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[esquire]

Originally Posted by Hecate

Lol then you’ve never been to Europe. Every single major city has them. Paris has freeways, London has freeways, Berlin… freeways.

As much a part of Paris as the Latin Quarter

[Hecate]

Originally Posted by WestEndWander

Honestly not too concerned about the cost of fuel and time to drivers on Route 90. They choose to live out in B.F nowhere, knowing the existing conditions. Deal with it. You want shorter commute times, live closer to where you need/want to go on a regular basis, or again, deal with it.

What a crappy attitude. Then why should anyone care about anything.

[borkborkbork]

Originally Posted by esquire

As much a part of Paris as the Latin Quarter

[esquire]

^ Having driven on them myself, all I can say is that if we can have their quality of intercity highways, then sign me up for péages, ha.

[thebasketballgeek]

Originally Posted by esquire

Let's check back in 10 years and see what happens. If the Kenaston project doesn't happen, then it's not like a billion dollars is suddenly going to materialize for transit. Chances are we'll end up with nothing. Meanwhile other cities will continue with their cost-shared road and transit projects. But at least we will have blocked a road project?e.

Considering we’re spending half a billion just to electrify our bus fleet and build a new transit garage I think there is a possibility for the funding to materialize with transit. The least the city could’ve done during their studies was see how rapid transit would’ve effected travel times on Kenaston yet that information has not been disclosed to the public which suggests massive incompetence or a few people in council and public works got a nice paycheck through very sketchy means to push a certain narrative.

Edit: Just to add on my point. It’s really funny how a lot of the pessimism stems from people in Waverley West benefitting from it. In case y’all forgot I live in Waverley West and oppose the expansion not because it’s a road widening. A rapid transit lane would also be a road widening project and Kenaston needs to accommodate more traffic no question there.

I don’t like the design on Kenaston because it is a fucking shitty design. There are no contemporary case studies being utilized as precedents from other cities because the people working in the city knows the design is a complete joke

No new interchanges for cars, cyclists and pedestrians share the same infrastructure, and nothing tangible for transit except a small bus hub in Academy. For $500 million it’s a joke of a design.

[WinCitySparky]

^ Great take BBG

[esquire]

In a province where for some reason a single diamond interchange in a greenfield costs $135 million, I'm not sure how much we can realistically expect for $500 million. Sewer and pavement repairs and a single new lane in each direction sounds about right.

[OTA in Winnipeg]

^And a couple of bridges, ramps, etc.

[trueviking]

Originally Posted by Hecate

Guaranteed that city you’re in predates the automobile but still manages to have at least one major freeway, connected with autoroutes that are full out freeways. You can’t even drive across the province here without hitting lights. Ohh and the city you’re in probably has an efficient public transportation system too.

You think saving five minutes is bad? Think about the cost to drivers, in fuel and time, think about the cost to the environment of 70,000 plus cars running and idling for ten minutes longer everyday. Think about our transportation industry and how that affects their costs, and times. All along route 90 there are trucking businesses and multiple industrial and commercial zones, all require trucks to keep the flow of goods and materials going and this city’s piss poor planning costs them all dearly.

Winnipeg predates automobiles.

I think spending a billion dollars to save a few minutes for two hours a day. For a few years. Is very bad. Yes.

I am in a great public transit system. If not having good transit is a reason to spend money on car infrastructure why wouldn’t we spend it on improving public transit instead? Makes no sense.

You bought a house in waverley west. You bought sitting in traffic. Was your choice.

Bigger roads to reduce idling is a bogus concept. Bigger roads means more cars. No bigger road has ever been good for emissions.

Only 4% of Kenaston vehicles are trucks. Avoid rush hour and they are fine. The minor amount of money they will save is not a good public investment. If ROI is your justification for this, there are many better ways for a city to spend a billion dollars.

[trueviking]

Kenaston is 100% a commuter route. It may go other places but the only reason we are contemplating spending 7% of our property taxes on expanding it is to save commuters time at peak rush hour. There is no other reason.

[trueviking]

The thing about the Paris picture is that winnipeg only has the giant roads. And I can guarantee no road consumes 7% of Paris’ property taxes.

[WinCitySparky]

Fuck cars!

[trueviking]

Once again. Kenaston is not a freeway. It will have stop lights at every block.

[trueviking]

Originally Posted by pacman

It's tedious reading this garbage continue getting trotted out. It's still a lot of money to expand Route 90, but it is a fraction of the overall project which includes the bridge replacements and the reconstruction/sewer work that are way overdue and are needed in no small part due to the excessive traffic loads being forced onto the existing roads. I know you want to characterize this project as only benefitting the newly minted Bridgwater folks and doesn't benefit anyone else in the city and it's a waste of time even going down that road. If you wanna believe there are no other benefits that's cool, I don't agree, but at least stop spewing the billion dollar expansion lie to try to suit your narrative.

It is a billion dollar expansion. The bridge is 100% part of the expansion. It’s a myth that it needs to be replaced anyways. Remove the sewer, and you go from $1.2b to something slightly less than a billion.

[trueviking]

If the city builds the road on its own it will 100% be at the cost of many other things. We will have to find $38 million every year in the city budget that we don’t have to find today. That is cutting a lot of important things.

[trueviking]

Originally Posted by WinCitySparky

Fuck cars!

Not fuck cars. Just fuck only cars.

[Kronos]

IMO, not withstanding that the Kenaston and Chief Peguis western expansion projects were used as a way of gaining votes in the civic election, much of what is done by the city for civic planning and infrastructure (similar to the provincial government I guess) is trying to catch up on what was planned 20 years ago, which has less relevance to current needs and much less concerning future requirements. There comes a point where you simply can’t catch up on all your previous planning, and need to dedicate to the now and future equally. Makes little sense to perform mega projects in which you will be paying long term debt but is nearly out of date from the outset.
It’s like saying we can finally buy all those Blackberry phones we planned to buy 30 years ago lol.

[WinCitySparky]

Great analogy

[roccerfeller]

Originally Posted by WestEndWander

Have travelled to virtually every major city in Europe. No urban freeways. Anywhere.

This is not true at all

[1ajs]

Hahah u guys


Anyhow what's the fencing for around thé giant fédéral building on mcdermot across from the grain exchange building?