Stadiums & Arenas of Canada, Part 3 - Page 398

thurmas · #**7941** Posted **Jul 10, 2023, 5:22 PM**

50 million would likely just mean some new seats some minor concourse and suites improvements definitely not enough for reclading the exterior and doing roof improvements.

Hawrylyshyn · #**7942** Posted **Jul 10, 2023, 5:48 PM**

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Originally Posted by thurmas

50 million would likely just mean some new seats some minor concourse and suites improvements definitely not enough for reclading the exterior and doing roof improvements.

They've been very weird, it's always "they're investing at least 50 million", so is it 50 million? 100 million? Who knows. More clarity from the development team would be fantastic.

But it is Hamilton, so I'm sure it'll end up half-baked

logan5 · #**7943** Posted **Jul 17, 2023, 12:05 AM**

Burnaby is looking to invest up to 170 million dollars to rebuild Swangard Stadium. This is a huge opportunity for the Whitecaps to partner with the City of Burnaby and build an MLS stadium.

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/swan...pgrade-burnaby

thurmas · #**7944** Posted **Jul 17, 2023, 12:35 AM**

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Originally Posted by logan5

Burnaby is looking to invest up to 170 million dollars to rebuild Swangard Stadium. This is a huge opportunity for the Whitecaps to partner with the City of Burnaby and build an MLS stadium.

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/swan...pgrade-burnaby

170 is way too low to attract Whitecaps or Lions to make it a suitable stadium especially with costs in the GVA

logan5 · #**7945** Posted **Jul 17, 2023, 12:43 AM**

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Originally Posted by thurmas

170 is way too low to attract Whitecaps or Lions to make it a suitable stadium especially with costs in the GVA

Correct. That's why I said the Whitecaps should partner with Burnaby. The land is owned by the City of Burnaby. There would be no land acquisition cost.

thurmas · #**7946** Posted **Jul 17, 2023, 12:57 AM**

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Correct. That's why I said the Whitecaps should partner with Burnaby. The land is owned by the City of Burnaby. There would be no land acquisition cost.

I always hear Kerfoot who owns the caps is extremely cheap though. I doubt lions will move as they just moved their offices from surrey to downtown Vancouver this year

logan5 · #**7947** Posted **Jul 17, 2023, 1:10 AM**

He was proposing to build a waterfront stadium a while back, using his own money, so maybe he would be willing to kick in 100 mill or so to build in Burnaby.

It's a good area that is densely populated and served by a Skytrain Station. The eastern stands would have a great view of the city, and both stands would have mountain views.

J.OT13 · #**7948** Posted **Jul 17, 2023, 3:09 AM**

Why? Lions and Whitecaps have a suitable stadium at BC Place. Why build a new one and then have a massive empty stadium downtown? We don't want another Montreal with four stadiums, half of them empty.

logan5 · #**7949** Posted **Jul 17, 2023, 2:14 PM**

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Why? Lions and Whitecaps have a suitable stadium at BC Place. Why build a new one and then have a massive empty stadium downtown? We don't want another Montreal with four stadiums, half of them empty.

Because BC Place sucks for soccer, especially on a warm July evening. The new roof is an improvement, but the atmosphere is just terrible.

jonny24 · #**7950** Posted **Jul 18, 2023, 12:34 PM**

Kinda crazy that ~150-170 million gets you 2 10k grandstands, vs $140 million for THF 10 years ago.

Edit: But maybe this helps Vancouver MLR get started

MalcolmTucker · #**7951** Posted **Jul 18, 2023, 3:21 PM**

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Originally Posted by jonny24

Kinda crazy that ~150-170 million gets you 2 10k grandstands, vs $140 million for THF 10 years ago.

Edit: But maybe this helps Vancouver MLR get started

The $170 million option includes 550-600 underground parking spots. The $153 million option includes 420-500 underground spots. Right now the stadium has 167 surface spots.

Here is the cost breakdown:

Basically, $6,600 per seat (covered grandstand with a real seat), $57,400 per parking spot.

The full study is here: https://pub-burnaby.escribemeetings....cumentId=69144

Djeffery · #**7952** Posted **Jul 18, 2023, 3:25 PM**

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Originally Posted by jonny24

Kinda crazy that ~150-170 million gets you 2 10k grandstands, vs $140 million for THF 10 years ago.

Edit: But maybe this helps Vancouver MLR get started

Even worse, as I believe those are 5k grandstands, for 10k total. The cost of the one side would be quite high though to put 500-600 underground parking spots on 2 levels under it as well.

J.OT13 · #**7953** Posted **Jul 18, 2023, 6:44 PM**

How do the transportation logistics work on Tim Hortons Field anyway? It's in the middle of a residential neighbourhood with narrow streets and little parking.

blueandgoldguy · #**7954** Posted **Jul 18, 2023, 7:10 PM**

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Originally Posted by J.OT13

Why? Lions and Whitecaps have a suitable stadium at BC Place. Why build a new one and then have a massive empty stadium downtown? We don't want another Montreal with four stadiums, half of them empty.

It would only be suitable if the revenue streams were adequate. As it stands I believe the Whitecaps do not get any revenues from concessions, limited or no revenues from in stadium advertising, and only a portion of the suite revenue. I don't think they receive any revenue from parking or concerts. These are some of the reasons Vancouver had, by far, the lowest revenues of all the MLS teams - $21 million US.

A new stadium (with a greater percentage of high end seating options) with control of all the revenue streams would eliminate any concerns over the long-term financial viability of the club.

Horus · #**7955** Posted **Jul 20, 2023, 1:13 PM**

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How do the transportation logistics work on Tim Hortons Field anyway? It's in the middle of a residential neighbourhood with narrow streets and little parking.

However it works, it's worked for some 75 years going back to Ivor Wynne Stadium.

I've been to a handful of games at IWS (mostly Labour Day Classics) and I always parked down the street at the mall, about a 15min walk away. I did see many local residents renting out their driveways and lawns to fans for parking. It just works. I'm sure most regulars have their 'spots' where they park to get to games.

jonny24 · #**7956** Posted **Jul 20, 2023, 1:42 PM**

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How do the transportation logistics work on Tim Hortons Field anyway? It's in the middle of a residential neighbourhood with narrow streets and little parking.

-Ticats Express- there's three or four HRS shuttle busses that run from mall parking lots at various end of the city, that are free to ride (I think you're supposed to have a game ticket) so you can park in a big lot and bus down. They close Cannon to traffic so the busses can let people off right in front, and they're lined up there to leave shortly before the end of the game.

-Team lots, mostly on industrial sites to the north

-Local businesses renting out their lots. Some run it themselves, like mechanic shops etc, some coordinate with other groups - I used to park at a bank that had paired up with the church next door, volunteers ran the parking and the church got the money.

-The classic "park on the lawn" - squeeze anywhere you can. My neighbour manages to get like 6 cars on his.

Innsertnamehere · #**7957** Posted **Jul 20, 2023, 2:59 PM**

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How do the transportation logistics work on Tim Hortons Field anyway? It's in the middle of a residential neighbourhood with narrow streets and little parking.

HSR runs shuttles from lots further away (eastgate mall, etc.) - neighbours sell parking spots on their front lawns, and nearby plazas sell spots in their parking lots as well. There are also some large vacant industrial lots north of the stadium which open for parking on game days like this lot and this lot.

Basically parking is done through a huge range of different solutions with area landowners cashing in for it. The city also tolerates by-law infractions like front lawn parking on game days.

J.OT13 · #**7958** Posted **Jul 20, 2023, 3:52 PM**

Lot going on, but if it works, it works!

Ottawa By-law never tolerates anything. They have a field day any time we have a major event. Shouldn't say they never tolerate everything. They tolerated the Freedom Convoy in winter 2022. Only people who still received tickets were locals.

EpicPonyTime · #**7959** Posted **Jul 20, 2023, 4:47 PM**

I feel like Regina cracked down on lawn parking several years ago, because I recall it being much more prevalent back in the day. I honestly miss the atmosphere it brought to the neighborhoods around Taylor Field; sort of made it feel like an exciting community event. I imagine it was different if you lived there.

Innsertnamehere · #**7960** Posted **Jul 20, 2023, 4:54 PM**

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Originally Posted by J.OT13

Lot going on, but if it works, it works!

Ottawa By-law never tolerates anything. They have a field day any time we have a major event. Shouldn't say they never tolerate everything. They tolerated the Freedom Convoy in winter 2022. Only people who still received tickets were locals.

Hamilton By-law is famously lax in most manners - property maintenance standards are rarely enforced, and Hamilton has an ingrained culture of people parking on street in the oncoming direction all the time despite it technically being against by-law, just like the 12-hour on street parking rule, which is complaint based enforcement only. Even metered parking enforcement, while it exists, is generally minimal compared to other large cities like Toronto where meter-maids are everywhere.