Metro Vancouver Road Infrastructure Discussion

[Klazu]

Originally Posted by flipper316

https://www.surreynowleader.com/news...nue-expansion/

Is there another similar expansion underway somewhere in Surrey? Somehow I was thinking there being a controversial 4-lane extension somewhere? Based on the video on the article, that is one very small street extension. Eco-lunatics screaming murder are plain crazy. It's even traffic calmed with so many bends.

[Helvetia]

Originally Posted by Klazu

Is there another similar expansion underway somewhere in Surrey?

80th Avenue comes to mind: https://www.surrey.ca/renovating-bui...gram/80-avenue

Summary of improvements:
-Repaving and widening the road from 2 to 4 travel lanes
-Improving access, safety and circulation with a new traffic signal at 122 Street and a new pedestrian crossing at 26 Street
-Adding two-way left-turn lanes, where possible, to allow full movement access to the commercial businesses along the corridor
-Adding paths for safer cycling and walking

[madog222]

Originally Posted by Klazu

Is there another similar expansion underway somewhere in Surrey? Somehow I was thinking there being a controversial 4-lane extension somewhere? Based on the video on the article, that is one very small street extension. Eco-lunatics screaming murder are plain crazy. It's even traffic calmed with so many bends.

This is the one you're thinking of.

[jollyburger]

Hard to tell if the perspective is messed up but the power lines over 84th



https://twitter.com/RyanLmark/status...959552/photo/2

[logicbomb]

This was needed in the 2000s and early 2010s but all it's done now is shift a greater amount of traffic onto 84th Ave and there are no real plans to make it a 4 lane arterial. How bad is it now? Takes 3-4 light cycles to cross one side of 152nd to the other.

I guess we take what we can get...

Higher immigration and international students but no real funding to bring the roads to handle the incoming population growth.

[Klazu]

Random question, but does anyone know why municipalities south of Fraser omit the -st, -nd, -rd and -th suffixes from their Street and Avenue names (200 Street vs. 200th Street), whereas those north of Fraser do not? I have always found it weird and more confusing to pronounce...

[madog222]

I guess without the suffix makes street signs easier to read. Surrey numbered their streets and avenues in 1957, before then they had names. It was definitely a deliberate decision to omit the suffix and one made in the heyday of the automobile.
Properly with the suffix is correct as they are ordinal numbers.

And then there's New West being special and spelling them out.

[flipper316]

Originally Posted by jollyburger

Hard to tell if the perspective is messed up but the power lines over 84th



https://twitter.com/RyanLmark/status...959552/photo/2

Wonder why they bothered and wasted money with the cats eyes . They'll just get ripped up by the plows. They'll never get replaced . No other road in Surrey has any long stretch with any cats eyes . So it's not even consistent.

[jollyburger]

Originally Posted by flipper316

Wonder why they bothered and wasted money with the cats eyes . They'll just get ripped up by the plows. They'll never get replaced . No other road in Surrey has any long stretch with any cats eyes . So it's not even consistent.

I assume it's because there's limited lighting of the road?

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by whatnext

No Centre barrier is a bad idea. It doesn’t feel great on Burrard and that bridge doesn’t attract speeders the way Granville does. There will be bad accidents.

Yes, I think so, too. What you just said struck me while looking at the render, before I read your remark. Isn't there some way of keeping a centre divider, even if not fully wide? It's just plain safety.

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by whatnext

No Centre barrier is a bad idea. It doesn’t feel great on Burrard and that bridge doesn’t attract speeders the way Granville does. There will be bad accidents.

Maybe now you know how cyclists and pedestrians feel.

[osirisboy]

Originally Posted by jollyburger

There's never that many head on collisions on the Lions Gate Bridge.

Anecdotally at least I would disagree.

[FarmerHaight]

Originally Posted by Changing City

From the CBC link above (from February). I think they might need something better than a paint line between the extra pedestrian width and the bike lanes, but it might be OK. Ideally they would have added concrete to make the added pedestrian width at the same level as the existing sidewalk, but I assume that's where the budget cut bit.

It's crazy the bridge will still have room for 3+3 lanes after re-allocating that much roadway...

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by FarmerHaight

It's crazy the bridge will still have room for 3+3 lanes after re-allocating that much roadway...

Granville has wide lanes right now, freeway-level for historical reasons. I imagine the new lanes will be narrower, more like Cambie and Burrard

[aberdeen5698]

Originally Posted by FarmerHaight

It's crazy the bridge will still have room for 3+3 lanes after re-allocating that much roadway...

It doesn't "still" have 3+3 lanes - it has 4+4 now and will "only" have 3+3 after the work is done. It's not surprising that they can take 2 lanes' worth of space and create a decent sized bike lane and wider pedestrian path.

[idunno]

I think the removal of the centre median is related to the speed limit reduction to 50km/hr. The design also includes narrowing most of the lanes (the curb lanes will still be wider for buses I think), so together with the median removal, the new design will encourage speeds closer to 50km/hr rather than 70+.

It's a bit of an inverse logic situation (people might think barrier = safer always), but I think it's similar to how two lane, two way streets tend to have fewer collisions/lower speeds than two lane, one-way streets. People drive slower with unprotected oncoming traffic.

[flipper316]

https://www.surreynowleader.com/news...to-176-street/

[madog222]

^Feel free to copy + paste more than just a link sometime.

A report entitled Short-Term Transportation Priorities contains a recommendation that council endorse a proposed strategy that also includes advocates increased public transit service in the city. Scott Neuman, Surrey’s general manager of engineering, notes in the report that there are plans to widen two sections of 72 Avenue – 144 Street to 152 Street and Fraser Highway to 188 Street – as part of an approved 10-Year Servicing Plan.

“The central segment, between 152 Street and Highway 15, is not within the city’s 10-Year Servicing Plan,” Neuman notes. “Along this five kilometre segment, a 20-metre-wide unopen road allowance exists through the Agricultural Land Reserve; however, a road through this area would require lengthy preloading, raising above the floodplain, and a bridge across Serpentine River.

“The estimated cost for this road segment is $75 to $95 million,” he says.

https://www.surreynowleader.com/news...to-176-street/

[Sheba]

This is probably the best place to post this - B.C. government gets injunction to end North Van overpass protests

A group of protesters have been showing up on an overpass in North Vancouver for months.

The small, but vocal, group has been occupying the Mountain Highway Overpass with signs such as ‘no child is ever born in the wrong body’ and ‘protect our kids from big pharma greed’.

The group has been asked to leave several times, RCMP confirmed, and the B.C. government has now granted an injunction to end the protests.

The mayor of the City of North Vancouver, Linda Buchanan, tweeted about the issue in late April, saying “hate has no place” in the city.

The overpass is the responsibility of the Ministry of Transportation and Infrastructure and Minister Rob Fleming said Thursday that it is time for the protest to end.

“I’m very concerned as the transportation minister, about what these demonstrations are designed to do,” Rob Fleming told Global News.

“They’re designed to elicit distractions to drivers. The demonstrators themselves are putting their own safety at risk.”

The group has argued previously that they have a right to protest but once the Ministry of Transportation posted the court documents that indicate the group is violating the Transportation Act, North Vancouver RCMP officers were on the scene Thursday.

“We want to provide a chance for the protesters to read the injunction, make them aware of what is happening and follow through with it,” RCMP Const. Mansoor Sahak said.

So far, there is no indication the group intends to move on or stop the protests.

[Zepfancouver]

Demolition began sometime last week.

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