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Old Posted Apr 23, 2023, 6:04 PM
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Looks like a mid-western city here!
Put Toronto of the mid-1960s against Toronto of the 1990s and it might as well be two different cities. In the span of 30 years, a whole new city on top of an existing one.

It's almost Los Angeles-like.
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Put Toronto of the mid-1960s against Toronto of the 1990s and it might as well be two different cities. In the span of 30 years, a whole new city on top of an existing one.

It's almost Los Angeles-like.
Certainly, Toronto probably went through the most dramatic change in the 60s, then the 90s and now the last decade and a bit. I'd say that most major Canadian cities went through similar, though maybe less dramatic, change as well, all starting in the 60s, but with varied ups and downs (though Toronto, Montreal and Ottawa matched-up quite well, give or take a couple years).

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Old Posted Apr 24, 2023, 5:34 PM
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Montreal's sea-change years were the 1960s. Culturally, socially, and especially, built form.




Decarie early 1960s


Decarie 1967
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Old Posted Apr 24, 2023, 5:44 PM
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For sure, 60s were a big decade for Montreal, along with the 70s at a lesser extent. That came to a sudden end when the PQ was elected in 1976. Montreal had a decent early 90s, then nothing until the mid 2010s to today.
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Old Posted Apr 26, 2023, 2:10 AM
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Certainly, Toronto probably went through the most dramatic change in the 60s, then the 90s and now the last decade and a bit. I'd say that most major Canadian cities went through similar, though maybe less dramatic, change as well, all starting in the 60s, but with varied ups and downs (though Toronto, Montreal and Ottawa matched-up quite well, give or take a couple years).
I use Los Angeles as an example because 1950s-era Los Angeles has an icon: Los Angeles City Hall, built in 1928. You look at pictures of the era from the 1930s to the mid-1960s and the skyline is that plus a handful of other minor buildings. Then in the mid-'60s it starts, as International-style skyscrapers seemingly popped up out of nowhere. The juxtaposition is just so jarring and so rapid that a time traveller from the 1950s standing at Griffith Observatory might not be sure they're still in L.A., should they be transported to the 1990s.

Similarly, Toronto has a couple of icons in the late 1920s/early 1930s. The Royal York Hotel and Commerce Court North dominate the skyline for decades until the late 1960s when the TD monoliths pop up seemingly out of nowhere, portending the future. Then one jumps to the 1990s and you can't see the old icons anymore.

Today, Los Angeles City Hall is engulfed by the skyscraper. Same with the Royal York and Commerce Court in Toronto. They're encased by modernity.

Montreal, Chicago, and New York did layering. You see the Sun Life building standing stately in the shadow of the skyscrapers that surround it. Oh, nobody pretends the future didn't arrive in those cities, but the past wasn't engulfed to the same degree.

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I use Los Angeles as an example, because 1950s-era Los Angeles has an icon: Los Angeles City Hall, built in 1928. You look at pictures of the era from the 1930s to the mid-1960s, and the skyline is that, plus a handful of other minor buildings. Then in the mid-'60s, it starts, as International-style skyscrapers popped up out of nowhere, seemingly. The juxtaposition is just so jarring, and so rapid that a time traveller from the 1950s standing at Griffith Observatory might not be sure they're still in L.A., should they be transported to the 1990s.

Similarly, Toronto has a couple of icons in the late 1920s/early 1930s. The Royal York Hotel and Commerce Court North dominate the skyline for decades, until the late 1960s when the TD monoliths pop up seemingly out of nowhere, portending the future. Then one jumps to the 1990s, and you can't see the old icons anymore.

Today, Los Angeles City Hall is engulfed by the skyscraper. Same with the Royal York and Commerce Court in Toronto. They're encased by modernity.

Montreal, Chicago and New York did layering. You see the Sun Life building standing stately in the shadow of the skyscrapers that surround it. Oh, nobody pretends the future didn't arrive in those cities, but the past wasn't engulfed to the same degree.
That's very true. Same could be said for Vancouver (other than the Marine Tower), and Calgary, while Winnipeg, Edmonton and Ottawa have a layering effect as well, to various degrees.
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source: Toronto Public Archives

7/12/1974
Promised a place for the night; these rock concert fans; most of them from the United States; camped last night in parking lot at Queen's Quay and Yonge St. near the ferry boat docks. Despite the lack of toilet facilities; showers and hot and cold running water; an Olympic Festivals Canada spokesman called it a real nice place compared with some of those he's seen at other concerts. The visitors are in Toronto for annual two-day jazz and blues concert on Toronto Island.
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I love that. Pure Toronto.
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Vancouver's Marine Building through the years:

















https://forbiddenvancouver.ca/blog/the-marine-building/
Amazing how Vancouver went from not existing to having a legit skyline in only 60 years or so.
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Old Posted May 10, 2023, 3:15 PM
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It's wild looking over the Marine building and seeing what looks like unspoiled wilderness across the harbour. I know there was in fact stuff on the other side then but apparently not a whole lot till the 40s.
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Old Posted May 11, 2023, 1:52 PM
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Rue Workman : logements. - Novembre 1973. Photo du service d'urbanisme. VM097-Y-02-09F-P191. Archives de la Ville de Montréal. by Archives de la Ville de Montréal, on Flickr


Rue Workman : logements. - Novembre 1973. Photo du service d'urbanisme. VM097-Y-02-09F-P188. Archives de la Ville de Montréal. by Archives de la Ville de Montréal, on Flickr


Rue Saint-Martin : logements. - [1973?]. Photo du service d'urbanisme. VM097-Y-02-09F-P190. Archives de la Ville de Montréal. by Archives de la Ville de Montréal, on Flickr


Rue Saint-Martin : église Saint-Joseph. - 1973. Photo du service d'urbanisme. VM097-Y-02-09F-P189. Archives de la Ville de Montréal. by Archives de la Ville de Montréal, on Flickr


Rue Notre Dame, coin Chatham. - Août 1968. Photo du service d'urbanisme. VM097-Y-02-09F-P147. Archives de la Ville de Montréal. by Archives de la Ville de Montréal, on Flickr


Îlot Workman-Delisle : aménagement des espaces libres. - Août 1968. Photo du service d'urbanisme. VM097-Y-02-09F-P093. Archives de la Ville de Montréal. by Archives de la Ville de Montréal, on Flickr


Rue Coursol. - Janvier 1968. Photo du service d'urbanisme. VM097-Y-02-09F-P080. Archives de la Ville de Montréal. by Archives de la Ville de Montréal, on Flickr


Rue Quesnel. - Janvier 1968. Photo du service d'urbanisme. VM097-Y-02-09F-P017. Archives de la Ville de Montréal. by Archives de la Ville de Montréal, on Flickr


Église Sainte-Cunéconde. - Janvier 1968. Photo du service d'urbanisme. VM097-Y-02-09F-P013. Archives de la Ville de Montréal. by Archives de la Ville de Montréal, on Flickr


Rue Quesnel. - Janvier 1968. Photo du service d'urbanisme. VM097-Y-02-09F-P011. Archives de la Ville de Montréal. by Archives de la Ville de Montréal, on Flickr


Rue Quesnel. - Janvier 1968.Photo du service d'urbanisme. VM097-Y-02-09F-P006. Archives de la Ville de Montréal. by Archives de la Ville de Montréal, on Flickr


Rue Coursol. - Janvier 1968.Photo du service d'urbanisme. VM097-Y-02-09F-P003. Archives de la Ville de Montréal. by Archives de la Ville de Montréal, on Flickr


2522-2530 rue Saint-Antoine. - Janvier 1968. Photo du service d'urbanisme. VM097-Y-02-09F-P001. Archives de la Ville de Montréal. by Archives de la Ville de Montréal, on Flickr


Rue Saint-Jacques. - 1968.Photo du service d'urbanisme. VM097-Y-02-09F-P185. Archives de la Ville de Montréal. by Archives de la Ville de Montréal, on Flickr

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Old Posted May 11, 2023, 1:55 PM
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Cool gritty Montreal shots, getting some Philly vibes from those residential streets.
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Old Posted May 11, 2023, 3:13 PM
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Love the St. Henri set.

Great find.
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Old Posted May 11, 2023, 3:52 PM
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Burgundy was massacred. Look at all that.
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Old Posted May 12, 2023, 3:42 AM
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Petite-Bourgogne : voies ferrées. - [196-]. Photo du service d'urbanisme. VM097-Y-02-09F-P075. Archives de la Ville de Montréal. by Archives de la Ville de Montréal, on Flickr


Petite-Bourgogne : rue et logements. - 1966. Photo du service d'urbanisme. VM097-Y-02-09F-P065. Archives de la Ville de Montréal. by Archives de la Ville de Montréal, on Flickr


Marché Atwater. - [196-]. Photo du service d'urbanisme. VM097-Y-02-09F-P163. Archives de la Ville de Montréal. by Archives de la Ville de Montréal, on Flickr


Petite-Bourgogne : logements. - [196-]. Photo du service d'urbanisme. VM097-Y-02-09F-P162. Archives de la Ville de Montréal. by Archives de la Ville de Montréal, on Flickr


Rue Richmond : église Saint-Joseph. - [196-]. Photo du service d'urbanisme. VM097-Y-02-09F-P156. Archives de la Ville de Montréal. by Archives de la Ville de Montréal, on Flickr


Rue Saint-Jacques : église Saint-Henri. - [196-]. Photo du service d'urbanisme. VM097-Y-02-09F-P149. Archives de la Ville de Montréal. by Archives de la Ville de Montréal, on Flickr


Petite-Bourgogne : parc et logements. - [196-]. Photo du service d'urbanisme. VM097-Y-02-09F-P113. Archives de la Ville de Montréal. by Archives de la Ville de Montréal, on Flickr


Rue Notre-Dame : église Saint-Zotique. - [196-]. Photo du service d'urbanisme. VM097-Y-02-09F-P112. Archives de la Ville de Montréal. by Archives de la Ville de Montréal, on Flickr


Rue Coursol. - [196-]. Photo du service d'urbanisme. VM097-Y-02-09F-P086. Archives de la Ville de Montréal. by Archives de la Ville de Montréal, on Flickr


Rue des Seigneurs : viaduc ferroviaire. - [196-]. Photo du service d'urbanisme. VM097-Y-02-09F-P076. Archives de la Ville de Montréal. by Archives de la Ville de Montréal, on Flickr


Petite-Bourgogne : logements. - [196-]. Photo du service d'urbanisme. VM097-Y-02-09F-P067. Archives de la Ville de Montréal. by Archives de la Ville de Montréal, on Flickr


Petite-Bourgogne : rue et logements. - [196-]. Photo du service d'urbanisme. VM097-Y-02-09F-P064. Archives de la Ville de Montréal. by Archives de la Ville de Montréal, on Flickr


Rue Workman. – 1960. Photo du service d'urbanisme. VM097-Y-02-09F-P007. Archives de la Ville de Montréal. by Archives de la Ville de Montréal, on Flickr


Petite-Bourgogne : logements et industries. – 1959. Photo du service d'urbanisme. VM097-Y-02-09F-P128. Archives de la Ville de Montréal. by Archives de la Ville de Montréal, on Flickr


Saint-Henri - Petite-Bourgogne : vue depuis les toits. – 1959. Photo du service d'urbanisme. VM097-Y-02-09F-P117. Archives de la Ville de Montréal. by Archives de la Ville de Montréal, on Flickr

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Nostalgia aside, by and large these areas definitely weren't nicer places to live back then than they are today, even if some architectural uniqueness was lost.

Of course it would have been best if like in older cities across the pond we had simply revitalized and renovated the bones that were already there.

Montreal is still a lot better than most places in North America when it comes to this, even if it's a bit depressing to think of what a much more significant part of the city would look like, if only...
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Old Posted May 17, 2023, 7:00 PM
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I get the same vibes from those Montreal shots as I do from the French Connection-era New York (1971). It's a cold, desolate griminess. I can smell the raw gasoline car exhaust, the cigarette smoke; the wind bites down through the streets, the slop of slush and salt is everywhere.

I can picture a French-Canadian version of 'Popeye' Doyle is dumping terrible coffee from the depanneur onto the sidewalk while cursing the cold.
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Old Posted May 17, 2023, 9:31 PM
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I get the same vibes from those Montreal shots as I do from the French Connection-era New York (1971). It's a cold, desolate griminess. I can smell the raw gasoline car exhaust, the cigarette smoke; the wind bites down through the streets, the slop of slush and salt is everywhere.

I can picture a French-Canadian version of 'Popeye' Doyle is dumping terrible coffee from the depanneur onto the sidewalk while cursing the cold.
I wasn't around when those pictures were taken but the Montreal of the mid to late 70s that I can remember as a kid was basically the same.

It was gritty and rough.

Probably peak auto penetration and accommodation in our cities.

Suburbanization had by then already taken a toll and seriously impacted urban vitality that was visibly on the decline, even if things were still reasonably vibrant, and of course would never get as bad as in the US.

This impression isn't just because photographic tech was not as advanced as today.
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I suggest you people check out the Unreal engine vision of Moshe Safdie's Habitat 67.

https://www.unrealengine.com/en-US/hillside


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This one absolutely stumped me And I’ve literally been inside it at multiple points in my life.



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