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Old Posted Apr 3, 2023, 11:37 PM
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I find it interesting that the VPD budget is exempt.
The province showed the last council that the VPD budget is untouchable, so that's kind of the situation we live in. I'm not a huge fan but I'd take that up with the province.
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Old Posted Apr 3, 2023, 11:54 PM
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The province showed the last council that the VPD budget is untouchable, so that's kind of the situation we live in. I'm not a huge fan but I'd take that up with the province.
Jesus I already forgot about that. What a shyte show
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Vancouver Sun: B.C.'s housing plan aims to increase 'missing-middle' housing, legalize all secondary suites

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The B.C. government will overhaul municipal zoning rules to allow for more so-called “missing-middle” housing, such as townhomes and multiplex homes on single-family lots. It will also introduce a flipping tax and legalize all secondary suites as part of Premier David Eby’s housing strategy announced on Monday.

Critics, however, said the plan lacks specific details and a sense of urgency since most of the required legislation won’t be introduced until the fall. There are also concerns that upzoning single-family lots could push land prices up further as homeowners jockey to sell to developers at the highest price.

“Simply put, we need to build more homes for people faster,” Eby said during a news conference in Victoria. Later this year, the NDP will introduce legislation that will allow three to four units on a traditional single-family detached lot, and even higher density in areas close to transit hubs.

“Single-family detached homes are out of reach for many middle-class people. And one- or two-bedroom condos often don’t meet the needs of growing families. Family friendly neighbourhoods need more small-scale, multi-unit homes.”

Once passed, the new legislation will mean that when a multi-unit development on a single-family lot goes before a municipal council, as long as it meets all the parameters around setbacks and size, the council must approve the project.

The debate over missing-middle housing has been divisive in many communities, with proponents calling for creative solutions that will make owning a home more attainable. Opponents question whether missing-middle housing will actually bring prices down.

In Wilson Commons, the townhome development that served as the backdrop to Eby’s announcement, a three-bedroom, two-bathroom townhouse is listed for $999,000 in a city where the average price of the single-family home is just under $1 million.

Those kind of prices, B.C. Green MLA Adam Olsen said, show that the government’s reliance on the market to create the necessary housing has only made real estate more expensive.

“The market has created these conditions, and now you’re just going to put a bunch more public money into it and say, ‘The thing that broke it is the thing that’s going to fix it.’ There’s a very serious breakdown and cognitive dissonance,” Olsen said.

The City of Victoria in January passed its missing-middle housing policy, which will allow up to six units to be built on a single-family lot. Vancouver council is considering whether to legalize buildings with up to six units on a single-family lot on low-density residential side streets.

Luke Mari of Victoria-based Aryze Developments said a B.C.-wide missing-middle policy will create a new type of real estate developer, the “homeowner developer” who will be able to build a triplex in their backyard without a lengthy rezoning process.

It makes no sense, Eby said, that a homeowner can easily tear down their home to build a bigger one without a complex rezoning process, but the process to build a multi-unit home for several families takes up to two years to green light.

The move to create more missing-middle housing was applauded by Bridget Ryan, a Victoria renter and post-doctoral student at the University of Victoria who said she “feels trapped by this market.”

The 36-year-old said she and her husband have put off having kids until they find stable, long-term housing.

“This obviously has the potential to have some fairly significant changes in communities,” said Port Coquitlam Mayor Brad West. However, he stressed the province will have to work with municipalities to ensure adequate infrastructure services are added to support increased density.

Oak Bay Mayor Kevin Murdoch said he is concerned that “at first blush (the policy) seems to gut all of the land-use planning that (municipalities) have.”

“What’s not clear to me at this point is where we need to have some control and where we want to shape the communities that we want to live in, if the municipalities will have any control over those aspects.”

B.C. Liberal housing critic Karin Kirkpatrick worries the upzoning policy could actually increase speculation as single-family lots could rise in value based on their development potential.

The danger with province-wide upzoning is that it could result in a land rush, said Andy Yan, director of the City Program at Simon Fraser University.

“Will speculators and investors suddenly rush in to purchase real estate at sizable markups in anticipation of the idea that they can build more?” he asked.

Yan applauded the overall plan, saying it “really touched upon not only just one aspect of housing policy, but several with supply, demand and finance.”

The Union of B.C. Municipalities will be talking to local mayors and councillors for feedback on the province-wide rezoning for single-family lots, said UBCM president Jen Ford.

“Whenever (provincial) jurisdiction crosses into zoning and land use, we certainly want to hear from our members, and our members want to be engaged by the province before that regulation comes into effect,” Ford said.

The B.C. government will also legalize all secondary suites in B.C., taking the choice away from municipalities. In some communities, secondary suites are still illegal, a policy Eby says chokes the supply of affordable rentals.

Starting next year, the province will offer loans up to a maximum of $40,000 for homeowners to build and rent secondary suites. The loans will be forgiven as long as the homeowner rents the unit at below-market rates for at least five years.

That underscores the inequity between government-funded help for homeowners versus renters, Kirkpatrick said, noting that renters are only eligible for the $400-a-year income-tested tax credit, which works out to just $33 a month.

British Columbians who buy a home just to flip it for a profit will also be hit with a flipping tax that will be introduced later this year.

“If your lifestyle depends on flipping houses, you’re going to be upset by this tax,” Eby said, adding that homes should be for families, not for speculators.

There were few details about the tax rate, but Eby’s housing platform, released before he became premier, said the tax would apply to those who hold a residential property for two years or less. The quicker someone buys and sells a home, the higher the tax would be.

The government will also work with municipalities to strengthen enforcement of short-term rentals such as Airbnbs to ensure people aren’t operating them under the radar without paying the required taxes.

Eby promised to build 6,000 more affordable homes through the Community Housing Fund. Some B.C. mayors have complained that shovel-ready affordable housing projects are languishing because of a lack of funding from B.C. Housing.

In December, Eby admitted there’s a backlog in government funding for affordable housing, with B.C. Housing only approving one out of five applications for new affordable housing from non-profit organizations.

Eby also said the plan will provide more housing for people living on the street, including 3,900 more supportive housing units and 240 more purpose-built complex care housing units for people with severe mental-health and addictions issues. The government pledged to build another 1,750 homes to be built for Indigenous people living on and off reserve, and another 4,000 on-campus homes for students.

The plan references Eby’s January announcement that the province will create a streamlined provincial housing permit system that will bring approval times to months instead of the current wait time of two years.

Eby’s Housing Supply Act, which will take effect later this year, will set housing targets for municipalities. Municipalities that meet those targets will get provincial cash for amenities, such as parks, bike lanes and recreation centres. Those that don’t meet the target face the risk of being overruled by the province, which has the power to rezone entire neighbourhoods to create more density.
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We've been talking about this on the 'EcoDensity: making Vancouver sustainable, livable, affordable' thread.
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We're adding bureaucracy in order to reduce bureaucracy. Oh the irony.
And it's volunteer-based, so I'm sure the work will be top-notch and the recommendations will have teeth...
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Old Posted Apr 4, 2023, 6:15 PM
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Not to mention how this attracts anybody with a conflict of interest and/or an axe to grind (for example, certain TEAM members who have a lot of free time now that they didn't make it into Council)...
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We're adding bureaucracy in order to reduce bureaucracy. Oh the irony.
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Not to mention how this attracts anybody with a conflict of interest and/or an axe to grind (for example, certain TEAM members who have a lot of free time now that they didn't make it into Council)...
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And it's volunteer-based, so I'm sure the work will be top-notch and the recommendations will have teeth...
Or perhaps you guys prefer having no one overseeing how the City spends the money? At least they don't need to spend a lot more for this. Even without teeth, at least the media and public can know what happens behind the scenes, making us more informed during the next general election.

Better suggestion anyone?
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Old Posted Apr 4, 2023, 9:20 PM
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Or perhaps you guys prefer having no one overseeing how the City spends the money? At least they don't need to spend a lot more for this. Even without teeth, at least the media and public can know what happens behind the scenes, making us more informed during the next general election.

Better suggestion anyone?
The City's finances are an open book. Why not dig through them yourself and come up with some ideas?
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BC Electoral Boundaries Commission final report on electoral district redrawing was tabled yesterday.

https://bcebc.ca/final-report/

Interactive map with final version:

https://bcebc.ca/2022-final-electoral-division-names-populations-and-deviations/?step=map-all
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Or perhaps you guys prefer having no one overseeing how the City spends the money? At least they don't need to spend a lot more for this. Even without teeth, at least the media and public can know what happens behind the scenes, making us more informed during the next general election.

Better suggestion anyone?
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The City's finances are an open book. Why not dig through them yourself and come up with some ideas?
^ What Warren said. Despite their election platform, ABC's already checked the budget, found absolutely nothing they can trim in order to afford the items they promised to pass, and are now looking for somebody who'll work for free to do the job they said they'd do themselves; let's hope their volunteers are competent and unbiased.
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It's funny how not everybody notices the pattern:
  • Outsider calls incumbent administration corrupt and/or inefficient.
  • Outsider makes vague promises to "make things happen faster" by "clearing red tape" if elected.
  • Outsider gets elected.
  • Outsider runs things practically the exact same way the incumbent did.
  • Rinse and repeat.
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It's funny how not everybody notices the pattern:
  • Outsider calls incumbent administration corrupt and/or inefficient.
  • Outsider makes vague promises to "make things happen faster" by "clearing red tape" if elected.
  • Outsider gets elected.
  • Outsider runs things practically the exact same way the incumbent did.
  • Rinse and repeat.
You forgot the step of either eliminating policies that the incumbent implemented that the outsider doesn't like, or if they're popular and/or effective policies then slowly sabotaging them through mismanagement and austerity.
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You also forgot VIBES
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Select Standing Committee on Finance and Government Services: Annual Budget Consultation

Budget 2024 Consultation Open

Share your priorities for the next provincial budget! Participate by providing written input through the submission form by 2:00 p.m. (Pacific) on Friday, June 16.

Read the Budget 2024 Consultation Paper (pdf)
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Not sure where this goes, I figure here's as good as anywhere.

BC government is looking to Vienna and Singapore for public housing models, says Minister of Housing
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The last few months in British Columbia have been highly eventful in the topical realm of housing affordability and homelessness, with the provincial government taking the first steps on its new ambitious multi-faceted housing affordability and supply strategy.

It is a $4-billion, multi-year strategy to invest in tens of thousands of new homes across the housing continuum of social and supportive housing, below-market rental housing, market rental housing, and purpose-built student housing to reduce pressure on the rental market...
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...When Premier David Eby was running for the BC NDP party leadership race last fall, he mentioned the idea of launching BC’s very own public housing system. We saw some details in the recent provincial budget on BC Builds, but are you able to further elaborate on what it could look like?

The concept of BC Builds, which we will be providing more information later in the year, is very much aligned with what we see in other jurisdictions. We’re looking at places like Vienna and Singapore as examples, where social housing isn’t just for low-income people. The idea of social housing is housing for the middle class, as well as people who are lower income, where you build more healthy and wholesome communities. That is what BC Builds will be.

We are in the process right now of creating an inventory of province-owned, municipal-owned, school board-owned, and other government-owned land so that we can do an assessment of where the ideal opportunities are to build housing for the middle class and low-income earners...

... The days of selling our lands at cheap costs to private developers, hoping that one day they’ll build housing, is gone, and I hope it never comes back.

The province recently introduced Bill 26 as a measure to circumvent the court challenge by a Kitsilano residents advocacy group to stall BC Housing’s new affordable housing project next to SkyTrain’s future Arbutus Station. What are your thoughts on those who say this is too much of a heavy-handed approach? Can this legislation be used for other projects in the future?

We have people who are sleeping in RVs, tentsm (sic) and parks. In fact, a few blocks from that Arbutus site, there are people living in Vanier Park who can’t find affordable housing and are struggling and need supports.

Here we have a project that we spent two years trying to get an approval, six days of public hearings, and long hours of deliberation from City Council, and only then did we finally got approval. And now we’re dealing with the courts because they’re saying we haven’t consulted enough...

... We can now go ahead and proceed with the project, and meet the timelines to get the housing built. And yes, we do have Bill 26 as an option for future projects.

We’ve got to get to the point where we get to “Yes” on these projects. There’s a lot of reasons to say no, and some are very good reasons, but we need to find ways to mitigate those challenges and impacts, and get to a point where we’re actually approving projects. It’s just happening way too slow. We want to make sure all projects move faster in this province.
Sounds like the province is going to directly intervene in municipal development. Let's hope it doesn't end up like Ontario's.
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BC government is looking to Vienna and Singapore for public housing models, says Minister of Housing

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Sounds like the province is going to directly intervene in municipal development. Let's hope it doesn't end up like Ontario's.
I'm sure it will be as successful as other provincial areas of responsibility like Surrey Memorial Hospital.
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Province has picked their 10 cities to increase housing targets this year with Fall roll-out of their battle plans (so far sounding similar to allowing outright Vancouver's multi-plex program)

https://news.gov.bc.ca/releases/2023HOUS0059-000851

The selected municipalities are:

City of Abbotsford
City of Delta
City of Kamloops
District North Vancouver
District of Oak Bay
City of Port Moody
District of Saanich
City of Vancouver
City of Victoria
District of West Vancouver
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BC government is looking to Vienna and Singapore for public housing models, says Minister of Housing

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Sounds like the province is going to directly intervene in municipal development. Let's hope it doesn't end up like Ontario's.


That's a complete waste of time and effort, especially when so many municipalities tax private developments to allow for public housing.

Any cost savings from developing public land themselves would be counteracted by that.


https://marketurbanism.com/2020/08/05/the-limits-of-the-singapore-housing-model/
Vienna and Singapore were only able to implement its system because either land costs were extremely low due to the collapse of Austria-Hungary (and so tons of people left Vienna), or because the government owns 90% of the land.

Seriously, I don't know if this is a better or worse idea than the BC Conservatives' idea of selling all the provincial land around the developed areas of BC for housing (including provincial parks, lol).
Somehow the BC NDP came up with something as stupid.
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Province has picked their 10 cities to increase housing targets this year with Fall roll-out of their battle plans (so far sounding similar to allowing outright Vancouver's multi-plex program)

https://news.gov.bc.ca/releases/2023HOUS0059-000851

The selected municipalities are:

City of Abbotsford
City of Delta
City of Kamloops
District North Vancouver
District of Oak Bay
City of Port Moody
District of Saanich
City of Vancouver
City of Victoria
District of West Vancouver
Not sure why they're targeting Abbotsford here.
They've been fairly pro-development.

Mission is far stupider in terms of its policies (and in general- see the Silverdale disaster), though part of that is trying to redevelop the industrial waterfront during an industrial lands crisis.

New Westminster too, though that's not in the Valley.
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Over the summer, the Province will consult with the selected municipalities and set the final housing targets. All communities will be encouraged to take the action needed to speed up local processes. Many already have.

Once targets are set, the Province will monitor progress and work with municipalities to help address any barriers. To support implementation, the Province will continue to help local governments speed up local approval processes through the continued implementation of the development approvals process review, as well as the Province’s work accelerating and streamlining provincial permitting across multiple ministries and developing a new digital permitting process.

The act enables compliance options as a last resort, should municipalities struggle to create the conditions that are necessary to ensure housing gets built.

A second group of eight to 10 municipalities will be selected and notified in late 2023.
https://news.gov.bc.ca/releases/2023HOUS0059-000851

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