-after...utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter

[trofirhen]

Homelessness, not only in Vancouver, but in nearly all major cities, is a looming spectre, getting worse and worse. Let's look at how they tackle the problem in Finland.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPh4PN8e0ds

[Zepfancouver]

Today Shots fired
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Part 2, He's alive

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In this clip, 30 seconds before the gun shots a possible witness police would like to speak with.

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Post it online and police are at your door quick. Good thing she posted it on YouTube the moment she arrived home.
A police quote "If you let us take the chip, there is no issue with you"

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[s211]

My gracious, the decay-deniers on this forum are just as bad as climate-change deniers.