Salt Lake City: Official Development News Thread - Part 5 - Page 790

delts145 · #**15781** Posted **May 13, 2023, 12:41 PM**

Look at those beautiful craggy mountains peaking out behind the construction. Easily, the most beautiful backdrop of any of the major 50 metros!

Downtown Update - Entry Note Apartments - North Temple Light Rail Corridor

735 West North Temple - The new Entry Note Apartments are eight floors comprised of 171-Units housed in a 5-story over 3-story parking garage structure. Interior amenities include lobbies, a leasing office, mail room, artist loft studios and bike storage. The raised exterior courtyard hosts barbeque built-ins, a hot tub and firepits.

May 2023

Photos By Kier Construction @ https://www.kier.org/our-work/multi-unit/

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msbutah · #**15782** Posted **May 14, 2023, 1:23 PM**

I commute by Trax; admittedly I'm lucky it's very convenient for my situation (Daybreak to Courthouse). The morning rail commute is always a longer option than driving. Coming home is another question. Sometimes driving is faster, sometimes driving is longer, but driving is always more stressful. The extra 15 minutes in the morning is worth the certainty and calm to me. I'd rather read a book and pay $1 to ride a train someone else is driving than to have to deal with variable traffic, car maintenance, and parking my car downtown that is not cheap. But I can see how it isn't for everyone. Walking to and from work in inclement weather sucks. And UTA has done jack all to give any form of shelter or comfort at stations. And in times like this past month when UTA has been doing rail construction and totally bungling a bus bridge on the daily, it has been painful.

The nice thing about improving transit is that it's a "rising tide lifts all boats" sort of thing. Every person you accommodate by transit or bicycling is one less car on the road. Maybe you can push off adding "one more lane" another 5 years if you get enough people on a bus or a bicycle.

Anyways, my 2c that nobody asked for.

locolife · #**15783** Posted **May 15, 2023, 6:12 PM**

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Originally Posted by Comrade

idk maybe we should take this to the transit news thread.

My mistake for posting the initial thing that got this rolling. Remember: this thread is for me bitching about Millcreek, talk about the MLB and NHL coming to Salt Lake and the random four-story drab condo project going up somewhere in central city.

Oh man, that made my LOL this morning. Needed a good laugh to start Monday off, thanks Comrade.

On the MLB front, I saw Orlando's stadium renderings curious when any similar details may come out for Utah's team. I know it'll take time but more detail would be awesome.

bob rulz · #**15784** Posted **May 15, 2023, 8:52 PM**

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Originally Posted by RC14

No, it isn't.
I use to have almost door to door TRAX service between Home and work with no transfers. It still takes longer than driving, not including the time spent standing in adverse weather waiting for your train. Transit will never be able to compete with cars when it comes to convenience. In my example I am only talking about going strait to work and strait home, if I ever had to go anywhere else, that's 2-4 more hours of travel added to my day. In contrast, when I drive , it's only a 15-20min detour.

What were the road designs like? Knowing Salt Lake City, they were probably 4 or 5-lane roads, with too many curb cuts, swooping corners that encourage taking corners at high speed, and other general road design features that encourage car travel and discourage walking and biking. And if it was TRAX downtown, it's running on surface streets without signal priority, adding another barrier to the speed of TRAX.

I don't think anybody truly believes that public transit is ever going to make car travel obsolete. But it's a fact that our transit is so inconvenient because the car industry and lobbying have encouraged getting around everywhere very quickly on cars, and this goes from underinvesting in public transit, all the way down to road designs that encourage fast speeds and convenience of driving.

msbutah · #**15785** Posted **May 16, 2023, 9:22 PM**

Plans and voting on the Ballpark NEXT submissions is live. There are three finalists from three categories: professional architects, residents, and post-secondary submissions. You can see all their proposals and vote on them here.
https://storymaps.arcgis.com/stories/96f326a524b74780ad4aac118dd3b953

Comrade · #**15786** Posted **May 16, 2023, 10:03 PM**

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Originally Posted by msbutah

Plans and voting on the Ballpark NEXT submissions is live. There are three finalists from three categories: professional architects, residents, and post-secondary submissions. You can see all their proposals and vote on them here.
https://storymaps.arcgis.com/stories/96f326a524b74780ad4aac118dd3b953

All pretty underwhelming.

Of those, I guess the best is Dwell Design Studio's.

Transit4Utah · #**15787** Posted **May 16, 2023, 11:40 PM**

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plan view by Joshua Quigley, on Flickr[/IMG]

If you would like to see the expanded/detailed version of our Ballpark proposal, titled "Allpark" click the link to see the 25 page version! Vote for what you feel is best, but we wouldn't mind you all supporting your local skyscraperpage.com contributors.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1rUg62SdxSPWdAEcvXTR0RSDdpdlVRctQ/view?usp=drivesdk

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rockies · #**15788** Posted **May 17, 2023, 2:37 AM**

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Originally Posted by Transit4Utah

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https://drive.google.com/file/d/1rUg62SdxSPWdAEcvXTR0RSDdpdlVRctQ/view?usp=drivesdk

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This is beautiful

wrendog · #**15789** Posted **May 17, 2023, 4:12 AM**

Tempe voters shoot down arena plan for Arizona Coyotes... Ryan Smith time?

SLC PopPunk · #**15790** Posted **May 17, 2023, 4:12 AM**

The Coyotes just lost a public vote for a new arena district in Tempe. Of course it's still early, but neither the Coyotes nor NHL's statements seemed to hint at keeping them in Arizona after their lease at ASU runs out in 2025/2026.

If the team is moved, the league will try to keep them in the West to maintain current division/conference alignments, does this bump up the possible timeline of SLC getting an NHL franchise? I know Houston is thrown around a lot and could be a higher candidate, but with Ryan Smith's recent talks with NHL commissioner I'm curious. Thoughts?

Comrade · #**15791** Posted **May 17, 2023, 4:22 AM**

1. The Coyotes and the NHL had to have known this measure was likely to fail. Just as the NBA did with the Sonics years ago and their arena.

2. If the NHL knew, it's almost certain they've been working on contingency plans.

3. The fact Smith has been vocal the last few weeks hinting at a team coming to Salt Lake (either through expansion or relocation) might just be the smoke to this whole story.

We could see news break as soon as the Stanley Cup that the Coyotes are relocating.

SLCHenry · #**15792** Posted **May 17, 2023, 4:59 AM**

Huge NHL fan here, so I would love to see NHL in SLC but I can almost guarantee that if they come here they will not play in Salt Lake or Downtown and if Smith is behind the team, then I bet the Jazz leave downtown for a new stadium in the suburbs for the new NHL team.

RC14 · #**15793** Posted **May 17, 2023, 5:06 AM**

I think the only way they end up in Salt Lake City is if the area is incorporated into the RMP site. Or.. if the Delta Center is renovated again.

Comrade · #**15794** Posted **May 17, 2023, 5:50 AM**

If Smith brings a NHL team and locates 'em out of downtown, the Jazz will move out of downtown too. Which will be a disaster for downtown and a real disappointment. Smith isn't going to operate two arenas that are in direct competition with each other. Moreover, he's not going to put his two teams in separate arenas knowing their home games will certainly overlap. Either he renovates the Delta Center to fit a NHL team, agrees to remain downtown with a new arena or relocates the Jazz and potential NHL team either to the RMP site - or out of the city.

wrendog · #**15795** Posted **May 17, 2023, 2:37 PM**

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Originally Posted by RC14

I think the only way they end up in Salt Lake City is if the area is incorporated into the RMP site. Or.. if the Delta Center is renovated again.

I wonder how much it would cost to retrofit the Delta Center to accommodate hockey

Unfortunately, probably more cost effective to build new

taboubak · #**15796** Posted **May 17, 2023, 5:07 PM**

The church should just give Smith the block at 400s and Main St and let them build a new arena/plaza. Then everyone is happy.

nushiof · #**15797** Posted **May 17, 2023, 5:28 PM**

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Originally Posted by taboubak

The church should just give Smith the block at 400s and Main St and let them build a new arena/plaza. Then everyone is happy.

This is the way.

Atlas · #**15798** Posted **May 17, 2023, 6:05 PM**

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Originally Posted by taboubak

The church should just give Smith the block at 400s and Main St and let them build a new arena/plaza. Then everyone is happy.

That would be incredible, honestly. The proximity to Main Street bars, hotels, existing parking, and TRAX would make it really catalytic for downtown. Even better would be if the new Jazz/NHL arena was integrated with a mixed-use development on the site.

But considering the current ownership, I doubt it could happen. If this combined arena is really happening, the RMP site is next-best. Still sucks for the Delta Center and downtown. I very much hope Smith doesn't have The Point in mind.

RC14 · #**15799** Posted **May 17, 2023, 6:10 PM**

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Originally Posted by taboubak

The church should just give Smith the block at 400s and Main St and let them build a new arena/plaza. Then everyone is happy.

This would be one of those dream scenarios. And, a few of those have happened recently, for example a new tallest on the old Carl's Jr site and a proposal for an MLB stadium at the RMP site, so maybe there's a chance? Maybe?

mattreedah · #**15800** Posted **May 17, 2023, 7:35 PM**

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Originally Posted by RC14

This would be one of those dream scenarios. And, a few of those have happened recently, for example a new tallest on the old Carl's Jr site and a proposal for an MLB stadium at the RMP site, so maybe there's a chance? Maybe?

Imagine a pedestrian Main Street bookended with an arena on one end and the temple square/city creek on the other. It’s perfect. Well, Smith does have really good relations with the LDS church. It would be interesting if the church wanted to do a land swap being they already own the Park Place lot. Doesn’t really matter, but I imagine rival teams would LOVE that Main Street site being that the Grand America is across the street. All that is very pie in the sky, obviously.

I do believe Ryan has spoken to the commissioner with the idea to move the team to SLC ASAP and that we could get by with the 13k attendance and bad sight lines until the new arena is built in preparation for the Olympics. The coyotes currently play at a 5k seat ASU stadium. It’s gotten very bad and the Delta Center would be a massive improvement with all its (real) flaws for hockey. He also likely thinks he can get some of that Olympics stimmy that he normally couldn’t get to build an arena.

Agree with all that the Point would be a sad move. Here’s hoping for downtown.