Manitoba | Highways

[Danny D Oh]

Originally Posted by esquire

^ The bus was reportedly going from Dauphin to the casino south of Carberry, so it would have likely been turning. It was a divided highway and an 80 zone IIRC. Nothing here suggests this was a likely place for a major mishap... it's not as treacherous as the Humboldt Broncos bus collision intersection. Something went catastrophically wrong here in a very unlikely way.

Bus would have been going straight south through intersection.

As a SUV driver, that median yield area is quite small even compared to others I travel often such as 1 and 13. I can't imagine a 25 passenger bus would have had space to wait, would have to be able to take all 4 lanes at once.

Highway 1 does drop to 80 between a rail crossing and this intersection.

Bus driver must have misjudged speed. Could be both at fault depending on speed of the semi.

[Danny D Oh]

Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

A lot of you have been saying 80 kph. When I drove through back in 2017, it was 110 kph. When was it changed?

It drops to 80 for a short stretch there. There's an at-grade controlled rail crossing then this junction. Then it goes back to 110 on either side (after the rail crossing if you're westbound, after the junction eastbound). Lots of people don't slow down there and I've often seen the RCMP set up speed traps there.

Could very likely be that both drivers are in the wrong here, speeding semi and bus that misjudged speed and unsafely crossed oncoming lanes.

[Danny D Oh]

Originally Posted by thurmas

Details of the crash so far sound very similar to the humboldt crash. there was a stop sign the semi truck was trying to turn eastbound onto highway 1. handi transit bus was full of seniors looks like the bus exploded upon impact with roof melted off. very tragic day.

Semi was on 1 travelling eastbound. Bus was on 5 southbound crossing highway 1 to get to casino south of this intersection.

[thurmas]

Originally Posted by Danny D Oh

Semi was on 1 travelling eastbound. Bus was on 5 southbound crossing highway 1 to get to casino south of this intersection.

thanks for clarifying

[Danny D Oh]

Now that I think about it...I think it only drops from 110 to 100 for that intersection. I drive through a lot of speed drops when we travel.

[VANRIDERFAN]

Originally Posted by Danny D Oh

Now that I think about it...I think it only drops from 110 to 100 for that intersection. I drive through a lot of speed drops when we travel.

No, it drops to 80 there.

[Carboy15]

Originally Posted by Hecate

Massive crash on the Trans-Canada just outside of Carberry. Some reporting 15 dead. When are we going to start demanding better infrastructure.

I don't know if I should blame the drivers or the intersection itself. At the same time, they minimally need to put stop lights there to promote safety.

[rrskylar]

Originally Posted by Carboy15

I don't know if I should blame the drivers or the intersection itself. At the same time, they minimally need to put stop lights there to promote safety.

Blame successive federal and provincial govt.s for a lack of overpasses along our so called national highway, the Trans Canada is a national disgrace….


But money for everyone and everything outside the country!


So sad for those 15 people who lost their lives!

[Carboy15]

Originally Posted by rrskylar

Blame successive federal and provincial govt.s for a lack of overpasses along our so called national highway, the Trans Canada is a national disgrace….


But money for everyone and everything outside the country!


So sad for those 15 people who lost their lives!

There are things we could do to step up our highway game. Overpasses can be the ultimate goal, but the province should invest in service roads and close dirt road intersections on Hwy 1. Like what they did on the perimeter. Do we really need roads at every mile? Like on Interstate 29 between Canada to Grand Forks, and from GF to Fargo. The road has exits every 2 to 4 miles depending on the area. In rural areas, there should be an intersection (ultimate interchange) every 3 to 4 miles, and in urban areas, say Brandon or Portage La Prairie should have interchanges 1 to 3 miles apart depending on usage of intersection. Above all, take out less used intersections, except for highways.

[bryan_ca]

Originally Posted by Carboy15

There are things we could do to step up our highway game. Overpasses can be the ultimate goal, but the province should invest in service roads and close dirt road intersections on Hwy 1. Like what they did on the perimeter. Do we really need roads at every mile? Like on Interstate 29 between Canada to Grand Forks, and from GF to Fargo. The road has exits every 2 to 4 miles depending on the area. In rural areas, there should be an intersection (ultimate interchange) every 3 to 4 miles, and in urban areas, say Brandon or Portage La Prairie should have interchanges 1 to 3 miles apart depending on usage of intersection. Above all, take out less used intersections, except for highways.

Well, we know there is no stop sign on the Trans-Canada. This is like Humboldt in reverse. The semi definitely had the right-of-way and was probably going 100 to 110. What they need to find out is how the bus driver didn't see a huge big-rig at 11:45 am in clear daylight conditions. Tragic.

[WildCake]

Originally Posted by Carboy15

There are things we could do to step up our highway game. Overpasses can be the ultimate goal, but the province should invest in service roads and close dirt road intersections on Hwy 1. Like what they did on the perimeter. Do we really need roads at every mile? Like on Interstate 29 between Canada to Grand Forks, and from GF to Fargo. The road has exits every 2 to 4 miles depending on the area. In rural areas, there should be an intersection (ultimate interchange) every 3 to 4 miles, and in urban areas, say Brandon or Portage La Prairie should have interchanges 1 to 3 miles apart depending on usage of intersection. Above all, take out less used intersections, except for highways.

Shutting down mile accesses won't change the amount of cars that cross the highway. They'll just be forced to drive further but that's about it. If you improved the amalgamated intersections with acceleration and deceleration lanes then that might change things a bit.

Closing dirt road accesses on Perimeter worked because it forced traffic to controlled intersections, whether an interchange or light-controlled. A couple of exceptions such as the Symington road exist but evem that instersection also saw improvements.

That being said, today's incident was at an intersection that most certainly would be maintained, not closed, if such a plan was put in place. Unfortunately we live in a low density country without a national highway program. With Manitoba having to play catch up around Winnipeg it will a while before remote low-volume intersections get interchanges

[rrskylar]

Originally Posted by bryan_ca

Well, we know there is no stop sign on the Trans-Canada. This is like Humboldt in reverse. The semi definitely had the right-of-way and was probably going 100 to 110. What they need to find out is how the bus driver didn't see a huge big-rig at 11:45 am in clear daylight conditions. Tragic.

The section of the Trans Canada slows to 80 before and after #5 for short distance, but yeah the semi driver probably was going 100 or 110!

[Biff]

From the WFP Jun 15, 2023



https://www.winnipegfreepress.com/breaki...ious-crash-on-trans-canada-near-carberry

[WildCake]

Originally Posted by rrskylar

The section of the Trans Canada slows to 80 before and after #5 for short distance, but yeah the semi driver probably was going 100 or 110!

The speed reduction is only to 100. There's no 80 section. I think that got removed when the speed limit increase to 110 happened. If I'm not mistaken it was the same setup around 1 and 13 where the 80 was removed in favor of a 100 zone.

[drew]

^ based on the location of all the tarps (over 11-12 bodies) it appears most of the deaths occurred due to the collision itself and not the subsequent fire. The truck must have hit the bus in the back section where everyone was sitting.

[bomberjet]

Tragic.

IIRC there's only about 4 or 5 locations where the speed drops from 110 on the #1 from Winnipeg to Saskatchewan. Virden, Brandon, Carberry, PTH 16 and maybe another one (Elie?).

Those locations should get priority for upgrades to interchanges. Which I think we already know. Maybe the outcome from this tragedy will kick start that process. Hoping but not holding my breath.

[Dengler Avenue]

Originally Posted by bomberjet

Tragic.

IIRC there's only about 4 or 5 locations where the speed drops from 110 on the #1 from Winnipeg to Saskatchewan. Virden, Brandon, Carberry, PTH 16 and maybe another one.

Those locations should get priority for upgrades to interchanges. Which I think we already know. Maybe the outcome from this tragedy will kick start that process. Hoping but not holding my breath.

Even if it means a change in the government (just inserting a modifier to your point)

Indeed, condolences to all who were involved.

[esquire]

^ No political party has really distinguished itself when it comes to transportation infrastructure improvement. The Doer NDP did relatively well by recent Manitoba standards, but that probably had more to do with the taps flowing more freely from Ottawa over that period than anything else. I think anyone voting NDP expecting major highway improvements will be sorely disappointed.

[Dengler Avenue]

Originally Posted by esquire

^ No political party has really distinguished itself when it comes to transportation infrastructure improvement. The Doer NDP did relatively well by recent Manitoba standards, but that probably had more to do with the taps flowing more freely from Ottawa over that period than anything else.

At least that was someone who wouldn’t fight the federal government. Given the current state, that would be something.

[rrskylar]

Originally Posted by WildCake

The speed reduction is only to 100. There's no 80 section. I think that got removed when the speed limit increase to 110 happened. If I'm not mistaken it was the same setup around 1 and 13 where the 80 was removed in favor of a 100 zone.

Guess I'm thinking about SK where all major uncontrolled connections to the TCH drop to 80!