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Old Posted Jun 17, 2023, 9:55 PM
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Just rode it from Chinatown to Bunker Hill. Took 15-20 minutes. I have to say, while it's obviously better, downtown felt very off. Like people were there, but with really nothing to go to, they were just there to check out the new line. When you exit all the stations above aground, it's a weird feeling having virtually no signs of good urbanism around you; flat/sterile plazas with nothing immediately around. I know the stations will get infill at some point, but seems very odd to do it after the fact. Anyway, done being a downer Guess I just have to wait 30 years for all of this to be nice...
Probably because you were at Bunker Hill on a Saturday.
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Old Posted Jun 17, 2023, 10:11 PM
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Probably because you were at Bunker Hill on a Saturday.
That was my first stop. I did all of them.

BH was actually the best one, but it was odd exiting the elevator to the back of buildings and ugly roadways.

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BH was actually the best one, but it was odd existing the elevator to the back of buildings and ugly roadways.
I thought about that too. I wonder why they didn't go with this location at 2nd and Grand. Would've made for a more impressive reveal coming out of the subway station, and obviously more central to the main attractions. The back side of the Broad is usually pretty dead, and the opposite side has its back completely turned away from the station. But perhaps they thought it'd be too close to the Civic Center/Grand Park station?
     
     
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Just rode it from Chinatown to Bunker Hill. Took 15-20 minutes. I have to say, while it's obviously better, downtown felt very off. Like people were there, but with really nothing to go to, they were just there to check out the new line. When you exit all the stations above aground, it's a weird feeling having virtually no signs of good urbanism around you; flat/sterile plazas with nothing immediately around. I know the stations will get infill at some point, but seems very odd to do it after the fact. Anyway, done being a downer Guess I just have to wait 30 years for all of this to be nice...
The new stations aren't really central to downtown activity although you would find some activity a couple blocks from each. That can change in the future. Lots planned near the Historic Broadway station (I already dislike the "Historic" bit) that could really move the needle.
     
     
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Just rode it from Chinatown to Bunker Hill. Took 15-20 minutes. I have to say, while it's obviously better, downtown felt very off. Like people were there, but with really nothing to go to, they were just there to check out the new line. When you exit all the stations above aground, it's a weird feeling having virtually no signs of good urbanism around you; flat/sterile plazas with nothing immediately around. I know the stations will get infill at some point, but seems very odd to do it after the fact. Anyway, done being a downer Guess I just have to wait 30 years for all of this to be nice...
Anything between the 110, 3rd St, Flower St, and 1st St needs to be razed and pedestrian friendly infill like South Park did the last decade.
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Old Posted Jun 19, 2023, 5:14 PM
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I took the new connector line yesterday & it made me think of 60 yr olds learning how to tie their shoelaces. It's long overdue & the stations are fine, but they'd be no big deal to ppl in most of the major cities of the world. I also don't know if the turnout of ppl checking them out for the first time...& for free...was as high as it could have been. The MTA employees stationed at the new locations to greet visitors were sometimes more than the number of users. Too many ppl in LA love their cars & want to use them on fwys instead of walking along sidewalks.

However, I also took the expo line all the way to Samo, & the pier was busy. In LA, ppl rely on self contained locations, like the pier or The Grove, or citywalk at Universal studios, for their main urban sidewalk experiences. It is what it is.

I see lots of potential maintenance issues in the future for the new connector line stations. If the MTA doesn't do good housekeeping on them, they'll quickly lose their appeal. The main parts of the station next to the broad museum is served by only elevators. Elevators are notorious for users peeing in them. However, I just read that escalators, not elevators, in a major mall in SF...its nicest one too...have janitors who struggle with ppl using them as a bathroom....not for just #1, but also #2....whoa.

Someone mentioned about dtla being off. I didn't feel that way, but when I saw the area to the west of the broad museum, which has been a lifeless, barren concrete pad since 2015, I wondered why nothing had been done to it. The museum didn't bother making it welcoming to visitors in 2023 anymore than they did when it first opened in 2015. Sopas' pic shows the area to the left. There were even had a few chainlink fences lying on their side in the area...bad show.


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I thought dtla was okay...didn't feel ambivalent about it as I sometimes do or various ppl do too. I was more put off by LA around brentwood & Samo, as seen from the expo line. Although new devlp around the line is a welcome change, just as it is in dtla too, too much of LA isn't well developed or attractive enough. Ppl warm up to nice looking places & tend to shy away from locations that are sloppy looking or outright rundown. America has never done aesthetics too well & that's also overly true of plenty of older parts of LA.

BTW. the expo line, because sections of its aren't grade separated, a train is slowed down just like a bus in traffic is. LA has difficulty in undergounding either its transit lines or its roads, & sure hasn't undergrounded a lot of its other utility systems in areas like West LA either. Bad show, LA city officials & ppl of LA in general too.

EDIT: I noticed this area as the train on the former blue line headed out of dt...it's a bit south of dt itself, north of the USC area. It's apparently a training site of the DWP.....it struck me as a regrettable symbol of LA, certainly old LA...


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Bunker Hill Station

I walked over to the Bunker Hill station just to check it out. Some of the nitpicking on this forum is absolutely corny. It’s a great looking station. Also, it looks great at night. Some people on here I swear just aren’t happy with their personal lives. I understand we all have our own different opinions…but what more could realistically want/need from a station in this area? Yes it would be awesome if more development takes off because of the new station. Until then…this is definitely good start in the right direction for this area of DTLA.
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I notice urbanize LA has a feature on the bh station, which I think is perfectly fine. I didn't mind its location west of the broad, but as some of the letters to urbanize mention, I just hope the mta keeps the place as safe & clean as possible. btw, I did notice obviously homeless ppl in lots of the trains we were using...we transferred from various ones throughout the day, & there was a woman with clearly mental issues screaming at the station near the Samo Pier.


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I don't want to blame the aesthetics of LA's various hoods alone as the main reason why lots of ppl avoid interacting with them....or would rather drive through them quickly than take transit to them & walk around them. But I also don't think many ppl not having the warm feelies for the way a city looks helps things either. Throw in issues of crime, homeless tents & dirt & litter all over the place, & that's a major turn off for most ppl.

It's funny about the idea of a place being off, because yesterday I felt that way about Samo, not so much dtla. That's partly because I expect West LA....as seen from the expo line.....to be in much better shape than it is. But that has been true of that area for over 70 yrs. Except at a certain time the ppl managing LA really should get their act...& the city they influence....together. LA really needs to up its game, in both devlpt & aesthetics too. Along with things like safety & cleanliness.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 19, 2023, 7:52 PM
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That was my first stop. I did all of them.

BH was actually the best one, but it was odd exiting the elevator to the back of buildings and ugly roadways.
I went to the new stations yesterday and I actually don't mind where the Bunker Hill station is, and I didn't get that impression when I left it to walk by that green space near the Otium restaurant. Did you leave the station at the street level or the bridge level? We took the elevator to the bridge level and thought it was a good way to get to The Broad/Grand Avenue. Maybe because it was Fathers Day too, but there were a lot of people eating at the restaurants and kids playing in that grassy area. But I can see how getting out of the station at the street level will make you think of roadways. And I didn't mind seeing the back of The Broad, in fact I had never paid attention to it before, and I thought it was an interesting view of it from a perspective that I had never seen before. My partner thought the same thing, but the only disappointment I found with the Bunker Hill station is the width of the platform; we both thought it would be much bigger; you'd think that with the cultural attractions in the area, not just the museums, but also summer events like Grand Performances at California Plaza, they'd have built this station with large crowds in mind.

And I like the new location for the Little Tokyo Station. When you go up to the street level and leave it, you actually feel like you're in Little Tokyo, unlike the old street-level station catty-corner to it, where you got off the train and felt like you were in some weird no-man's land, and then you had to be mindful of any trains that might be crossing, and then having to cross Alameda Avenue to get into Little Tokyo.

BTW Little Tokyo was really busy and lively with a lot of people yesterday.
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^ same here. If anything, I had a more positive impression of dtla yesterday than I had of areas to the west of it, including Samo.

I could also see this proj as the train passed by USC, & I know when it opens I'll certainly prefer using the new connector line versus driving & trying to find parking around (or under) the museum. However, too many of the hoods to the west & east of USC & expo park & to the east of the SaMo Pier need to be cleaned up or modernized. I don't expect them to ever look as picturesque as certain areas out of Europe are...such as London, Paris or rome....but I also don't expect...or want them...to look like areas in the emerging world or 3rd world....or in the US's rust belt.

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The newer burbs in LA & SoCa actually in certain ways have followed a higher standard in devlpt, closer to that of a Europe, than many sections of older LA do. The overly modest income look of old LA was way too noticeable to me yesterday. Maybe if the trains were packed with ppl who are the types who normally drive in Prius, Mercs or Lexuses that would have helped offset that. Regardless, I still think one reason more ppl are hesitant to use transit in LA is not just due to issues of time, crime & cleanliness, but also due to too many sections of LA not looking more welcoming or attractive.
     
     
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Mayor Bass needs to be on the phones calling developers, investment firms, the easter bunny and santa clause asking everyone to invest in dense residential developments downtown with whatever perk and incentives they may need. She was one of the ones running on LA's housing crisis but as they all do, ignored the main solution.

Downtown is still a 9-5 zone during the week and dead zone on weekends, despite the increased numbers of housing units. Tripple the residential numbers and we'll see vast improvements all around. Once you leave staples center (ill never call it anything else), LA live and that little corridor, the foot traffic unfortunately dies quickly.

More residential = more people = more commercial / more offices

Come on guys, has sim city / cities skylines taught us nothing. We're almost at the tipping point (waiting on you Oceawide) where things will flow continuously flow.
     
     
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Residential conversion planned for 33-story office tower at 1055 7th Street

Jamison Services would transform the former ARCO Tower into apartments

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Much has been said about the departure of corporate headquarters from Downtown Los Angeles in recent decades. Likewise, much has been written in recent months about the ongoing struggle's of the neighborhood's office market, and the possibility of converting millions of square feet of unused space into housing. Now, watch as those two narratives collide.

Just west of the US-110 Freeway stands a 33-story, approximately 600,000-square-foot office tower completed during the late 1980s office boom. While the building was once named ARCO Tower for the oil and gas company that once called it home, the property has gone by 1055 7th Street since the departure of its namesake tenant more than two decades ago. It most recently housed offices for Los Angeles County's L.A. Care health plan, which will be relocating into a 370,000-square-foot space at a neighboring building in 2024.

Landlord Jamison Services, Inc., faced with the daunting task of leasing a large high-rise in an era where such buildings have fallen out of vogue, will instead pivot. The Koreatown-based firm has submitted an application to the L.A. Department of City Planning seeking approvals to convert the upper floors of 1055 7th Street into housing. Plans call for a total of 691 studio, one-, two-, and three-bedroom apartments, ranging from 538 to 1,304 square feet in size, as well as nearly 48,000 square feet of amenities such as theaters, fitness rooms, lounges, and business centers.

The proposed project, as an adaptive reuse development, is not required to incorporate affordable housing. Likewise, no additional parking is required for 1055 7th Street, which is already served by adjacent garage with capacity for more than 1,100 vehicles.



Plans included with the entitlement application show that the exterior of the tower, which was designed by Gin Wong Associates, would be retained in its original state, although inset balconies replace some windows along the exterior. The tower, which rises approximately 464 feet in height, is characterized by stone veneer cladding and a hexagonal footprint on its upper levels.

While adaptive reuse is responsible for much of the residential community that now exists in Downtown Los Angeles, it had mostly been concentrated in historic bank buildings along corridors such as Spring Street and Main Street. However, there is already a track record of such projects in newer high-rise structures on the west side of the 110. Existing towers to the north at 1010 Wilshire and 1100 Wilshire have already been transformed into apartments and condominiums, respectively.

The City of Los Angeles, as part of its efforts to provide capacity at least 255,000 additional homes by 2029, has looked to expand adaptive reuse to other neighborhoods as well. Jamison Services has long been active in that arena, converting numerous office towers along the Wilshire corridor into housing within the past decade.

The conversion of 1055 7th Street could help to jolt a number of stalled projects to life in the surrounding area. Neighboring parcels to the west have been approved for redevelopment with high-rise residential buildings, but have yet to move forward.
     
     
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Just walked around downtown la for 2 miles.
Didn't see one tent. Few homeless.
No screamers. Way cleaner.

It looks way way better than 4 months ago .
Anyone who says its getting worse is a liar
And needs to go outside.
And see for themselves.

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Mayor Bass needs to be on the phones calling developers, investment firms, the easter bunny and santa clause asking everyone to invest in dense residential developments downtown with whatever perk and incentives they may need. She was one of the ones running on LA's housing crisis but as they all do, ignored the main solution.

Downtown is still a 9-5 zone during the week and dead zone on weekends, despite the increased numbers of housing units. Tripple the residential numbers and we'll see vast improvements all around. Once you leave staples center (ill never call it anything else), LA live and that little corridor, the foot traffic unfortunately dies quickly.

More residential = more people = more commercial / more offices

Come on guys, has sim city / cities skylines taught us nothing. We're almost at the tipping point (waiting on you Oceawide) where things will flow continuously flow.
I’m not sure how familiar you are with DTLA…from 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th, Olympic, from basically from Figueroa to Spring has a lot activity on nights during the week and on weekends. LA Live can be hit or miss depending on events. But trust me, you can walk from Spring St. to Joey DTLA, Sparrow, Bottega Louie, etc. and you’ll find plenty of activity.
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Another thing I noticed yesterday was that the decorative fountains of dtla are still awol. That includes the major one of the arthur will fountain in Grand Pk. Even before the drought, the ones around the DWP bldg were increasingly switched off. Somewhat fitting too since that city agency has helped make LA look like a place where too many ppl say, 'who gives a damn?....not my job...other things to worry about...better to be critical about the height of a new proj or how large its garage space is instead of issues even more closely related to city govt & public officials'.

Manicured, self contained urban areas like this are even more the default sections of LA that are somewhat competitive in attracting more visitors, tourists, day trippers because they try to look nice, safe, clean &...do things like at least keeping their fountains operating....

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I also don't think the Grand LA proj at 1st St & Grand ave is an easy draw because shopping ctrs not similar to the grove or lacking the built in market of Samo's 2nd St mall...or the century city mall....just don't have the pull in 2023 they used to yrs ago. However, that proj is a nicer backdrop for the part of bunker hill...as seen from the broad, via the connector station....versus the tinker toy parking structure that used to be there for decades. But the ppl managing LA have to drop the 'who gives a damn?' attitude.
     
     
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I’m not sure how familiar you are with DTLA…from 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th, Olympic, from basically from Figueroa to Spring has a lot activity on nights during the week and on weekends. LA Live can be hit or miss depending on events. But trust me, you can walk from Spring St. to Joey DTLA, Sparrow, Bottega Louie, etc. and you’ll find plenty of activity.
It looked great today!
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I rode it Saturday afternoon/evening. I have to say being able to go inside an elevator and having it not reek of piss sure was a pleasant experience. Enjoy it while it lasts.

There was a steady stream of people around all three stations, but boy was Little Tokyo hopping.
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I've not been a customer of this organization before, but I've been aware of its existence for a long time since it dates back to dtla from the early 1960s. It was created & survived when dt was in pretty bad shape, so its shutting down, hopefully only temporarily, in 2023 when dt is generally better off than before is both ironic but also worrisome.

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The major CA city up north is getting a lot of bad press right now & suffering the closing of some of its major businesses...hotels & stores....although I'm not aware of any of its cultural entities shutting down too. But if SF, in spite of its longer history of good publicity as a nice city to visit or live in can go through a dry spell, dtla is no less vulnerable. DTLA, however, did get burned after the 1992 riots, the 1994 northridge earthquake & the long decline of Spring St, Broadway, bunker Hill, etc. So dtla is familiar with bad press & yrs of falling apart. That's why it will be totally unacceptable if it takes a trip back to the future.
     
     
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You don't listen to what anyone says do you?

A bunch of us just told you downtown looks much better now and you keep talking your same negative talking points.
Why do you keep bringing up sf?
It's a very different city than la.

Seriously, have you visited downtown in the past month?
Or year? How often do you go?

The taper forum is closing temporarily because of covid.
Not bad press or anything you want to make up.
     
     
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You don't listen to what anyone says do you?

A bunch of us just told you downtown looks much better now and you keep talking your same negative talking points.
Why do you keep bringing up sf?
It's a very different city than la.

Seriously, have you visited downtown in the past month?
Or year? How often do you go?

The taper forum is closing temporarily because of covid.
Not bad press or anything you want to make up.
You must be talking about you know who. Lol…I have him blocked for a plethora of reasons. They simply sit around and research as much as they can to find any little thing that they feel they can turn into something negative. It’s so sad.
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