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Old Posted May 8, 2023, 7:52 PM
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One main attraction for Halifax over any other Maritime city is the weather. The South Shore, Halifax coast has a whole lot less snow and much better temperature than other Atlantic Canadian cities. Years ago a salesman I knew that lived in Moncton said he was looking at homes in the Halifax to Chester area to move to for retirement. I asked if he had family in the area he said no, your weather is so much better.
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Old Posted May 8, 2023, 7:54 PM
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Good to hear.

I am a bit conflicted about all this. While port expansion in SJ is good for the whole province of NB, somewhat paradoxically port expansion in Halifax is actually better for Moncton. This is because of CNR. SJ is serviced by CPR which bypasses Moncton completely, heading instead through the state of Maine.
That's not entirely correct, MonctonRad. CN does, in fact serve Saint John, on its Sussex subdivision from Moncton. Historically, CN and CP interchanged at Saint John. CP sold off its New Brunswick tracks in 1994. New Brunswick Southern Railway (an Irving company) now interchanges with CN at Saint John, and with CP in Brownville Junction, Maine.

CP has made it clear that its new "Atlantic Gateway", including Saint John and east coast US ports is a key part of its strategy to win back business from trucks now that it has the only railway that links Canada, the US and Mexico. It has committed to invest heavily in Saint John.

Not to be outdone, however, a couple of weeks ago CN announced the launch of its own new pan-North America service, called "Falcon Premium". It's a partnership between CN, Union Pacific and the Mexican railway Ferromex. CN claims its transit times between Canada and Mexico will beat CP (which has been rebranded CPKS).

Speaking to investors in Chicago last week, CN chief marketing officer Doug MacDonald said that CN expects to grow its business by five per cent over the next three years, some 900,000 additional carloads and 450,000 containers. He described Halifax as one of CN's "crown jewels," where expansion projects are underway. He also said there are expansion plans in Saint John and Montreal.

Here is CN's "Falcon Premium" map, showing Halifax and Moncton among its major gateways.


Source: Trains Magazine

You'll note the Sussex subdivision to Saint John on the map. You may also notice that the map seems to show active lines from Halifax to Windsor and Truro to Sydney. Both of these lines were sold off to short lines in the 90s and have been mostly dormant for the last decade. Whether this is a case of careless mapmaking, or whether CN expects to see them restored, I can't say.

On the subject of rail traffic from Halifax, it's true that CN was an early proponent of what is known as precision scheduled railroading, which essentially meant fewer and longer trains. PSR has largely fallen out of favour for a variety of reasons, including safety concerns and system congestion, so expect faster, more frequent trains. There are in fact several daily (or weekday) trains from Halifax and Dartmouth. On the Dartmouth sub (Windsor Jct. to Imperoyl), there is a pair (east and west) of general manifest freights, mineral (gypsum) trains, and autorack trains (from Autoport). On the Halifax side (Bedford sub) there are two stack (container) trains and a general freight that originates at Rockingham. Plus, of course, the lone remaining passenger train, of which Via runs three pairs a week.

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Old Posted May 8, 2023, 8:35 PM
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Thanks.

I'm well aware of the Sussex sub. It is the main conduit for oil trains from the west heading to the Irving refinery in SJ. Ever since Lac Megantic, they have taken a more circuitous route via Moncton because the trackage is better maintained and first class.

A lot of bulk goods in general are moved via the Sussex sub. It's because this is a first class line that I think it would make it very easy to put passenger rail back on. A passenger train should be able to make good time on a track like this.

Just the other week, I was sitting at the rail crossing on Edinburgh Drive in the Moncton Industrial Park waiting for a long freight train to go by - mostly auto carriers, but some tankers and container cars too, and I was quite surprised to see them heading off onto the Sussex sub rather than the CNR mainline to Grand Falls and Edmundston. I wonder if the auto carriers were taking vehicles down to the US?
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Old Posted May 9, 2023, 1:32 AM
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Over $500 million dollars has been invested in the private sector to service the Port of Saint John. That is in addition to the $205 million dollar modernization project that we are nearing completion of that brings our TEU capacity to 800,000.

We are the only port on Canada's east coast that is serviced by 3 Class A rail lines (CP Rail, CSX, CN Rail). CSX has yet to begin shipping to SJ because they are redoing the line they purchased from PanAm.

There are a lot of exciting things happening along the supply chain in Saint John. The city just completed a review on leveraging the competitive advantage our industrial parks have with the transportation infrastructure that currently exists in the city. CP is boosting automobile shipments to the now-expanded NBSR logistics park and iirc the port will be getting into that in the future. More cranes are planned for the future and so too are bigger ships and of course, that means more jobs!

I'm very happy to see the growth in Moncton & Halifax and rest assured we can all celebrate our own cities' successes without downplaying others.
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On the Dartmouth sub (Windsor Jct. to Imperoyl), there is a pair (east and west) of general manifest freights, mineral (gypsum) trains, and autorack trains (from Autoport). On the Halifax side (Bedford sub) there are two stack (container) trains and a general freight that originates at Rockingham. Plus, of course, the lone remaining passenger train, of which Via runs three pairs a week.
I apologize for my ignorance of these details but I wonder:

- I remember reading a bad-news story not too many years ago that the owner of the gypsum quarry had shut it down. Of course if it did eventually reopen that news never got reported. Do we know if it is back in operation?
- Where does general manifest freight get handled in Dartmouth?
- In the same vein, where does that handling occur in Rockingham?
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Old Posted May 9, 2023, 11:16 AM
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I remember reading a bad-news story not too many years ago that the owner of the gypsum quarry had shut it down. Of course if it did eventually reopen that news never got reported. Do we know if it is back in operation?
The Gold Bond Canada Inc. (used to be National Gypsum) East Milford mine (biggest in the world) never closed. It ships gypsum daily by rail to Wright's Cove. Ships load there multiple times weekly and are a very common sight in the harbor.

The mine you're probably thinking of is the Wentworth operation owned by CGC (Canada Gypsum Co., operating locally as Fundy Gypsum) which closed in 2012 and hasn't re-opened. CGC did recently announce it would be re-opening its Cape Breton mine at Little Narrows.

Booming construction in the USA has spiked demand for gypsum.
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The Gold Bond Canada Inc. (used to be National Gypsum) East Milford mine (biggest in the world) never closed. It ships gypsum daily by rail to Wright's Cove. Ships load there multiple times weekly and are a very common sight in the harbor.

The mine you're probably thinking of is the Wentworth operation owned by CGC (Canada Gypsum Co., operating locally as Fundy Gypsum) which closed in 2012 and hasn't re-opened. CGC did recently announce it would be re-opening its Cape Breton mine at Little Narrows.

Booming construction in the USA has spiked demand for gypsum.
Good to know. I was unaware that there were two such mines here.

I remember years ago watching an episode of This Old House where they visited the East Milford mine and the loading dock on Bedford Basin, before traveling to New Hampshire to see how it was used in the manufacture of wallboard. I was struck at the time by wondering how it could be that Nova Scotia never got into the manufacturing end of things for the Canadian market.
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I took these two pics yesterday while sitting and waiting for the train to pass. The train sat still for ten plus minutes which gave me plenty of time to ponder the plight of the Halifax Transit customers on the 51. Little doubt that some of them were happy to be late for work as after all, it was a Monday morning. Note that one car has a plaque reading Gold Bond and one has National Gypsum.

20230508_094129 by AJ Forsythe, on Flickr


20230508_094429 by AJ Forsythe, on Flickr
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I remember years ago watching an episode of This Old House where they visited the East Milford mine and the loading dock on Bedford Basin, before traveling to New Hampshire to see how it was used in the manufacture of wallboard. I was struck at the time by wondering how it could be that Nova Scotia never got into the manufacturing end of things for the Canadian market.
Truly. Hewers of wood, drawers of water, miners of gypsum...but no value-added products.

But in fact there actually is a wallboard plant in Point Tupper, operated by Cabot Gypsum.
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You'll note the Sussex subdivision to Saint John on the map. You may also notice that the map seems to show active lines from Halifax to Windsor and Truro to Sydney. Both of these lines were sold off to short lines in the 90s and have been mostly dormant for the last decade. Whether this is a case of careless mapmaking, or whether CN expects to see them restored, I can't say.
In this earlier post, I pondered why CN was including the partially-dormant Truro-Sydney line, owned by short line conglomerate Genesee and Wyoming, on its newer maps. (A map included in CN's recent 2023-24 Winter Plan shows the same.)

CN announced yesterday it was acquiring a stake in the Cape Breton & Central Nova Scotia Railway. While G&W will continue to operate the line, CN will take over management of interline shipments with the railway.

CN's news release does not disclose terms of the deal and makes no mention of restoring service on the 105 miles between Point Tupper and Sydney (nor of the province's annual subsidy paid to G&W to avoid abandonment). A CN exec is quoted as saying the move will allow them "to reach new opportunities in the longer-term, further advancing our strategic agenda of accelerating profitable, sustainable growth."

It's not the first time the big roads have reversed themselves and reacquired an interest in lines they previously spun off in eastern Canada. CN earlier bought back tracks in northern NB and eastern Quebec while CP (now CPKC) reacquired lines in the Eastern Townships and Maine.

I think it is fair to assume CN would not invest in CB&CNS if only to maintain existing traffic on the line.


Source: Genesee & Wyoming
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Getting back to the original topic of this discussion, I see everyone's favorite naysayer, Peggy Cameron, penned (maybe with a quill pen) a missive to the Chronicle-Herald on the topic of Robie St widening, Unsurprisingly, she is opposed and is advocating for the city to keep its head in the sand:

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VOICE OF THE PEOPLE: Cancel budget for widening Robie Street

Halifax Regional Municipality has introduced a budget adjustment list to try and save $28 million.

Cancelling HRM’s acquisition budget for the proposed widening for the Robie Street Transportation Corridor will immediately save $75 million right now.

Data shows that even for public transportation widening roads does not reduce traffic.

Property acquisition for the widening is spending public money to wreck a neighbourhood but not fixing the problem.
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Public money is being used to buy and demolish dozens of small-scale affordable units and cut 80 trees.

Signalized lane changes, like the Macdonald bridge or Chebucto Road, or other more sophisticated applications and design would be the cheapest, fastest way to reallocate existing road space.

This historic Robie Street neighbourhood is home to a concentration of First Nations, housing co-ops, youth shelters, new Canadians and small businesses.

Stopping the plan to wreck this community for a failed solution to traffic congestion should be an easy decision.

Peggy Cameron, Halifax
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Robie Street Transit Priority Corridor Update

This is an information report going to Regional Council. In quick terms staff is working with the province to purchase the needed land in the transportation reserve. 15 of 33 land deals are completed. The detailed design for the Almon to Cunard section will start this year and construction is expected to begin in 2028.

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Robie Street Transit Priority Corridor Update

This is an information report going to Regional Council. In quick terms staff is working with the province to purchase the needed land in the transportation reserve. 15 of 33 land deals are completed. The detailed design for the Almon to Cunard section will start this year and construction is expected to begin in 2028.
This link leads nowhere. Do you have an updated link to the report elsewhere or in some other form?
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Looks like the link is not working anymore; Whoever is in charge of halifax.ca needs to learn about permalinks, this happens way to often..
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It is an interesting report. It is good that they are thinking about incorporating this into a future LRT (or streetcar?) corridor. I wonder what an eventual complete LRT route could be though; would it really be SMU to Lacewood? It seems like ideally it would connect downtown to an off-peninsula location like Lacewood with other destinations like the hospital and higher-density residential corridors along the way. Robie was not a very high density corridor in the past but it will already be very different when the current construction wraps up.

Halifax could do something like a mix of streetcar and BRT routes with dedicated ROW streetcars running along Robie, some in mixed traffic going downtown (one day with some tunnels), and suburban BRT.

I wonder about the value of the online survey, like asking people whether they like a one-way vs. complete corridor or curbside vs. centre lanes. Without understanding the trade-offs these questions are pretty meaningless.

This has all gone so slowly that it feels a bit inadequate now. A two-way BRT corridor would have been forward-looking in 2008 or 2018. Is it going to cut it in 2028-2038 (2048?)? The current piecemeal approach of studies and minor additions every few years means that a complete corridor, let alone LRT, is far off in the future.
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