Jericho Lands Planning Program

[mcj]

Interesting placement of the Skytrain station fully within the site. I would have thought the station would be along 8th Ave to serve both this site and the commercial district along 10th. From what I can see in the image below it'll approximately be located in line with 6th Ave, which could potentially allow for a mostly straight shot to the UBC trolley bus loop.

[chowhou]

Originally Posted by FarmerHaight

Some additional details here, including something that will make the English Alphabet fans happy:

It was always ironic to me that when FN independently name things it seems like they try to appeal to a wide Canadian audience to embrace names in their language, but when local government names things for FNs we get the most obtuse examples with no compromises that everyone inevitably navigates around.

(To be fair, I have a feeling that streets probably legally need to have English alphabet names and it'll look a lot like Chinatown's "Columbia St 哥倫比亞街" or Punjabi Village's "Main Street ਮੇਨ ਸਟਰੀਟ")

Originally Posted by mcj

Interesting placement of the Skytrain station fully within the site. I would have thought the station would be along 8th Ave to serve both this site and the commercial district along 10th. From what I can see in the image below it'll approximately be located in line with 6th Ave, which could potentially allow for a mostly straight shot to the UBC trolley bus loop.

It's only a straight shot if they decide to tunnel all the way to UBC, otherwise the University Golf Course is still in the way.

[jollyburger]

Originally Posted by mcj

Interesting placement of the Skytrain station fully within the site. I would have thought the station would be along 8th Ave to serve both this site and the commercial district along 10th. From what I can see in the image below it'll approximately be located in line with 6th Ave, which could potentially allow for a mostly straight shot to the UBC trolley bus loop.

Probably makes more senses to focus it on the Senakw development and you sort of make it into a walkable Jericho Beach Skytrain station.

[logan5]

A lot of home owners in Jericho shit their Depends this morning.

Looks like they tried to preserve as much view as possible by placing the tall towers at the far west and east of the site. Overall, a perfect spot for 20 000 new residents, with a huge amount of park spaces, km’s of beaches, and 3 high streets in West 4th, West 10th, West Broadway.

[CanSpice]

Originally Posted by logan5

A lot of home owners in Jericho shit their Depends this morning.

There are now plans for 13,000 units, (up from 9,000)

I love how the developers have doubled down by adding even more housing. I'd love to see this reaction happen more and more.

[svlt]

Originally Posted by logan5

A lot of home owners in Jericho shit their Depends this morning.

Many of whom won't be alive to see this completed anyway so there should be nothing for them to complain about.

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by svlt

Many of whom won't be alive to see this completed anyway so there should be nothing for them to complain about.

Since when has that stopped them?

TBF I know some Millennial aged people who've moved to Kits in the last 5 years or so and they have become full on NIMBYs.

[mcj]

Originally Posted by CanSpice

I love how the developers have doubled down by adding even more housing. I'd love to see this reaction happen more and more.

Did someone say MEGATOWERS at Safeway!?

[FarmerHaight]

Originally Posted by jollyburger

Probably makes more senses to focus it on the Senakw development and you sort of make it into a walkable Jericho Beach Skytrain station.

No doubt the businesses in Point Grey Village would love to have a Skytrain stop close by (or at least logically they should) but the commercial and office space in Jericho (I assume you mean that and not Senakw) is an overwhelming draw compared to three blocks of retail. Never mind the residents in Jericho and the beach, which you mentioned.

Jericho beach is already incredibly popular, but this development will make it the most popular beach outside of DT once you add 20k+ residents and a Skytrain connection.

Originally Posted by CanSpice

I love how the developers have doubled down by adding even more housing. I'd love to see this reaction happen more and more.

That directive came from the MST leadership:

“Following the release of two conceptual site plan options in Fall 2021, MST leadership asked the project team to review whether ʔəy҆alməxʷ/Iy҆álmexw/Jericho Lands could provide additional housing and affordability, greater inclusivity and open spaces, additional employment and training opportunities, and a deeper recognition of the cultural importance of the site,” reads the rationale for the more ambitious project.

Music to my ears

[fredinno]

Why not just give it as a condominium reserve at this point (between all the MST parties) instead of still being technically being under Vancouver jurisdiction?

That would allow for a lot more development here, since TBH, Jericho Beach nearby means they don't need the extra parkspace on the site.

Is there someone insisting it remains under Vancouver jurisdiction?

[ecbin]

So the solution to the housing crisis involves returning more stolen land to the First Nations communities? Sounds like killing 2 birds with 1 stone here.

[Sheba]

Originally Posted by FarmerHaight

Build it (and launch UBCx ASAP)!

My only problem is the density of the eastern core will not be as well served by transit (600-700 metres away from the Skytrain station) but I guess an Alma station could remedy that.

TransLink tries to place parallel bus routes around 800m / 10 min walk apart so they don't cannibalize each others ridership. It's really not that far for someone to walk to a Skytrain station. Also the initial plans have stations at Macdonald, Alma and then Jericho. People aren't going to have to hike for hours to get to a Skytrain station.

Millennium Line UBC Extension

I like this at the bottom of the FAQ:

Is SkyTrain proprietary technology?

SkyTrain is not proprietary to a specific manufacturer. There are multiple manufacturers with the ability to construct vehicles and components for TransLink’s SkyTrain system. Procurement for rail infrastructure and SkyTrain vehicles go through a competitive bidding process. This process would be similar for all types of transit technology.

[officedweller]

Agreed that the placement of the station to the north of 8th Ave is probably to serve the Jercho Beach Park.
It would have to be at the SW corner of the site to serve the 10th and Sasamat commercial area, in which case the much denser eastern node would be poorly served.
So I guess this is a reasonable trade-off.

[Migrant_Coconut]

Too far east though, and it overlaps with Alma Station. Crown Crescent seems like an adequate compromise.

[jollyburger]

Originally Posted by fredinno

Why not just give it as a condominium reserve at this point (between all the MST parties) instead of still being technically being under Vancouver jurisdiction?

That would allow for a lot more development here, since TBH, Jericho Beach nearby means they don't need the extra parkspace on the site.

Is there someone insisting it remains under Vancouver jurisdiction?

That will happen if CoV tries to block or downsize it

[Metro-One]

Looks like a great development!

My only question is, since it is on native land, can you actually “own” a unit in the same way one “owns” a unit in a tower in any other community, or all they all leases?

And yes, the second phase of the UBC Skytrain extension should commence ASAP, before the completion of phase one if possible.

[madog222]

Originally Posted by Metro-One

My only question is, since it is on native land, can you actually “own” a unit in the same way one “owns” a unit in a tower in any other community, or all they all leases?

It's privately owned by the three First Nations, not reserve, so they could sell units as freehold strata if they wished. They want to maintain ownership of the land so are choosing to sell units as leasehold strata.
Here are the two registered parcels:
https://www.bcassessment.ca/Property/Info/QTAwMDAwMDBZSw==
https://www.bcassessment.ca/Property/Info/RDAwMDFEWVJTSg==

They chose to purchase the land so as to not have to go through a long and expensive treaty process.

[Changing City]

Originally Posted by Metro-One

Looks like a great development!

My only question is, since it is on native land, can you actually “own” a unit in the same way one “owns” a unit in a tower in any other community, or all they all leases?

And yes, the second phase of the UBC Skytrain extension should commence ASAP, before the completion of phase one if possible.

It's not 'native land' in the way that the Musqueam or Squamish Indian Reserves are native land. 52 acres is jointly owned by the Canada Lands Company and MST, which is a corporation equally owned by the three local first nations (who bought their share in 2014 for $237m), and the other 38 acres is owned solely by the MST, who bought it from the Provincial Governmment for $480m in 2016.

The purchase of the two Jericho parcels stems in large part from an Olympic legacy in which four area First Nations agreed to set aside their competing and overlapping claims in the Metro Vancouver area, and to work together.

They don't intend to sell the land, or property freehold. They say the Nations will own the land forever, so homeownership opportunities would be limited to leasehold tenure (owning the home but not the land).

[Metro-One]

I see, thanks for the explanations!

So what rights would a unit owner have and not have in this situation compared to other condo towers (because in those situations you don’t really own and “land” either)

[Changing City]

Originally Posted by Metro-One

I see, thanks for the explanations!

So what rights would a unit owner have and not have in this situation compared to other condo towers (because in those situations you don’t really own and “land” either)

I would assume the same as other leasehold projects on First Nations land. The Tsleil-Waututh First Nation have developed hundreds of units on the north shore. There's an explanation of how it works here. There are some leasehold ownership units in the West End, and also in False Creek South, where the City owns the land. As the lease end gets closer, resale values tend to go down, although if there's nothing wrong with the building the lease may just get extended.