The Official Saint John, NB Project Thread

[ColSJ]

Originally Posted by DyAm00394

There are 3 proposals in the upcoming PAC meeting on June 20th, 2023. https://pub-saintjohn.escribemeetings.co...-6c3b85b13ae3&Agenda=Agenda&lang=English

• 14- unit residential building, that includes 4 affordable housing units, at 49 Quinton Avenue.
  
  
• Rezone 460 Milford Road from Two-Unit Residential (R2) to MidRise Residential (RM) to allow for the construction of three, 3-storey multi-unit buildings; two 24- unit buildings and one 30-unit building.
  
  
• Rezone 21 Canon Street and 348 Rockland Road from General Commercial (CG) to Mid-Rise Residential (RM).
  

[cdnguys]

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[ColSJ]

Originally Posted by cdnguys

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We don’t do the greatest job at posting about developments in the Valley. I know of 2 large apartment buildings under construction in Rothesay and there may be more.

We are a bit different to the Moncton- Riverview- Dieppe area because there is such a distance between urban Saint John and urban Rothesay/ Quispamsis that the connection lacks. Whereas you can stand in downtown Dieppe and look at downtown Moncton.

[cdnguys]

Originally Posted by ColSJ

We don’t do the greatest job at posting about developments in the Valley. I know of 2 large apartment buildings under construction in Rothesay and there may be more.

We are a bit different to the Moncton- Riverview- Dieppe area because there is such a distance between urban Saint John and urban Rothesay/ Quispamsis that the connection lacks. Whereas you can stand in downtown Dieppe and look at downtown Moncton.

Can you remind us which two are currently under construction?

[ColSJ]

Originally Posted by cdnguys

Can you remind us which two are currently under construction?

95 Hampton Road & the other on Chapel Road adjacent to the commercial plaza. I’m unsure if there are others under construction. I haven’t been in the valley for a while.

[cdnguys]

There is this one too (43 unit) Property Star wants to build on Hampton Rd by Sierra. Not sure if this is now under construction or passed council….
Also there was one going to be built where the old Esso was at end of Clark Rd corner with gondola

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[ColSJ]

Originally Posted by cdnguys

There is this one too (43 unit) Property Star wants to build on Hampton Rd by Sierra. Not sure if this is now under construction or passed council….
Also there was one going to be built where the old Esso was at end of Marr Rd corner with gondola

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Once Hampton Road becomes full (which we are very close to) the developers will be forced to put projects up along the highway. Mayor Grant mentioned this in a recent CBC article. It’s either Hampton Road or the highway, nowhere’s in between. McKay builders proposed a building on Hampton Road this past season and council shot it down due to traffic concerns.

The Mackay highway will be NB’s version of Halifax’s Bi-High.

[cdnguys]

Here is the one on the old Esso site (Clark and Gondola).

Maybe Rothesay is the hot spot for new builds now

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[cdnguys]

July 10th will be a huge port day if schedule is met. Two of the largest container ships to call on Saint John in on the same day

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[ColSJ]

Originally Posted by cdnguys

Here is the one on the old Esso site (Clark and Gondola).

Maybe Rothesay is the hot spot for new builds now

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It won’t last long. NIMBYism is alive and well in Rothesay and if they are already shooting down proposals based on traffic concerns there isn’t much hope for a project 5-10 years down the line.

The ultimate test for Rothesay’s future is whether or not they will want to invest in infrastructure to support a new neighbourhood along the highway. Millennium Drive has a good sized lot, and there appears to be a significant amount of land available between Riverside Golf Course & Campbell Drive exit.

Quispam has the edge for future growth. They have a significantly more land to work with.

[sailor734]

Originally Posted by ColSJ

It won’t last long. NIMBYism is alive and well in Rothesay and if they are already shooting down proposals based on traffic concerns there isn’t much hope for a project 5-10 years down the line.

The ultimate test for Rothesay’s future is whether or not they will want to invest in infrastructure to support a new neighbourhood along the highway. Millennium Drive has a good sized lot, and there appears to be a significant amount of land available between Riverside Golf Course & Campbell Drive exit.

Quispam has the edge for future growth. They have a significantly more land to work with.

It's hard to get very excited about these utilitarian 3-4 story boxes. They all look the same to me. Still, I guess they provide needed housing relatively cheaply and quickly and that's what is in demand. I'd love to see mid to high rise housing that has some architectural interest and high end features/finishes start to be built in uptown SJ. Speaking as an empty nester who lives in a traditional detached home that's what might entice me to make a move to downsize.

[ColSJ]

Originally Posted by sailor734

It's hard to get very excited about these utilitarian 3-4 story boxes. They all look the same to me. Still, I guess they provide needed housing relatively cheaply and quickly and that's what is in demand. I'd love to see mid to high rise housing that has some architectural interest and high end features/finishes start to be built in uptown SJ. Speaking as an empty nester who lives in a traditional detached home that's what might entice me to make a move to downsize.

Utilitarian 3-4 storey boxes are exactly what Rothesay will consider and only consider. If you want to find out what happens when you propose something outside of that lenses, find the backstory to the Holland Hills development.

[ColSJ]

Originally Posted by cdnguys

July 10th will be a huge port day if schedule is met. Two of the largest container ships to call on Saint John in on the same day

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PSJ posted CPKC CEO Keith Creel’s speech from Port Days and there were two things that stood out to me.

He mentions PSJ will be at 800,000 TEUs by the end of 2024. While closing out he mentioned partners he wanted to thank including “partners yet that we can’t talk about that are coming to Saint John”.

Similar to what someone else posted I’m guessing some large investments in the private sector are well beyond the behind the napkin sketch and it’s only a matter of time before we hear about them.

[sailor734]

Originally Posted by ColSJ

PSJ posted CPKC CEO Keith Creel’s speech from Port Days and there were two things that stood out to me.

He mentions PSJ will be at 800,000 TEUs by the end of 2024. While closing out he mentioned partners he wanted to thank including “partners yet that we can’t talk about that are coming to Saint John”.

Similar to what someone else posted I’m guessing some large investments in the private sector are well beyond the behind the napkin sketch and it’s only a matter of time before we hear about them.

These recent developments in the port and rail service through Saint John are certainly good news. Although, I haven't seen any estimates about the impact on actual employment numbers.

Way back in the days of the 'winter port" I think I've read there were something like several thousand employed at the port during the height of the season. Of course in those days cargo handling was hugely labour intensive and ships were often docked for days on end. You'd also see numerous vessels anchored off the port waiting for a slip to open. As a kid I remember listening to CFBC before going to school in the morning and they would always announce the hiring needs of the port for that day for longshoreman ( numbers of different sized "gangs", number of lift jack operators, numbers of checkers etc)

[cdnguys]

Originally Posted by ColSJ

PSJ posted CPKC CEO Keith Creel’s speech from Port Days and there were two things that stood out to me.

He mentions PSJ will be at 800,000 TEUs by the end of 2024. While closing out he mentioned partners he wanted to thank including “partners yet that we can’t talk about that are coming to Saint John”.

Similar to what someone else posted I’m guessing some large investments in the private sector are well beyond the behind the napkin sketch and it’s only a matter of time before we hear about them.

Halifax seemed to have peaked at 600,000 TEUs and they have an impressive daily vessel report. So for SJ to exceed that by 200,000 you most likely will need a major shipper making SJ their main point of entry into North America and call on port every other day. Curious who that would be. Any guesses? There have been hints for years a major player is coming - makes sense why else would Dubai World invest tens of millions for only maintaining 150,000 TEUs

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[Ottawa]

Originally Posted by cdnguys

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We are able to do that with the space we have. It just needs 1-2 more cranes added to the current 4, the biggest open water slips filled in, and some extra carrying capacity on dock to move the containers around on dock.

I think they are planning on stacking the containers more than 4 high. That's one reason why they would have gone from 200 lbs/sq ft to 2,000 lbs/sq ft at least on the filled in slips. Stacking over 4 high will likely require new stacking equipment.

After that, my guess is they are going for auto RO-RO on another pier and/or further expansion of container capacity.

Once CSX gets their mainline to Mattawamkeag up to at least 25 mph speed, they will be looking at import/export opportunities themselves. They have to be talking to shippers already.

So the infrastructure is being built on dock to handle 800K. The opportunity is the distance/time to tidewater, and the deepwater port. Shipping companies are moving to larger(more efficient) ships that just won't fit on the St Lawrence. Those older ships are simply going to stop running in the near future and be repurposed or sent to the recycle bin so shippers are looking, as always, for the best alternative in time, location, and capability. Saint John ticks all of those boxes, or will very soon.

[ColSJ]

Talk of new shipping lines is indeed exciting but I'd also like to see our existing lines beef up their operations. MSC hasn't sent a ship to Saint John bigger than 2600 TEU in a while and CMA's ships have been small from the beginning. CMA signed an agreement with CP last year to move their containers but I haven't noticed much of a difference in volume.

[adamuptownsj]

The obvious move would be reducing the AIM presence to 'outbound only' and relocate the rest of it to an industrial park with rail access. The port's 'secret plan' is 6-7 cranes overall and I dunno where else they would go. Build a whole new pier between the ferry terminal and AIM?

Maybe part of the deal with SJ to develop Long Wharf would be a refurbishment of Lower Cove (plus extension of it over the sugar refinery site) into a more active piece of port infrastructure. It would not be too difficult to reconnect rail access to it.

[NewIreland]

Originally Posted by adamuptownsj

The obvious move would be reducing the AIM presence to 'outbound only' and relocate the rest of it to an industrial park with rail access. The port's 'secret plan' is 6-7 cranes overall and I dunno where else they would go. Build a whole new pier between the ferry terminal and AIM?

Maybe part of the deal with SJ to develop Long Wharf would be a refurbishment of Lower Cove (plus extension of it over the sugar refinery site) into a more active piece of port infrastructure. It would not be too difficult to reconnect rail access to it.

I noticed on Port Saint John's website that DP World's property has been extended to the old pier between AIM and the ferry terminal, so maybe there are plans for that site
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