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Old Posted Apr 21, 2023, 10:54 PM
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Sigh. Those are maximum heights that may achieve (unusually round numbers wouldn't you agree?). They could include projections above the mechanical penthouse rooves. The Architectural Site Plan (p.6) lists the tops of the mechanical penthouse rooves and the Brisebois grade. eg. Tower C: 196.05m - 65.750 = 130.307.
I'm going to provide exact height numbers when I have a little more time later. I think my the numbers 104/119/134 metres make perfect sense.

We round off the architect's heights all the time for presentation in the industry by the way.
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My numbers are 104.06/118.25/133.75. Pretty damned close to exact based on the drawings. Very close to the listed maximum heights.
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From Hurdman to Lees on the Confederation line is only about 700m... Bayview to Booth is ~820m and Carling to Gladstone is ~840m...

If there's a lot of potential riders - maybe it's not a terrible idea... assuming it has enough density - and the developer kicks in a few million to help build it.
I'll also add that the negative effects of additional stations on existing rider's travel times are less important near the end of the line. An infill station between Place d'Orleans Station and Trim Station would only impact riders who board/alight at Trim Station.

In comparison, an infill station near Island Park Drive (between Westboro Station and Tunney's Station) would impact the travel time of everyone who travels from west of Tunney's Pasture to Tunney's Pasture and points east.
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This proposal really checks most of the boxes we are looking for on here.

I think the 30/35/40 is the most intriguing for me. I would expect the design to be modified but seems to be a pretty good start. Podiums look awesome!
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The developer is calling this The Denizen
https://www.bayviewgroup.com/
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I was just there a couple of weeks ago having driven someone to a medical appointment. Then I parked while waiting.

In general, I like the proposal and I think it will add to what seemed like a 'fake' neighbourhood main street area because there was no residential.

But as an apartment dweller I wonder about the balcony railings. Things fly around on my balcony quite often due to the wind at my height. Keeping things well below the level of the railing helps minimize that and when I'm out there and gust blows dinner off the table (it has happened), nothing goes over because of the solid sides of the balcony.

The only time I've had anything go over the side was the time I was waving a large bubble wand and it broke free from the handle and landed in the parking lot.

I keep my plants lower than the edge of the balcony and any grape tomatoes that fall off end up on the balcony itself. They are better sheltered from the wind so grow better.

Not to mention, since we are supposed to be making apartment dwelling suitable for families.... letting the kids out there with smaller toys would not be possible. Sure, the kids could see better (right now I have to lift up the youngest to see through the plexiglass level on top of the concrete) but the thought of so much blowing or falling over the sides really disturbs me.
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ya know, if this actually gets built as proposed, this would actually be amazing even downtown lol. i'm all for it. build it up. i like these towers and the ones at bayshore as well as richmond
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The developer is calling this The Denizen
https://www.bayviewgroup.com/
Rendering on the website is quite different from the rendering from DevApps.
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Rendering on the website is quite different from the rendering from DevApps.
It's just a placeholder. It's actually this:

https://promenadeparktowers.ca/
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‘Wow effect’: Toronto developer proposes three-tower project at Orléans Town Centre

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June 12, 2023 5:01 PM ET




In a move that would dramatically reshape the east-end skyline, a Toronto-based developer has applied to build a trio of mixed-use highrises in Orléans that would include more than 1,100 residential units along with retail and office space. Bayview Group’s proposal calls for towers of 30, 35 and 40 storeys on a 2.2-acre plot of land at 265 Centrum Blvd. The property, located just east of Place d’Orléans mall, is part of the Orléans Town Centre, a retail and entertainment district that features shops, restaurants, a movie theatre and the Shenkman Arts Centre. The site is currently occupied by a two-storey recreational facility that formerly housed the Ruddy Family YM-YWCA and is now home to a climbing gym and a basketball training centre. Bayview Group purchased the property from the YMCA of the National Capital Region in January 2022. Bayview Group managing director Sumeer Gulamani told OBJ the company’s proposal is “an opportunity to completely change the landscape” of the area, which is located less than 250 metres from a future LRT station on the extended Confederation Line. “We get to kind of set the pace, set the design standard and feel like we move the needle to changing that neighbourhood,” Gulamani said in an interview last week. “There is kind of a wow effect when you look at this application from what the neighbourhood looks like now and what it will look like when hopefully this all gets developed.” Indeed, Bayview’s plan dwarfs any development project currently under consideration in Orléans. In total, the three towers would add 700,000 square feet of real estate to the Orléans Town Centre. Most of the space would be devoted to 1,127 residential suites, and Bayview plans to kick off the development with a 30-storey, 200,000-square-foot highrise with 328 units. But the multi-phased proposal also calls for almost 9,000 square feet of ground-floor retail space and more than 31,000 square feet of office space in a 35-storey highrise that would be built in a later phase. Gulamani said it “remains to be seen” whether the residential units will be rental apartments, condominiums or a mix of both.

“The market has changed quite a lot even since we acquired the land,” he explained. “Condos made a lot of sense probably right up until the time that the (Bank of Canada) started to raise rates in response to inflation. There was a boom in condo demand. That has obviously slowed in Ottawa. It’s going to depend on what happens (with market conditions).” The development site falls within territory that has been earmarked for intensification under the recently approved Orléans Corridor Secondary Plan, which is currently under appeal to the Ontario Land Tribunal. Orléans East-Cumberland Coun. Matthew Luloff said Bayview’s proposal is “definitely in line” with the City of Ottawa’s new Official Plan and the Orléans secondary plan, which aim to promote higher-density mixed-use development within 800 metres of transit stations from Jeanne d’Arc Boulevard to Trim Road. Luloff said he will push for affordable units to be part of the proposal as a means to help address the region’s growing housing shortage. “This is an appropriate location for it,” he added. “We’re expecting new communities to grow around these stations.” Bayview’s plan is the latest in a spate of new development proposals that could potentially add hundreds of new residential units to the east-end suburb.

Just down the road, a two-tower, 320,000-square-foot retirement home with nearly 400 units is set to be built on the site of the former Royal Bank building at 211 Centrum Blvd. Meanwhile, a 16-storey highrise is in the planning stages for property just south of the Town Centre on St. Joseph Boulevard. Gulamani said he’s not surprised that the city’s far east end is suddenly having its moment in the sun, calling the area “ripe” for intensification. The Orléans Town Centre “didn’t really take off in the way that it was originally imagined,” he noted, but he believes his firm’s proposal could help attract a “critical mass” of residents who will “breathe new life” into the neighbourhood. “In a way, Orléans has kind of been neglected by the development community,” Gulamani said. “I think we’re in the right place at the right time. I think that we’re producing something that is going to be very much in demand.” Tannis Vine, the executive director of the Heart of Orléans Business Improvement Area, said any plan that brings more residents and visitors to the east end will be a boon to her organization’s members. “Orléans needs more of this,” Vine said in an email. The city and the developer are expected to hold public consultations on the proposal in the next few months. Luloff said the project has drawn “mixed reviews” from residents who’ve seen the application, and he admitted the 40-storey tower might be a bit of a stretch for some of his constituents. “I think we’re going as far as we can on that,” he said. “I’m not quite certain that will be the final iteration of the proposal.” But on balance, Luloff said, the project would make the area “a more desirable place to live” and help kickstart the local economy by bringing more people and businesses to the east end. “Centrum has never really been able to realize its full potential, for the same reason that Sparks Street hasn’t and for the same reason that St. Joseph hasn’t yet – because no one actually lives there,” Luloff said. “You can have all the greatest restaurants, but that’s not going to make a difference if there aren’t people that live there. “You have to have that sort of critical mass, that intensity of development, to support the amenities that people want. I think that it can be done. Change is coming, but I believe that the pros are going to far outweigh the cons when you can go to a world-class restaurant on St. Joseph or be at a brewery or coffee shop steps from where you live.”

https://obj.ca/developer-proposes-three-tower-orleans-project/
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Does anyone else find it odd that a Toronto developer would market the biggest project in Orleans history as 'The Denizen' and not 'L'Habitant'? Seems like a bit of a marketing gaffe to me
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Does anyone else find it odd that a Toronto developer would market the biggest project in Orleans history as 'The Denizen' and not 'L'Habitant'? Seems like a bit of a marketing gaffe to me
Not even sure I understand 'The Denizen'. In any case, they probably don't understand the market, hence the nice design. Once they realize they don't need to invest in a nice design to sell us the towers, they'll dumb it down.

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Luloff said the project has drawn “mixed reviews” from residents who’ve seen the application, and he admitted the 40-storey tower might be a bit of a stretch for some of his constituents. “I think we’re going as far as we can on that,” he said. “I’m not quite certain that will be the final iteration of the proposal.”
This project would literally effect no one. This is our opportunity to show people tall buildings, especially some that are far from any existing residential area.
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Hope these get built as shown. But I'm expecting a bait and switch and height chop. Call me a cynic.
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Hope these get built as shown. But I'm expecting a bait and switch and height chop. Call me a cynic.
Calling you a realist.
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Calling you a realist.
Thank you kind sir. Unfortunately we have had all the more innovative or interesting projects drop the ball back to back to back. The trend we are on now is not good.
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40 story tower might be a bit of a stretch for some constituents in Orleans Hmm? Too much shadow over the freeway? Too much rekindling of a dying commercial district? Too much 'I don't want to see the top of a mega skyscraper peeking over the fence of my pie lot while I'm sitting in the hot tub because I didn't expect this area to grow when I bought my (now) $3 million house for $350,000 in 2006.'?
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265 Centrum Blvd | 30/35/40f | Proposed

Kinda digging this....I live in Orleans and would love to see this built as is!

https://obj.ca/developer-proposes-three-...PRL1qUxoiX024oRsE8IWgZtgMo6pXOfAXpOhaO9M
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Kinda digging this....I live in Orleans and would love to see this built as is!

https://obj.ca/developer-proposes-three-...PRL1qUxoiX024oRsE8IWgZtgMo6pXOfAXpOhaO9M
I'm very much digging this one!

The thread is here :
https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/showthread.php?p=9967615#post9967615

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Kinda digging this....I live in Orleans and would love to see this built as is!

https://obj.ca/developer-proposes-three-...PRL1qUxoiX024oRsE8IWgZtgMo6pXOfAXpOhaO9M
Already have a thread for this one:

https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/showthread.php?t=254520
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Ahh! Correct...feel free to delete!
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