[Saint John] Fundy Quay (South Market Wharf) | 19-6s | 70m-26m | U/C

[ColSJ]

Originally Posted by Itme

Not happening this year, hearing from very good sources it will be spring 2024 start IF interest rates improve and they can get bank financing. Not trying to be a buzz kill but we should all hamper expectations that this will be starting anytime soon. This is a massive project for Elias Group and they've never taken anything of this scale on before, I'm still skeptical they will be the ones to eventually develop it- but I hope im wrong!

You may want to consider getting new sources

[UptownJeff]

So. A bit of news on the Boardwalk area. The City made the restaurants close their patios a month early in 2022 with the promise that concrete temp patios would be ready by June 1st of this year. Fast forward and they revised this to the "we "hope" to have temp gravel patios by July 1st" effectively meaning that the restaurants would lose at least 2 of their best months. This, needless to say, did not go over well - they demanded a meeting with the city. Some owners apparently have had to cash in investments, take out mortgages etc. The City has now promised "they will try" to get temp gravel patios by June 10th. The gravel patios will be smaller by about half from what wa in place last year and what is expected when fully complete. Sad situation.

[adamuptownsj]

Originally Posted by UptownJeff

So. A bit of news on the Boardwalk area. The City made the restaurants close their patios a month early in 2022 with the promise that concrete temp patios would be ready by June 1st of this year. Fast forward and they revised this to the "we "hope" to have temp gravel patios by July 1st" effectively meaning that the restaurants would lose at least 2 of their best months. This, needless to say, did not go over well - they demanded a meeting with the city. Some owners apparently have had to cash in investments, take out mortgages etc. The City has now promised "they will try" to get temp gravel patios by June 10th. The gravel patios will be smaller by about half from what wa in place last year and what is expected when fully complete. Sad situation.

Saint John is dropping the ball on a lot of different things. Unless the port is involved or it's in Millidgeville, it's not happening, is my rule of thumb. The city is too incompetent to build a bike lane or patios on schedule. What are these people doing all day?

[bridgeoftea]

Originally Posted by adamuptownsj

Saint John is dropping the ball on a lot of different things. Unless the port is involved or it's in Millidgeville, it's not happening, is my rule of thumb. The city is too incompetent to build a bike lane or patios on schedule. What are these people doing all day?

Not trying to be rude to the hard working construction people, as I couldn't do that type of work. But I find watching the camera pointed at Fundy Quay. Half the time, looks like nobody is even on site and there's 1 or 2 cars on a Wednesday.

Is this due to materials? Is it due to labor shortages? My rule would be, once land transfer is in place you have 3 weeks to have shovels in the ground or face some sort of consequence. If only I could just chat to the mayors and people to know their thoughts lol.

I also feel like the Harbour Bridge construction is the same way. Where you notice a lot of the activity happens about 4 weeks before the end of the October. But that's just my observations not as a project manager of construction or any knowledge about construction at all.

[adamuptownsj]

Originally Posted by bridgeoftea

Not trying to be rude to the hard working construction people, as I couldn't do that type of work. But I find watching the camera pointed at Fundy Quay. Half the time, looks like nobody is even on site and there's 1 or 2 cars on a Wednesday.

Is this due to materials? Is it due to labor shortages? My rule would be, once land transfer is in place you have 3 weeks to have shovels in the ground or face some sort of consequence. If only I could just chat to the mayors and people to know their thoughts lol.

I also feel like the Harbour Bridge construction is the same way. Where you notice a lot of the activity happens about 4 weeks before the end of the October. But that's just my observations not as a project manager of construction or any knowledge about construction at all.

You don't need to be an expert to correctly identify a whole lot of nothing happening.

[ColSJ]

Originally Posted by bridgeoftea

Is this due to materials? Is it due to labor shortages? My rule would be, once land transfer is in place you have 3 weeks to have shovels in the ground or face some sort of consequence. If only I could just chat to the mayors and people to know their thoughts lol. .

For the loyalist plaza construction there is no land transfer. This is city paying for work on city land. What we are seeing is the cost of accepting the lowest bid. You get what you pay for. Tough reality. I share all of your frustrations on this matter.

As for the private portion of Fundy Quay I would encourage you to keep an eye on the cameras next week.

[Itme]

Originally Posted by ColSJ

You may want to consider getting new sources

I hope your right! My sources have nothing but bad news on the site, id be thrilled if they were wrong

[ColSJ]

Originally Posted by Itme

I hope your right! My sources have nothing but bad news on the site, id be thrilled if they were wrong

I don’t want to jump the — and reveal everything I know but I’m stuck with the fact a lot of public dollars have been spent on this property therefore the public deserves to know.

[Itme]

Originally Posted by ColSJ

I don’t want to jump the — and reveal everything I know but I’m stuck with the fact a lot of public dollars have been spent on this property therefore the public deserves to know.

Dooooooo it....give the people what they want

[DyAm00394]

Looking at the webcam, and I noticed they've delivered a small roller truck. It's now working on flattening the ground going from the SW to NW side of the property.

[homebody]

Originally Posted by DyAm00394

Looking at the webcam, and I noticed they've delivered a small roller truck. It's now working on flattening the ground going from the SW to NW side of the property.

That will make it nice and flat for the cars that will be using it . This whole development is so painful to watch!

[DyAm00394]

Originally Posted by DyAm00394

Looking at the webcam, and I noticed they've delivered a small roller truck. It's now working on flattening the ground going from the SW to NW side of the property.

And now it's in the NE area. Must be going around the whole property re-flattening the ground.

[ColSJ]

What we are seeing is the first sign of site prep by the developers. It’ll be small and slow to begin with like we are seeing but will ramp up.

[darkharbour]

Originally Posted by ColSJ

What we are seeing is the first sign of site prep by the developers. It’ll be small and slow to begin with like we are seeing but will ramp up.

I'll take any progress at this point. I know there is a lot of pessimism around here, but I'm going to hold out optimism - I mean what choice do I have?

[JakeNB]

Originally Posted by ColSJ

What we are seeing is the first sign of site prep by the developers. It’ll be small and slow to begin with like we are seeing but will ramp up.

Are you sure about that? Sure it’s not the City’s contractor finishing up their site prep work? A previous post indicated that the anticipated site turn-over was not until this summer.

[Sabien]

After the roller arrived this morning and went over a few areas for a couple hours, 2 guys showed up and started testing the soil compaction (from what I could see) with handheld penetrometers. After a short while they spoke with the roller operator for a few minutes, who then loaded the roller back onto the flatbed and left. I don't know what this means but the area where they were working was outside of the city's contractor construction site.

[ColSJ]

Originally Posted by JakeNB

Are you sure about that? Sure it’s not the City’s contractor finishing up their site prep work? A previous post indicated that the anticipated site turn-over was not until this summer.

My "source" (although I wouldn't really call them that) is of the utmost reliability. And based on the info I was told I posted on here last week to watch the cameras as a nod you'll see some activity. On the first working day of the week that happened. I was told not to expect anything major this week but that things would progress as they go on.

So... yes Jake I am very sure We will talk soon as time moves along and I share more

[JakeNB]

Very odd that a developer would be doing work on a site that has not yet been formally turned over. Also odd that a developer would be rolling a site rather than excavating. But yes we will see in the fullness of time

[ColSJ]

Originally Posted by JakeNB

Very odd that a developer would be doing work on a site that has not yet been formally turned over. Also odd that a developer would be rolling a site rather than excavating. But yes we will see in the fullness of time

There is really nothing odd about either. You are just dead set on stirring any bit of doubt you can pull. If tower crane pieces arrived tomorrow you'd question whether they were delivered to the right address

[Seely32]

Originally Posted by JakeNB

Very odd that a developer would be doing work on a site that has not yet been formally turned over. Also odd that a developer would be rolling a site rather than excavating. But yes we will see in the fullness of time

Its like your more worried about telling us "I told you so" then having any real interest in this project. What would your solution be? Are you ready to develop this lot? What are your plans? The develop and city are working with a site that has proved to be a quagmire for multiple councils and multiple developers over 2 decades. We are closer than we have ever been to something, anything happening here.

If you know better, than please go ahead, submit your plans, get your funding and get the ball rolling.