Stadiums & Arenas of Canada, Part 3

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by VANRIDERFAN

Was walking about Tunney's Pasture today and it got me thinking that it would be a perfect place for the new arena. There is a two story 1960's era building that can easily be demo'd for the arena. The LRT is right there, and Wellington Street is just up the hill with all of its bars and restaurants of Westboro.

Will never happen though.

There's been too much speculation about other potential sites recently. If LeBreton fails, I think Hurdman would be good as it serves two transit corridors, or Bayview Yards. But yes, Tunney's has a distinct advantage of being near a restaurant and retail main street.

In any case, LeBreton is still the best site, served by two Line 1 stations and Line 2, walking distance from Zibi, Vieux-Hull, Gatineau RapiBus (the Gatineau tram if built) and Preston.

[Djeffery]

Originally Posted by Oilkountry

Its not about the view its about the feel of the stadium. Even just a bit of natural lighting completely transforms the stadium from a dark dingy dungeon to a bright open experience. cowboys stadium is the perfect example. I bet its a 4 Million dollar project to replace the current membrane in that section above the hotel with panels and would make a bigger difference than all the renos they did this off season. If they did a strip around the bottom 30-40 feet it would feel like an entirely new stadium

If they wanted to replace the fixed clamshell with something allowing daylight, go for it. I don't think it provides the same atmosphere you are claiming, given how much of the game time use is at night and also the roof is open as often as possible. If it's a dark dingy day out, I'm not sure how much atmosphere is created by that one panel. But a lightning storm would be cool to see inside. Something like Minneapolis would be ideal but that was a ground zero design and also I'm not sure how something that large made out of that material would be as a retractable roof, and I don't think anyone is willing to trade a retractable roof for a fixed in place roof even if the entire thing was like that. But again, when the time comes for a new stadium, I think they should give all options like that serious consideration.

[king10]

Originally Posted by Djeffery

If they wanted to replace the fixed clamshell with something allowing daylight, go for it. I don't think it provides the same atmosphere you are claiming, given how much of the game time use is at night and also the roof is open as often as possible. If it's a dark dingy day out, I'm not sure how much atmosphere is created by that one panel. But a lightning storm would be cool to see inside. Something like Minneapolis would be ideal but that was a ground zero design and also I'm not sure how something that large made out of that material would be as a retractable roof, and I don't think anyone is willing to trade a retractable roof for a fixed in place roof even if the entire thing was like that. But again, when the time comes for a new stadium, I think they should give all options like that serious consideration.

A few things here,

The Jays highest attended games are their Saturday and Sunday matinee games.

The roof isn't open as much as you'd think.

The colder weather meant that the roof could not begin its required testing until recently. Since the dome is sealed through the winter, testing of the roof can’t begin until all the snow and ice have melted. The mechanical parts that allow the roof to open and close contract in the cold, so consecutive warm-weather days of roughly 10C or higher are required before testing can begin.

“At around 10 degrees, if we were to open the roof, and the temperature then dropped, we risk not being able to close it,” Stephen Brooks, the Jays’ senior vice-president of business operations, told the Star back in 2012.

https://www.thestar.com/sports/bluej...rs_centre.html

The structural steel supports of the roof would be the same, it's just the paneling membrane that would be replaced.

[Coldrsx]

Love the new bullpen placement in the Dome hahaha; good luck with that.

[Djeffery]

It's going to be funny tomorrow night when there are 20k people there and the outfield is packed. Heard on the McCown podcast on Monday that they only sell maybe 600-700 of the $20 general admission tickets for out there and the rest of the people are ticketholders from elsewhere in the stadium

[king10]

Attendance was 42,053 last night versus 45,022 at opening day last year(high attendance was 45,311 against Ohtani and the angels on Aug 27. Looks like capacity including standing room is down about 3,000.

[Djeffery]

Originally Posted by king10

A few things here,

The Jays highest attended games are their Saturday and Sunday matinee games.

The roof isn't open as much as you'd think.

The colder weather meant that the roof could not begin its required testing until recently. Since the dome is sealed through the winter, testing of the roof can’t begin until all the snow and ice have melted. The mechanical parts that allow the roof to open and close contract in the cold, so consecutive warm-weather days of roughly 10C or higher are required before testing can begin.

“At around 10 degrees, if we were to open the roof, and the temperature then dropped, we risk not being able to close it,” Stephen Brooks, the Jays’ senior vice-president of business operations, told the Star back in 2012.

https://www.thestar.com/sports/bluej...rs_centre.html

The structural steel supports of the roof would be the same, it's just the paneling membrane that would be replaced.

Roof is open tonight by the way.

[elly63]

Originally Posted by elly63

I doubt if anybody remembers this but one of the proposed designs for SkyDome IIRC had a flat fixed roof and around the sides of the building at the top were large sliding glass windows all around the stadium. They could be opened to allow fresh air into the stadium somewhat giving the illusion of a retractable dome. It wasn't one of the four finalists which I have posted in one of these stadium threads and can't find now.

Found the website

The third one (Bregman and Hamann Architects) was my favourite, the field was totally exposed (no shadows)

[craner]

Thanks for posting those proposals again - I have an oversize hardcover book about the whole Skydome story somewhere with those submittals. My favourite was always the Craig & Boake submittal.

[elly63]

^If you look at it through the lens of 1985, they were all pretty cool. The site said there were 200 entries, boy I'd love to see those. They must have narrowed it down to ten or so before the final four because that is when I saw the design in the paper I described earlier.

[Berklon]

The Bregman and Hamann design makes no sense. The middle and upper decks are hovering above the right field fence. You could hit a home run there without it even going the distance of the fence. Not sure you could even hit a line drive home run there.

[Djeffery]

I don't really like any of those 4. I'm glad they altered the winning design and got rid of those little upper decks and realigned the field orientation. I'm assuming only the first base side of the 100 level rotated around to football configuration or it would have really looked weird.

I'm not sure how the roof on 2 doesn't just fall into the stadium, being as it's just 4 pie shapes with no support in the middle. 3 looks like a fine football stadium but a terrible baseball look. 4 is interesting but looks like an easter basket and I can't imagine the shadows that roof design creates would be very welcome.

[elly63]

A couple of "different" Olympic Stadium videos

• Video Link

• Video Link

[J.OT13]

Engage Ottawa has survey on Lansdowne 2.0, and floor and site plans for the new OHL arena, CFL/CPL stadium north stands and the retail podium of the future condo/apartment towers.

Engage Ottawa: https://engage.ottawa.ca/lansdowne-2-0
Arena: https://engage.ottawa.ca/25667/widge...cuments/103885
Stadium: https://engage.ottawa.ca/25667/widge...cuments/103788
Retail Podium: https://engage.ottawa.ca/25667/widge...cuments/103789

[TorontoDrew]

The Big O is still awesome from the outside.

[Coldrsx]

The City of Calgary has signed a deal paving the way for construction of a new arena.

The City of Calgary has reached agreements, in principle, with the province, Calgary Sports and Entertainment Corporation (CSEC) and Calgary Stampede to proceed forward with the creation of the Culture + Entertainment District in downtown Calgary, including a new and publicly-owned event centre.

The deal is valued at $1.2 billion


The City of Calgary is contributing 44 per cent, or $537.3 million, and 56 per cent is being contributed by both the province ($330 million) and Calgary Sports and Entertainment Corporation ($356 million).

https://www.alberta.ca/release.cfm?x...55B2BDD3518B60

[Harrison]

Originally Posted by Coldrsx

The City of Calgary has signed a deal paving the way for construction of a new arena.

The City of Calgary has reached agreements, in principle, with the province, Calgary Sports and Entertainment Corporation (CSEC) and Calgary Stampede to proceed forward with the creation of the Culture + Entertainment District in downtown Calgary, including a new and publicly-owned event centre.

The deal is valued at $1.2 billion


The City of Calgary is contributing 44 per cent, or $537.3 million, and 56 per cent is being contributed by both the province ($330 million) and Calgary Sports and Entertainment Corporation ($356 million).

https://www.alberta.ca/release.cfm?x...55B2BDD3518B60

An election time ploy by ol' Danielle and the UCP. And they wouldn't even pay for the demolition of the Northlands Coliseum in Edmonton.

[J.OT13]

All that for about double the cost of the last deal.

[Berklon]

I wish I were a billionaire so people can buy me a building... in which I can get even richer.

[esquire]

Originally Posted by Berklon

I wish I were a billionaire so people can buy me a building... in which I can get even richer.

$867 million from the city and province build a new playpen for the Flames. Yikes.