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Old Posted Apr 28, 2023, 12:59 PM
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I guess Québec City wasn't phased by Ottawa's experience with the Citadis in this climate!

https://www.railjournal.com/fleet/quebec-city-awards-lrv-supply-and-maintenance-contract/
"We won't make the same mistakes as Ottawa. Tramway is not the same thing as light-rail." Proceeds in buying the same crappy trains as Ottawa, for twice the price.

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Well...hopefully they don't have any curves planned on their new network
Not quite as many as Ottawa, where the east section is nearly all curves, but they have several sharp ones, possibly worse than Ottawa's.


https://www.transportaction.ca/topics/urban-transit/quebec-city-tramway-wins-provincial-backing/

Quebec City has the advantage of being late to market. We've had every and all the problems that could occur with this new-ish model, so the trains Quebec City will get should not experience the same issues as Alstom theoretically should hammered out the issues by then.

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Related to seepage on this line, I was browsing some Ottawa East history and came across this tidbit regarding the mess left by the old gasification plant on Lees Avenue (which closed in the late '50s):

"In the 1980's the construction of the apartment buildings and Transitway Station revealed large deposits of coal tar wastes. This hazardous material contaminated groundwater and soil and was leaching into the Rideau River. This discovery resulted in the construction of a groundwater collection and treatment system at the station and cleanup of the river. This system will have to be maintained as long as the Transitway operates.

(http://history.ottawaeast.ca/HTML%20Documents/Modern_History_after_1907/Lees%20Avenue.htm

We can presume this had to be sorted out when the station was rebuilt for rail...
Sounds like something the City might have forgotten about and was deemed "out of scope" by RTG.
     
     
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Related to seepage on this line, I was browsing some Ottawa East history and came across this tidbit regarding the mess left by the old gasification plant on Lees Avenue (which closed in the late '50s):

"In the 1980's the construction of the apartment buildings and Transitway Station revealed large deposits of coal tar wastes. This hazardous material contaminated groundwater and soil and was leaching into the Rideau River. This discovery resulted in the construction of a groundwater collection and treatment system at the station and cleanup of the river. This system will have to be maintained as long as the Transitway operates.

(http://history.ottawaeast.ca/HTML%20Documents/Modern_History_after_1907/Lees%20Avenue.htm

We can presume this had to be sorted out when the station was rebuilt for rail...
There's still a facility adjacent to the station, alongside the uOttawa parking lot. The sign on the door says "Wastewater Pumping Facility" but it's pretty large for that with a metal shed attached, and on streetview shows a few 55 gallon drums out back. Wouldn't surprise me to find out that is what this is.
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 28, 2023, 1:39 PM
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There's still a facility adjacent to the station, alongside the uOttawa parking lot. The sign on the door says "Wastewater Pumping Facility" but it's pretty large for that with a metal shed attached, and on streetview shows a few 55 gallon drums out back. Wouldn't surprise me to find out that is what this is.
Oh, that's what that is.
     
     
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The coal oil factory was still there in the 1960s. They tore it down only when they were completing the Queensway across downtown. There were lots of waste issues (digging up coal oil sludge) when they were building the Transitway through this area in the 1980s.



http://history.ottawaeast.ca/HTML%20Documents/Image%20Library/Airphotos/CA%208494_GAS_WORKS_new.jpg

Lees Avenue is in the foreground. Hurdman Road used to connect to Nicholas Street on the north side of the railway tracks.
     
     
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How to fix the LRT's wheel-rail interface? Greasing the rails might help, city sub-commitee hears

Blair Crawford, Ottawa Citizen
Published Apr 28, 2023 • Last updated 33 minutes ago • 3 minute read


The impact of Justice William Hourigan’s scathing report into faults with the construction and maintenance of the Confederation Line will be felt across all city operations, says the city’s acting general manager, Wendy Stephanson.

“The public inquiry gave us a road map on what needs to be addressed in the light rail project,” Stephanson told councillors on the LRT sub-committee Friday morning.

“I want to assure you that we are listening. We are actively making changes to ensure transparency and accountability to help regain that public trust. We are using the recommendations to influence areas outside the LRT project. We are putting a city-wide lens on this.”

Former city manager Steve Kanellakos was singled out for criticism by Hourigan, who found “persistent failures in leadership, partnership and communications” during construction of the $2.1 billion Confederation Line. Kanellakos quit two days before the report’s release.

Stephanson said the city accepts all 103 of Hourigan’s recommendations (though not all were addressed to the city) and is taking steps to strengthen “transparency and accountability” —both to councillors and the public.

The full city response, laid out last week at a technical briefing and delivered in exhaustive detail to the LRT sub-committee Friday, tackles everything from how the city will approach P3s (public private partnerships) to wonkish topics such as “Risk management in procurement policies” and “creating an effective contract scheme.”

But it was the LRT’s technical problems that have led to derailments and delays that drew most attention from councillors. They were eager to know how and when a permanent fix will be found to problems with the LRT’s wheel-rail interface.

The answer may lie, in part, to an old cliché: greasing the rails.

Greasing the rails — aka “applying a friction modifier” or “top rail lubrication” — is one of the solutions proposed to help reduce wear and tear on the LRT’s beleaguered wheels.

“It may help, but it’s not the sole solution,” the city’s director of engineering services Richard Holder told the sub-committee.

Regrinding the rails and the continuing temporary speed reductions at sharp curves in the track are still just temporary fixes to the problem of “catastrophic” failures of the Alstom train’s wheel-axle assemblies. Holder conceded a complete redesign of the assembly might be needed.

“We just need to go through the process,” he told reporters after the meeting. “It is frustrating for staff and RTM and, I’m sure, for the travelling public about the time it’s taking, but there is a sequential methodical approach being applied and it just takes time for each of these to feed into a very robust solution that will come in the future.”

Hourigan’s report also mentioned the difficulty finding trained technical workers in Ottawa to build and maintain the train. Staffing continues to be an issue for Rideau Transit Group as it competes for workers with other LRT projects in Canada.

“Ottawa doesn’t have the strong train-based skills as compared to other jurisdictions,” said Nicolas Truchon, RTG’s CEO. “There’s a limited pool with rail experience available. The challenge that we have, as with any other industry, is there are other projects out there that are competing for talent.”

Friday’s briefing came just hours before the Confederation Line tunnel closes for the weekend to allow workers to seek solutions to water seepage that could cause longterm damage to the tunnel. R1 buses will run between Parliament Station and Hurdman station over the weekend, with full service resuming Monday morning.

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-new...rails-might-help-city-sub-commitee-hears
     
     
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Related to seepage on this line, I was browsing some Ottawa East history and came across this tidbit regarding the mess left by the old gasification plant on Lees Avenue (which closed in the late '50s):

"In the 1980's the construction of the apartment buildings and Transitway Station revealed large deposits of coal tar wastes. This hazardous material contaminated groundwater and soil and was leaching into the Rideau River. This discovery resulted in the construction of a groundwater collection and treatment system at the station and cleanup of the river. This system will have to be maintained as long as the Transitway operates.

(http://history.ottawaeast.ca/HTML%20Documents/Modern_History_after_1907/Lees%20Avenue.htm

We can presume this had to be sorted out when the station was rebuilt for rail...
Good Day.

Well, not exactly sorted out, but indeed -accommodated - .

They well knew of the station's background and history, and were - very - careful in the disassembly, rather than demolition, of the T-Way here.
And, the basic footprint of the station is not changed much at all.
They could not, for the risk of disrupting the trench linings and accommodations, which have been noted above.
They then rebuilt the trench floor (which was already overbuilt for the T-Way loads) to take the new LRT loads.
The underlying layers were barely disturbed at all, having proven to be still in place and effective.
The linings and supports were impressive, and they took lots of time installing it all.
The floor is a floating concrete slab on top of the linings and drain piping. The rail base is then on top of that.
Then the remainder of the station fixings and platforms were added back and locked in.

So.....
City and RTG, after much discussion and planning, continued the previous solution, rather than trying to (at huge expense) dig out the entire, very large, area.
This was the same discussion and conclusion reached when the original T-Way was built.
It resulted in the Lees station opening being delayed beyond the rest of the T-Way for some considerable time,
with busses just zooming on through the station while it was being worked on and finished up.

Not a final nor complete answer, but one that has respected all the varying concerns and expenses, as long as EVERYBODY stays honest about it, which, so far, they have.

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Anyone know what's going on ay Lyon?



     
     
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Anyone know what's going on at Lyon?
Good Day.

It's at the east end of the concourse, so,..... tie-in to the Delta ?
Maybe they see an advantage to not having people have to go through PdV ?

just a guess.....
     
     
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The paint in that area was peeling badly. May just be repairs (or leaks).
     
     
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There were I think 4 to 6 of those bagged areas at concourse level. Two at the PdV side of the concourse, and the rest spread out through the middle concourse. Maybe one on the Moon side.
     
     
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We are in the middle of the 2-weekend closure, maybe some ongoing related work?
     
     
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We are in the middle of the 2-weekend closure, maybe some ongoing related work?
The weekend closures are for checking water leaks near Rideau. These pics are of Lyon, so it's unrelated.

But yes, probably ongoing work. Likely to (very) temporarily fix the pealing paint. Almost like we shouldn't paint concrete.
     
     
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Anyone know what's going on ay Lyon?

Garbage bags are down. What we're left with is... ad space for the Raptors?

     
     
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OC Transpo ridership jumps to match budget forecast; fix found for leaky tunnel wall
Revenue was up, too, reaching $11.9 million for March, although that was still shy of the $13.2-million budget forecast.

Blair Crawford, Ottawa Citizen
Published May 11, 2023 • Last updated 51 minutes ago • 1 minute read



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Councillors also received an update on the water leaks that forced the tunnel to close for two weekends for inspection and maintenance.

Richard Holder, the city’s director of engineering services, said contractors pumped more than 700 litres of grout into a hole bored into the tunnel wall east of Rideau Station, where the leaking was worst. The grout seemed to have filled a void that existed between the concrete tunnel wall and its plastic liner during construction.

The patch, along a 15-metre section of tunnel, appears to have worked, but it will take more time to be certain, Holder said.

“There is some expectation that this will reduce water ingress, but we don’t know if it will be 100 per cent successful. We’re in the process of remediation here. We’re not at the point where we can say that we’re done.”

Additional patching and filling east of Rideau Station will take place in June, when the tunnel will again be closed for regular maintenance and rail grinding.

Similar work must be done west of Rideau Station, but that will be performed some time in the future.

“There are no concerns structurally about the tunnel,” Holder said.

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-new...forecast-fix-found-for-leaky-tunnel-wall
     
     
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Word is that the temporary speed restriction between Lees Station and Mann Avenue has been lifted.
     
     
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Does anyone know why the dwell times on the train are so long? I timed 50 seconds at Parliament Station last week.
     
     
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Does anyone know why the dwell times on the train are so long? I timed 50 seconds at Parliament Station last week.
Dwell times have been incredibly inconsistent since around the same time as the speed restriction. My guess is to give a chance for the wheel assemblies to cool down,. But that's a guess.

Ultimately, low ridership stations should have 10 second dwell times, and the busiest 25 tops.
     
     
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Does anyone know why the dwell times on the train are so long? I timed 50 seconds at Parliament Station last week.
Rode today, seemed normal. 15 seconds or so.
     
     
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Dwell times have been incredibly inconsistent since around the same time as the speed restriction. My guess is to give a chance for the wheel assemblies to cool down,. But that's a guess.

Ultimately, low ridership stations should have 10 second dwell times, and the busiest 25 tops.
I wish they would activate the buttons. There is no point in heating or cooling the trains of all doors are going to open for an unknown amount of time at every station.
     
     
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