Salt Lake City: Official Development News Thread - Part 5

[Comrade]

With UDOT looking to expand I-15, I noticed the Bridges apartments might be in direct line of the expansion.



I'm not a huge fan of these apartments but they're not very old and they're certainly more preferable than a freeway expansion.

Despite the fact studies have shown widening highways does nothing to fix traffic, UDOT is hell-bent on it.

It's a shame they're not as energetic about investing in the mass-transit options Salt Lake has.

[RC14]

I think Millcreek should have put their city center where the strip mall is on the east side of Wasatch Blvd at the end of 3900 South. That area has a nice backdrop and deserves something better than what is there.

I am unimpressed with the current plans. I think that West Valley's Fairbourne Station has more potential.

[Orlando]

I'm not exactly sure what you guys are complaining about regarding the Millcreek City Center masterplan. I think it's great that they are turning that area into a more dense area with public amenities and a more pedestrian oriented feel. That is a great place to densify.

I can see that it is not really centrally located in Millcreek, but neither would the Wasatch Boulevard location. I do think Millcreek and South Salt Lake should have been incorporated into Salt Lake City, but regardless, that location for the Millcreek City Center is a great location to create another dense town center, whether it is in SLC or Millcreek.

[dakben]

Live again. It looks like they're getting ready to add braces to the tower.

Originally Posted by dakben

Staging work for the crane expansion is happening at the Astra site. I'll be streaming video of the work site today on my youtube page:
http://www.youtube.com/@dakben

[freeshavocado]

Originally Posted by Comrade

lol trust me, I know.

Everything you post in a nutshell.

[delts145]

Isn't this the same one that's been lurking around for a startup for a few years now? Good to see it moving forward, especially at that location.

New Mixed-use on Tap for 400 South - Taylor Anderson Reporting:

...The new proposal doesn’t ignore the opportunity to activate the street level. The proposed replacement for an Office Max at 410 S. 900 E. in Salt Lake City’s East Central neighborhood would include space for tenants in the building as well as visitors. - https://buildingsaltlake.com/builders-pl...office-max-on-400-south-in-east-central/

[Atlas]

I wish SSL would be as aggressive as Millcreek has been with developing their downtown. A public square or park and a new city hall would really enhance the West Temple/Utopia "downtown" area.

But SSL hasn't even redesigned the eastern access to the Central Pointe TRAX station. It's truly pathetic.

[dakben]

Astra crane is getting taller live on my youtube page:

http://www.youtube.com/@dakben

[mattreedah]

Originally Posted by Atlas

I wish SSL would be as aggressive as Millcreek has been with developing their downtown. A public square or park and a new city hall would really enhance the West Temple/Utopia "downtown" area.

But SSL hasn't even redesigned the eastern access to the Central Pointe TRAX station. It's truly pathetic.

SSL legit could be cool if they actually followed their master plan. No idea what they are waiting on.

[Comrade]

Originally Posted by Orlando

I'm not exactly sure what you guys are complaining about regarding the Millcreek City Center masterplan. I think it's great that they are turning that area into a more dense area with public amenities and a more pedestrian oriented feel. That is a great place to densify.

I mean, I can't help you at this point if you're not sure why I said what I said. I think it was pretty clear why I don't like the location. It's limited due to the constraints of the area, the fact this little area is bordered by Salt Lake to the West and North, which will stifle any potential growth and shows how poorly planned out the community center really is from a place that shouldn't even exist as a city.

But beyond that, as I already stated, that area bottlenecks as is. Maybe you've never traveled down 3300 South by 1300 East or that area of Highland Drive, which then I can see why you'd be so confused about the location, but it's already experiencing gridlock without even having a non-organic downtown plopped into the area.

The fact they chose to build this literally to the border of Salt Lake is stupid as fuck and no one is going to change my mind on this. It's stupid because they lack control over a huge portion of the area, which limits their ability to make it all that walkable.

It's poor planning that was predicated on Millcreek's assumption they could annex Brickyard and into Salt Lake up to 2700 South. Now that they can't, they're stuck and it's going to be a horrendously difficult area to navigate going forward. And worst of all, which I can't stress enough, there's very little opportunity to actually grow.

Compare that to, say, Holladay, which is actually a smaller city (by over half) than Millcreek, whose downtown is actually planned out right:

[Comrade]

Originally Posted by freeshavocado

Everything you post in a nutshell.

I mean, I'd wager I am probably one of only maybe one or two people (if that) on this forum who literally lives in the area. You can snark until you're blue in the face but my house is right at the border of Salt Lake and Millcreek. So much so that I was informed of the possibility that my street would potentially be annexed into Millcreek a few years ago.

But I'm glad my posts have such an impact on you that I am that memorable.

Thank you.

[rockies]

Originally Posted by Comrade

I mean, I'd wager I am probably one of only maybe one or two people (if that) on this forum who literally lives in the area.

Lol. Given that this is the SLC forum I'd imagine that many of us have lived in multiple areas around the city and still do. The annexation issue is clearly important to you personally, but I don't think any of us really care whether a development is *technically* in Millcreek or Salt Lake. Why does their urban core need to be completely independent of SLC even though the transit, businesses, roads, etc are fully integrated? Of course it means Millcreek can't masterplan the brickyard mall area but when brickyard does get redeveloped it will be way better off for being adjacent to a dense neighborhood.

It is a great opportunity to live within walking distance to downtown sugarhouse and Millcreek common is already quite popular. We don't need to be reminded of why you don't like the location every single time someone shares an opposing view

[Orlando]

Originally Posted by Comrade

I mean, I can't help you at this point if you're not sure why I said what I said. I think it was pretty clear why I don't like the location. It's limited due to the constraints of the area, the fact this little area is bordered by Salt Lake to the West and North, which will stifle any potential growth and shows how poorly planned out the community center really is from a place that shouldn't even exist as a city.

But beyond that, as I already stated, that area bottlenecks as is. Maybe you've never traveled down 3300 South by 1300 East or that area of Highland Drive, which then I can see why you'd be so confused about the location, but it's already experiencing gridlock without even having a non-organic downtown plopped into the area.

The fact they chose to build this literally to the border of Salt Lake is stupid as fuck and no one is going to change my mind on this. It's stupid because they lack control over a huge portion of the area, which limits their ability to make it all that walkable.

It's poor planning that was predicated on Millcreek's assumption they could annex Brickyard and into Salt Lake up to 2700 South. Now that they can't, they're stuck and it's going to be a horrendously difficult area to navigate going forward. And worst of all, which I can't stress enough, there's very little opportunity to actually grow.

I can see your point. I see that you are concerned about all the traffic and that you think it is too constrained of a site to make sense. I'm just glad to see this area densifying into a much more urban mixed-use area instead of a bunch of small strip malls.

Btw, I do drive by the area quite frequently. I live in Millcreek, and will often drive on 13th East from I-80 and stop at Harmons at Brickyard and sometimes shop at Brickyard.

[SLCHenry]

Any update on the 6th South highrise or The Soren? Haven’t heard from them in awhile…

[wrendog]

Originally Posted by SLCHenry

Any update on the 6th South highrise or The Soren? Haven’t heard from them in awhile…

I doubt we hear much until a positive turn in the economy occurs

[Comrade]

Originally Posted by rockies

Lol. Given that this is the SLC forum I'd imagine that many of us have lived in multiple areas around the city and still do. The annexation issue is clearly important to you personally, but I don't think any of us really care whether a development is *technically* in Millcreek or Salt Lake. Why does their urban core need to be completely independent of SLC even though the transit, businesses, roads, etc are fully integrated? Of course it means Millcreek can't masterplan the brickyard mall area but when brickyard does get redeveloped it will be way better off for being adjacent to a dense neighborhood.

It is a great opportunity to live within walking distance to downtown sugarhouse and Millcreek common is already quite popular. We don't need to be reminded of why you don't like the location every single time someone shares an opposing view

Bro. I outlined why I feel this way. My issue is that the area they picked is congested and offers no viable future growth entirely because it's bordered by Salt Lake to the West and the North. It's boxed in and because of that, any full potential of this development is going to be limited because they specifically picked an area that is closed off on two of its major sides to any future development.

This ain't hard, my man.

[Comrade]

Originally Posted by Orlando

I can see your point. I see that you are concerned about all the traffic and that you think it is too constrained of a site to make sense. I'm just glad to see this area densifying into a much more urban mixed-use area instead of a bunch of small strip malls.

Btw, I do drive by the area quite frequently. I live in Millcreek, and will often drive on 13th East from I-80 and stop at Harmons at Brickyard and sometimes shop at Brickyard.

I think the development is extremely shortsighted and while I welcome the area densifying, I wish they weren't trying to adopt a city center there because I think it absolutely caps the potential.

And Millcreek is the fifth-largest city in Salt Lake County. Despite my reservations about it even existing, I don't think this is a valuable and viable city center:



I commend Millcreek for seeing through its vision. But it's a vision that, as I pointed out, underwhelms when compared to Holladay. The only thing that impresses me about it is the size of their city hall (even if I think it looks ugly).

But someone mentioned South Salt Lake and asked why they struggle - and it's probably because South Salt Lake isn't a big city. It only has 25,000 people. It doesn't even break into the top-ten in Salt Lake County. Of the cities, only Bluffdale in Salt Lake County has a smaller population. Kearns has more people than South Salt Lake and it's technically not even a city.

So, I think that explains a big reason why they kind of just float out there. They don't have a huge population base and their population hasn't really grown much since the 2000 Census. In 2000, South Salt Lake had a population of 22,038. Twenty-years later? They've added just 3,500 more people?

More than my view on Millcreek, I believe Salt Lake should absorb South Salt Lake and then invest in that area around 2100 South. But the city itself is always going to struggle just due to its limitations, both economically and financially.

[i-215]

In fairness, has anyone seriously looked at the EIS maps for I-15?
https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/fa4a9f9635384196b0b137766e15c2ee

Forgive me, but where on earth do you see that the project wipes out condos along North Temple?



They seem to be fitting the new I-15 into the existing footprint, especially south of 600 North. At North Temple, it fits ENTIRELY within the existing concrete footprint.

[freeshavocado]

Originally Posted by i-215

In fairness, has anyone seriously looked at the EIS maps for I-15?
https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/fa4a9f9635384196b0b137766e15c2ee

Forgive me, but where on earth do you see that the project wipes out condos along North Temple?

They seem to be fitting the new I-15 into the existing footprint, especially south of 600 North. At North Temple, it fits ENTIRELY within the existing concrete footprint.

You just have to trust Comrade.

[Comrade]

Originally Posted by freeshavocado

You just have to trust Comrade.

Bro, you're fucking weird.

https://buildingsaltlake.com/udot-admits...olishing-scores-of-homes-and-businesses/



This is why I inferred that portion would be up for impact:

This weekend, a local GIS expert provided groups opposing the project with the likely locations of homes, businesses, and public spaces to be impacted.

Maybe an assumption on my part that, in an article titled '...demolishing scores of homes and businesses', the red would, you know, be areas that are prime for demolition.