YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion

[osirisboy]

When is air Canada getting additional planes

[madog222]

Still two more 789 to come, one this year and one next I believe. In 2025 the A321XLR start coming which should free up some widebodies for YVR.
In the meantime:

Air Canada Works To Fill Gaps Caused By A321XLR Delays

Deliveries of Air Canada’s Airbus A321XLRs have been pushed to 2025 and the airline is opting to lease aircraft to fill voids created by the delays.

...

To solve the issues created by delays in deliveries, Air Canada has tapped the leasing market for interim lift. The airline has “found numerous good aircraft … that can get us over this hump where aircraft deliveries are coming later than we initially anticipated,” Galardo said. “So we were able to source quite a few A321 aircraft.”

Air Canada has also sourced a couple of A330s that are joining the fleet soon, he said.

The aircraft Air Canada is sourcing from the leasing market “will help us with our capacity needs and with the global supply chain issues that we are all facing,” Galardo said. Canada’s largest airline is also examining options for additional interim lift in 2024 and 2025, he added.

From Lori Ranson, Aviation News, 4 Jun 2023 https://aviationweek.com/air-transport/location/air-canada-works-fill-gaps-caused-a321xlr-delays

[connect2source]

Originally Posted by osirisboy

When is air Canada getting additional planes

Some were speculating a 20 787-9 order to be announced at the Paris Airshow but nothing yet.

[Johnny Aussie]

Air France now flying 359s daily to CDG.

https://m.facebook.com/VancouverInternationalAirport

Paris. Everyday of the week.

Just in time for your getaway to Europe, Air France is now flying daily from Vancouver to Paris! Plus, starting today, flights will be onboard their incredible A350 aircraft. Arrive to the City of Lights in style all summer long.

[Denscity]

Sick. Daily Paris on a 350.

[nname]

Looks like AM is planning a 4th daily flight (an earlier red-eye) for YVR-MEX during the peak W23 season from mid-Dec to mid-Jan. Flight number for the new flight is AM602/603. The new flight will stay on the ground at YVR for about 4 hours.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Air France now flying 359s daily to CDG.

https://m.facebook.com/VancouverInternationalAirport

Paris. Everyday of the week.

Just in time for your getaway to Europe, Air France is now flying daily from Vancouver to Paris! Plus, starting today, flights will be onboard their incredible A350 aircraft. Arrive to the City of Lights in style all summer long.

Originally Posted by Denscity

Sick. Daily Paris on a 350.

Interesting, and validating. Before AF was awarded YVR landing rights, AMS and FRA were considered the main continental European destinations (LHR is on a scale all its own) but anyway, CDG was considered "iffy." Look at it now, considering this A350 daily service, and the load that entails. Vive la France!

[Klazu]

In the past decade and a bit, Air France has never come up as competitive optipn whenever we fly to Europe. Maybe it is the leg to HEL pushing up their prices, but never have I been even close to flying with them.

Maybe I am missing out, as both AF and CDG scored very high on the 2033 Skytrax awards.

[LeftCoaster]

Originally Posted by nname

Looks like AM is planning a 4th daily flight (an earlier red-eye) for YVR-MEX during the peak W23 season from mid-Dec to mid-Jan. Flight number for the new flight is AM602/603. The new flight will stay on the ground at YVR for about 4 hours.

Is that a 4th daily for 28 per week? Or just a 4th on like a Saturday or something?

If that's 28x per week plus ACs 7x for 35x in total that's incredible.

Come on MTY or GDL!

[nname]

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

Is that a 4th daily for 28 per week? Or just a 4th on like a Saturday or something?

28 per week from Dec 14 to Jan 14.

[LeftCoaster]

Ahh makes sense. Probably a good mix of sun flying connections and the relatively recent Latin diaspora in Vancouver visiting home for the holidays.

[msmariner]

Originally Posted by nname

Looks like AM is planning a 4th daily flight (an earlier red-eye) for YVR-MEX during the peak W23 season from mid-Dec to mid-Jan. Flight number for the new flight is AM602/603. The new flight will stay on the ground at YVR for about 4 hours.

It’s interesting YVR can support 5 daily flights (4xAM 1xAC), but Westjet has zero flights from YYC or even YVR. There is a larger Latin American population in Alberta (66,000 vs 65,000) plus other prairie provinces. You would think they would try YYC-MEX to tap into this market. I wonder if the high altitude of both of the airports has anything to do with it? Ps… sorry about this question on the YVR thread

[LeftCoaster]

The latin population has absolutely exploded in BC over the last few years. Our internal demo studies suggest it has grown from ~60k back in the 2016 census to over 100k today. And that doesn't take into account the huge population attending language schools on a temporary basis.

All you need to do is stand downtown Vancouver for about 10 minutes and you'll hear a lot of Spanish.

Between that and tourism I'd say that's why you see the big difference in flights.

[Denscity]

Ya I’ve experienced that in Vancouver as well and it isn’t just people from Mexico either it’s also South Americans now living there.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

The latin population has absolutely exploded in BC over the last few years. Our internal demo studies suggest it has grown from ~60k back in the 2016 census to over 100k today. And that doesn't take into account the huge population attending language schools on a temporary basis.

All you need to do is stand downtown Vancouver for about 10 minutes and you'll hear a lot of Spanish.

Between that and tourism I'd say that's why you see the big difference in flights.

Originally Posted by Denscity

Ya I’ve experienced that in Vancouver as well and it isn’t just people from Mexico either it’s also South Americans now living there.

Given all that, maybe we will in fact see MTY (which YYZ just got, I believe) or GDL (which both SEA and PDX already have) as well as a long-awaited flight to South America. (BOG? ... GrU? ...)

[hehehe]

Originally Posted by msmariner

It’s interesting YVR can support 5 daily flights (4xAM 1xAC), but Westjet has zero flights from YYC or even YVR. There is a larger Latin American population in Alberta (66,000 vs 65,000) plus other prairie provinces. You would think they would try YYC-MEX to tap into this market. I wonder if the high altitude of both of the airports has anything to do with it? Ps… sorry about this question on the YVR thread

Well I'm assuming the yields aren't quite there to justify the route. I personally think YYC-MEX will eventually happen but obviously it's not worth any airline's time at the current moment. WS will probably have another go at the route eventually.

[YVR Bruce]

With 3-4 daily AeroMex 37s it seems the longstanding AC (/CP) service is fading to the background.

Perhaps it's time for an AC 787 stub-service over YVR-MEX. Distance is approx 250nm less than YHZ; more like YOW or EWR. And there appears to be quite a wealthy crowd to carry - who might enjoy widebody J and PremEcon

[hollywoodnorth]

just to confirm .... AC fly's 787/777's on these YVR North American routes

YYZ (787+777)
YHZ (787)
YUL (787+777)
EWR (787)

correct? do they ever fly a 787 to LAS on busy weekends?

[nname]

Originally Posted by hollywoodnorth

just to confirm .... AC fly's 787/777's on these YVR North American routes

YYZ (787+777)
YHZ (787)
YUL (787+777)
EWR (787)

correct? do they ever fly a 787 to LAS on busy weekends?

787 and occasionally 777 is used for YOW until June as well, and will resume starting Sept.

787 is also used for CUN if you consider that to be North America.

During MAX grounding, 787 was also used for HNL, OGG, and YYC.

787 was never used for LAS.. but I believe Rouge 767 was used for a bit when they still existed and based out of YVR. The same 767 was also used for LAX.

Originally Posted by YVR Bruce

With 3-4 daily AeroMex 37s it seems the longstanding AC (/CP) service is fading to the background.

Perhaps it's time for an AC 787 stub-service over YVR-MEX. Distance is approx 250nm less than YHZ; more like YOW or EWR. And there appears to be quite a wealthy crowd to carry - who might enjoy widebody J and PremEcon

AM feed all traffic from Central and South America through it's hub at MEX, where AC's flight to MEX is a dead end. So AC is really not able to compete in frequency there. AM run more flights and/or capacity to all of AC's hub, not just YVR. Even at YYZ, AM run 3x daily MAX8/9 vs AC 2x daily MAX8.

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by nname

787 and occasionally 777 is used for YOW until June as well, and will resume starting Sept.

787 is also used for CUN if you consider that to be North America.

During MAX grounding, 787 was also used for HNL, OGG, and YYC.

787 was never used for LAS.. but I believe Rouge 767 was used for a bit when they still existed and based out of YVR. The same 767 was also used for LAX.



AM feed all traffic from Central and South America through it's hub at MEX, where AC's flight to MEX is a dead end. So AC is really not able to compete in frequency there. AM run more flights and/or capacity to all of AC's hub, not just YVR. Even at YYZ, AM run 3x daily MAX8/9 vs AC 2x daily MAX8.

Wow. The demand for YVR-MEX really getting large. Would be awesome to see widebodies on that route.
Who remembers when JAL used to fly NRT-YVR-MEX 2-3x per week.

MX used to fly 757s on their YVR routes too

Maybe LATAM will have a crack. They are resuming MEL-SCL in a couple of months. Would be a fun (but very long!) way to get home - although I am a Star loyalist :/