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Old Posted Jun 23, 2023, 6:08 PM
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I was also hoping for 50 floors here, but they did a good job at massing with their podium and variation of heights. This one is actually pretty good at 141m and 40 floors. It's almost as tall as the Icon (9m shorter). I am very happy with this.
I haven't looked at the map, but it should be pretty close to the Icon in height given the change in elevation between the sites.
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I haven't looked at the map, but it should be pretty close to the Icon in height given the change in elevation between the sites.
Even better. This will provide a fantastic view from the building itself, but also stand out in the skyline. It'll definitely stand out from buildings across in the business core, and be very visible from many areas beyond the highway (which will also look very nice off the highway too).
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I haven't looked at the map, but it should be pretty close to the Icon in height given the change in elevation between the sites.
Icon is 143 metres, only 2m taller.
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Please for the love of god build it as is, without height reductions or design changes. Sounds like they would be starting with the 26 storey tower at Catherine/Kent for phase 1.

Countdown until we hear about how the shadows are going to ruin the lives of children at Glashan PS across the street... Even though a half century of diesel fumes from coach buses using the bus terminal was somehow ok.
Unfortunately I expect there will be a good amount of pushback to this. As there seems to be a lot of talk in Centertown around the city people planning...

There was grandstanding at last dev meeting about how certain people don't see a market for certain types of units or that new devs are demolishing affordable SFH for new multi-unit structures....Luckily its a vacant lot in that last regard.
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Icon is 143 metres, only 2m taller.
So I’m guessing that between the placement and the higher ground, it will be more prominent than the Icon from most angles.
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So I’m guessing that between the placement and the higher ground, it will be more prominent than the Icon from most angles.
Absolutely. Icon is at the bottom of a Gully
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Icon is 143 metres, only 2m taller.
For some reason I remembered it at 150m. Okay this makes this even better.

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So I’m guessing that between the placement and the higher ground, it will be more prominent than the Icon from most angles.
I am really hopeful for this development. Hope Brigil can push through nimbys/bananas and pulls through on this. This is such an excellent development, it would add so much to the community in what is basically a deadzone at the moment.
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If all approved towers were to be built, this would be the 6th tallest in Ottawa-Gatineau:

1. Trinity Tower A
2. Trinity Tower B
3. The Sky 1
4. The Sky 2
5. Icon
6. This

If that 829 didn't drop 20 floors, it would have been the third tallest with this being the 7th. This development is awesome. If we take out The Sky towers and Trinity Centre (because who knows when those will actually be built), then this is the second tallest in Ottawa.
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Morning, i am new to the forum. Live close to the old bus station site and am 100% behind this proposal. Let's hope this gets built as per the renders. The street level podium is the best I've seen proposed so far in Ottawa. It's dense, articulated, stunning mix of materials and building forms and could be a game changer for Centretown and Ottawa in general. Will be watching this one closely
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Morning, i am new to the forum. Live close to the old bus station site and am 100% behind this proposal. Let's hope this gets built as per the renders. The street level podium is the best I've seen proposed so far in Ottawa. It's dense, articulated, stunning mix of materials and building forms and could be a game changer for Centretown and Ottawa in general. Will be watching this one closely
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Sent a comment to the City in support. Copied my Councillor, Troster (her Ward), Menard (near his Ward), Plante (my comment spoke of the contrast of the horrible urbanism on Rideau) and Leiper (Chair of the Planning Committee).
Funny, I did the exact same thing as soon as the docs were posted. Great minds think alike. I copied the same councillors but included Sutcliffe as well. I spoke about how imposing “token” height reductions to appease NIMBYs barely makes a real difference to a building’s presence at street level. I also spoke about how wasting opportunities to maximize housing supply on ideal parcels such as this one would be a source of deep regret a few decades down the road.

I doubt they ever get much feedback that’s actually in favour of a proposal so they gravitate towards appeasing NIMBYs. I hope this proposal breaks the trend because it would be a real game changer for Centretown. Hope I get a chance to see this one rise from my apartment.
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Wow! This one of my new favourites for Ottawa. Reminds me of the Well a bit in Toronto, but smaller. If the developers come through, this could be a complete game-changer for the area in terms of design and population. But I definitely see a ton of NIMBYS fighting this tooth and nail, given the height and "character" of the neighbourhood. Also going to email my MPs, expressing support; its time the dinosaurs move on and actually make our downtown "feel" like a downtown. If they want the proper suburbs they can go to Kanata.
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Wow! This one of my new favourites for Ottawa. Reminds me of the Well a bit in Toronto, but smaller. If the developers come through, this could be a complete game-changer for the area in terms of design and population. But I definitely see a ton of NIMBYS fighting this tooth and nail, given the height and "character" of the neighbourhood. Also going to email my MPs, expressing support; its time the dinosaurs move on and actually make our downtown "feel" like a downtown. If they want the proper suburbs they can go to Kanata.
Even Kanata is densifying more with height. If they want no height, they can go to Winchester, Lanark, or Cumberland, Rockland, or Manotick.


I've gone ahead and sent an email supporting this and a few other projects that should get fast-tracked on approvals. 1040 Richmond, 265 Centrum, and 829 at its original height (last time the city told Claridge to bump up the Icon, so if they could do that again - all the better).

This project is one of our best in the pipeline. Definitely in the gamechanger class of proposed developments. Unlike 900 Albert or The Sky, I think Brigil can pull through to start this soon.
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Old Posted Jun 29, 2023, 12:21 PM
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Surprisingly, this article was not subject to the pay wall.

Although I like this project overall, the design, scale and form of the podium, the tower heights and spacing between them, the amount of retail, I'm not a fan of the design of the towers. Middle one looks like a 70s office tower. The east tower looks kind of lost. East and west have disjointed designs. I'd be ok if this was approved as is, but I hope for a redesign of the towers.

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Brigil unveils plans for trio of highrises at former Greyhound bus station site

David Sali, OBJ
June 28, 2023


The company that owns the former Greyhound bus terminal land says it plans to build three highrises ranging from 26 to 40 storeys on the site that would include more than 1,000 rental apartment units and commercial space.

A development application for the 2.8-acre property on Catherine Street filed on behalf of Gatineau-based Brigil says the project – which would be built in two phases and result in more than a million square feet of new real estate – will act “as a catalyst for the regeneration of the southern edge of the downtown area.”

Brigil’s proposal calls for towers of 26, 36 and 40 storeys, with two buildings facing Catherine Street and one fronting on Lyon Street. In addition, the developer wants to construct townhouses and a six-storey residential building along Arlington Avenue as well as a 0.25-care public park on the northeast corner of Arlington Avenue and Kent Street.

The development includes a substantial commercial component. According to the application, the project will feature a market along with a mix of retail, arts and restaurant space, much of it located on the ground floor of two six-storey podiums that would face Catherine Street.

Current zoning bylaws require 25 per cent of new development on the site to be set aside for open public spaces. Besides the park, Brigil’s plan also includes a courtyard, an outdoor gallery and an outdoor amenity space.

The proposal has been more than two years in the making for Brigil, which purchased the site in early 2021 and demolished the vacant bus station last year.

Jessy Desjardins, the firm’s vice-president of development, told OBJ two years ago the property is an ideal location for a mixed-use project due to its proximity to downtown and the Glebe.

“When we talk about that 15-minute walkable neighbourhood, that site offers everything,” Desjardins said then, referring to the concept that everything residents need is within walking distance. “When this opportunity came up, we really felt like it was the right site for us.”

The area’s secondary plan permits buildings up to 25 storeys on the south half of the property and nine storeys on the northern portion. While buildings of up to 27 storeys are permitted if they achieve “landmark” status, Brigil says none of the highrises are being designed with that in mind and all will require amendments to current zoning regulations.

In the 2021 interview, Desjardins said taller buildings would allow the company to build more residential units, boosting the development’s income streams and making it more economically viable to charge lower rents to retailers and other businesses in the commercial component.

“That would be our goal – to increase density,” he said. “When we look at the post-pandemic economic revival, it’s going to be important that developers have a vision of encouraging local businesses to establish themselves. By having a bit more density, it allows us to reduce the rents for those commercial spaces.”

Brigil officials were not immediately available for comment on the proposal on Wednesday.

More parking for bikes than cars

In keeping with the “15-minute neighbourhood” theme, the development appears to be aimed at residents who don’t drive cars.

The proposal includes a two-level underground garage with 394 parking spaces, fewer than current zoning regulations allow. Meanwhile, Brigil is proposing 738 bicycle parking spaces, most of which would be located indoors – more than 200 above the minimum required number.

The planning application says the project aims to “promote alternate modes of transportation and reduce the reliance on vehicles for this site. In the event of spillover, on-street parking is available, which would help promote slower driving speeds as a traffic calming measure.”

Brigil says it plans to build the project in two phases, starting with a 26-storey, 313,000-square-foot highrise on the eastern portion of the property that would be home to 289 apartments in a mix of one-, two- and three-bedroom suites along with 141 underground parking spaces.

The builder says the second phase would begin “shortly thereafter.” It would feature towers of 36 and 40 storeys covering a total of 710,000 square feet, with 732 rental units of various sizes and a 272-car underground parking lot.

A 12,000-square-foot complex with seven townhomes would also be part of the second phase of the development.

In 2021, Desjardins said Brigil asked half a dozen architectural firms from Ottawa, Toronto and Montreal – including high-profile organizations such as NEUF, Diamond Schmitt and Perkins&Will – to take part in a design competition. Toronto-based Quadrangle Architects ultimately won the contract to design the project.

The bus terminal had previously occupied the Catherine Street property since 1972. Greyhound had operated out of the site since 1994 but pulled out in October 2020 after suspending bus service across Canada earlier in the year due to the COVID-19 pandemic.
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I love this development, looks like a combination of midrise and highrise all wrapped into one. I also love that there is more parking for bikes than cars, great move.


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In 2021, Desjardins said Brigil asked half a dozen architectural firms from Ottawa, Toronto and Montreal – including high-profile organizations such as NEUF, Diamond Schmitt and Perkins&Will – to take part in a design competition. Toronto-based Quadrangle Architects ultimately won the contract to design the project."

Great move by Brigil, they've sold me. Now if they can get approval, I hope they don't let us down. They wanted their shot at a "landmark development", city needs to give them a shot. And they're not going for any BS claims of being a landmark, but I think this one is more of a landmark compared to that other one proposed in centretown by Taggart. Although this and that development will add a lot of height and life into Centretown, so it will be nice to see everything go up.
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I love this development, looks like a combination of midrise and highrise all wrapped into one. I also love that there is more parking for bikes than cars, great move.


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In 2021, Desjardins said Brigil asked half a dozen architectural firms from Ottawa, Toronto and Montreal – including high-profile organizations such as NEUF, Diamond Schmitt and Perkins&Will – to take part in a design competition. Toronto-based Quadrangle Architects ultimately won the contract to design the project."

Great move by Brigil, they've sold me. Now if they can get approval, I hope they don't let us down. They wanted their shot at a "landmark development", city needs to give them a shot. And they're not going for any BS claims of being a landmark, but I think this one is more of a landmark compared to that other one proposed in centretown by Taggart. Although this and that development will add a lot of height and life into Centretown, so it will be nice to see everything go up.
This is definitely a fresh take on a podium design for us. Looking forward to it.

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Brigil’s plan for former Greyhound bus station land gets mixed review from biz leader

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June 29, 2023 4:14 PM ET




The Gatineau firm that wants to build more than 1,000 residential units on the site of the former Greyhound bus terminal says it has received “positive” feedback about the plan – but a downtown business advocate worries the project’s retail component could struggle on a street where parking is at a premium.

“We got to really connect with the community and have a good sense of what mattered for them,” Jessy Desjardins, Brigil’s vice-president of development, told OBJ on Thursday.

Brigil has filed an application to build three towers ranging from 26 to 40 storeys at the 2.8-acre property on Catherine Street between Kent and Lyon streets. The developer bought the land in 2021 after the bus station shut down in the wake of the pandemic and demolished the building last year.

The proposal calls for towers of 26, 36 and 40 storeys, with two buildings facing Catherine Street and one fronting on Lyon Street. The project also includes townhouses and a six-storey residential building along Arlington Avenue as well as a 0.25-acre public park on the northeast corner of Arlington Avenue and Kent Street.

A total of about 1,030 residential units will be built in a mix of studio, one-, two- and three-bedroom apartments. In addition, the proposal includes more than 20,000 square feet of ground-floor retail space that will be located mainly in a pair of six-storey podiums facing Catherine Street.

Christine Leadman, executive director of the Bank Street Business Improvement Area, said she has mixed feelings about the proposal.

While acknowledging that the addition of more than 1,000 new residents to south Centretown would be a boon to her members, Leadman said she’s not convinced the former bus terminal site is well-suited for restaurants and other high-traffic businesses.

“Retail is suffering, and I just don’t know how well it’s going to do on a street like Catherine with really limited parking,” she said.

“We’re not looking to make a big retail destination with thousands and thousands of people going there,” he explained. “It’s not a car-oriented development.”

Brigil conducted four workshops with local residents, including former Somerset Coun. Catherine McKenney and members of the Centretown Community Association, in 2021 and 2022 to gauge support for the plan.

Desjardins said the company took input from those sessions into account as it crafted its final proposal.

For example, he said that while Brigil initially floated the idea of building office space fronting on Arlington Avenue, there were concerns that light from the buildings would disturb nearby residents at night.

The current plan no longer includes an office component, and Desjardins said any future office space would be located on the Catherine Street side of the property. He said residents made it clear they wanted a “more community-oriented” project that focused on residential, retail and green space.

“I think that’s what we delivered, and we’re very excited about the final proposal,” Desjardins added. “It’s definitely a project that we are very motivated by.”

The development will be constructed in two phases, with the park and the 26-storey highrise to be built first.

The 286 suites in that building will be rental apartments, but Desjardins said Brigil is “not 100 per cent sure” if the other towers will be devoted to rental housing, condominiums or a blend of both.

“We will kind of evaluate as the (project) goes on,” he said.

The company hasn’t finalized how many units will be earmarked for affordable housing but is currently aiming for a target of 10 per cent, Desjardins noted.

He said Brigil is looking to emulate a concept popular in countries such as Denmark that deems units to be affordable if residents spend less than 50 per cent of their income on housing and transportation combined.

“We think that people will have the chance to really live a fulfilling lifestyle without the need of a car,” he said.

Brigil’s application says the development will include restaurants and retail outlets. Desjardins said “flexible space” could be used to host markets and indoor events, adding the developer plans to survey residents and nearby businesses about what they’d like to see.

“We’re very keen on creating a neighbourhood that is run by the local business community,” he said. “I think there’s a great opportunity for anybody … whether it’s a restaurant, a local retail shop, coffee shops or even some art studios. We’re very open in terms of what type of retail businesses that we can attract there.”

Still, Leadman questioned how “people-friendly” the project will be, saying she would prefer to see more trees and public lawns sprinkled throughout the site.

Nearby recreation facilities such as the McNabb arena, park and community centre and Jack Purcell Community Centre are “already at capacity,” she added, and companies like Brigil need to ensure they make green space a priority.

“When we’re looking at trying to revitalize the core, these developments that come in can be part of that,” said Leadman, who sits on a task force that is studying ways to reanimate Ottawa’s downtown. “There isn’t very much soft landscaping around this property.”

The former city councillor also noted the three residential towers exceed the current 25-storey height limit set out in Ottawa’s Official Plan and worries they will create a “wind-tunnel” effect.

“There are wind issues anyway going down Catherine Street,” she said. “It’s only going to be exacerbated when you put in more towers like this.”

In addition, Leadman said she’d like to see a significant affordable housing component and more suites aimed at families. Currently, five per cent, or about 50, of the 1,000-plus apartments are expected to be three-bedroom units.

“No one wants to live in a shoebox,” she said. “If we want more people living in the core and you want to build for real intensification, you have to build for families as well.”

https://obj.ca/brigil-plan-gets-mixed-review/
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Oh no! The Bank Street BIA is already worried... sowing FUD like this about the retail component potentially taking shoppers away from it's members, among other NIMBY complaints. Shame.
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That may be where the BIA is coming from, but it really isn't a very good location for retail (other commercial uses may be more appropriate). Especially given that it will likely be more expensive than traditional areas like Bank.
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