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Old Posted Apr 13, 2023, 4:41 AM
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The stench at Rideau Station was a sign of stagnant water and ongoing seepage. It could be a sign of bigger problems, so I applaud doing a proper investigation.
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 13, 2023, 4:20 PM
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The stench at Rideau Station was a sign of stagnant water and ongoing seepage. It could be a sign of bigger problems, so I applaud doing a proper investigation.
Agreed.

But the smell has indicated a problem since the very beginning. They could have done the inspections any of the times the LRT was shut for other reasons. It being shut down for days/weeks at a time during the 9 - 5 week borders on a common occurrence. No need to pay overtime to the inspectors by shutting it on a weekend when it is actually working. Let alone further inconvenience the riders who are still left.

(My guess is that 'no need to worry' water pouring into the station while alarms blared event actually was a need to worry event.)
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 13, 2023, 7:44 PM
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Thinking about it, Sue, you might be on to something. I don’t think that we were ever really told where that water was gushing from, besides a “broken pipe”. My assumption had been that the water was coming from the fire-protection system, but it could just as likely have been the output from a ‘sump-pump’. The alarm sounded more like a flood warning than a fire warning. And besides, why would a fire warning sound for a broken water line?

(It is such a shame that the city and RTG are so secretive about things. It forces interested individuals to try to come up with their own explanations.)

If it is true that the pumps are expelling that much water, then there is obviously a big problem with the waterproofing in that area. And springtime might be the season when the surrounding till is the most saturated.

I’m afraid that these ‘exploratory week-ends’ are only to determine how much of the concrete tunnel liner must be removed, in June, to redo the waterproofing. I now expect that there will be a June shutdown of a couple of weeks.

They might be telling us that there is no safety concern, but there is high hydraulic pressure on the outside of the tunnel liner. The evidence of the volume of water seeping in certainly shows poor waterproofing, and might indicate leaks in the concrete. When water flows through a leak, there is danger of that leak growing. Think of the story of the little Dutch boy putting his finger in a hole in the dyke. There’s a reason that he was branded a hero.
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 13, 2023, 8:40 PM
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"The waterproofing system for the Confederation Line tunnel is compromised, causing higher-than-expected leaks and ice buildup in the winter, the transit commission heard Thursday morning."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/lrt-tunnel-waterproofing-compromised-1.6809152
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 13, 2023, 10:53 PM
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LRT tunnel expected to shut down in June to repair water leaks

Blair Crawford, Ottawa Citizen
Published Apr 13, 2023 • Last updated 2 hours ago • 3 minute read


Commuters will find out in a few weeks how long the downtown LRT tunnel will be shut down this summer to address troublesome water leaks near uOttawa Station.

While the seepage isn’t a hazard, if unaddressed it does pose a risk to the tunnel.

“This is not a safety issue,” Nicolas Truchon, CEO of Rideau Transit Group, told the city’s Transit Commission on Thursday. “Our objective is to preserve the asset…. If it’s not looked after we’re looking at system disruptions down the road.”

Work crews have been injecting grout to try to fix the leaks, but it hasn’t been working. In winter, the water can cause significant ice build-up.

LRT service through the tunnel will be stopped on the weekends of April 29-30 and May 6-7 so that engineers can inspect the tunnel, figure out what’s happening and formulate a solution to solve it. The LRT will run between Parliament and Tunney’s Pasture in the west and Hurdman and Blair in the east, with replacement buses in service to bridge the gap. Full service is to resume at 5 a.m. Monday.

The tunnel will have to be shut down again to make the repairs. That will likely take place in early to mid-June, before the start of the city’s festival season.

Engineers believe the water is coming through a breach in the tunnel’s water proofing, but can’t say where the breach is because, just like a leak in a roof, the water can travel for some distance from the breach before it finds its way inside the tunnel wall.

The seepage is unrelated to the flooding that occurred in Rideau Station in January from a burst water pipe or the persistent sewage odour at Parliament Station.

In her memo to council, Transit general manager Renée Amilcar said such maintenance is normal for tunnels, but not everyone was buying it.

“I don’t think this is regular maintenance. It appears, in my mind, to be a defect with the workmanship that has gone into this,” Coun. Riley Brockington said.

“It’s normal to have some leaks,” Amilcar told reporters after the meeting. “Is our tunnel worse than somewhere else? I can’t answer that. We’ll know better after the experts’ work is done.

“We know that we have had this problem since the beginning, unfortunately…. This time we hope we have the right fix.”

Transit Briefs

Ridership improves, but…

Bus and train ridership jumped by more than 65 per cent in the first two months of 2023 compared to the year before, but remains frustratingly short of OC Transpo’s budget predictions and is still far below pre-pandemic levels.

There were 5.3 million rides on the bus system and Confederation Line LRT in each of January and February 2023, compared to 3.0 million in January and 3.4 million in February 2022. OC Transpo had projected 5.8 million and 5.5 million rides in January and February in its 2023 budget.

That ridership translated into $22.7 million in fare revenue in the first two months of the year, which is $3.4 million short of the $25.1 million in revenue forecast in the budget.

In the pre-pandemic months of January and February 2019, ridership was 8.9 million and 8.4 million respectively.

The hazards of the job

More than 100 OC Transpo operators were injured in assaults in 2022, the third-highest cause of employee injuries.

The most common cause of the 740 employee injuries last year were caused by being “struck or caught”, according to a report given to Transit Commission on Thursday. Next most common were injuries due to “over exertion.”

“The number of assaults is disturbing,” OC Transpo’s chief safety officer, Paul Treboutat, told the commission.

Plexiglass barriers installed at the beginning of the pandemic have reduced assaults, while security cameras on the buses have been “absolutely vital” to help identify and prosecute those who’ve committed assaults, he said.

“But that doesn’t even begin to make it acceptable, the number of assaults that are occurring,” Treboutat said. “We have to absolutely act on strategy that will ensure that our operators are feeling protected in the workplace.”

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-new...-shut-down-in-june-to-repair-water-leaks
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 19, 2023, 7:27 PM
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This type of behaviour from the striking workers infuriates me.


Image from CBC article: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/psac-strike-traffic-police-1.6815563

Picket around Federal Government building, fine, but do NOT interfere with any other employees who are trying to make a living the best that they can.

Public transit is not the enemy, and it should NOT be picketed. Period. This is a Municipal service that people need to rely on.

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Old Posted Apr 19, 2023, 11:09 PM
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The tunnel stench is the same stench as when they drained the canal a few weeks ago.

The stench is the same. And it's smelled most strongly, depending on atmospheric conditions, at Rideau AND Parliament.

The stench is coming from canal seepage.
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Old Posted Apr 20, 2023, 12:52 AM
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This type of behaviour from the striking workers infuriates me.


Picket around Federal Government building, fine, but do NOT interfere with any other employees who are trying to make a living the best that they can.

Public transit is not the enemy, and it should NOT be picketed. Period. This is a Municipal service that people need to rely on.
They can picket anywhere that is not private property. Inconveniencing you is part of the goal for a strike. The fact you are posting this means they are doing a good job of it.
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 20, 2023, 2:11 PM
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They can picket anywhere that is not private property. Inconveniencing you is part of the goal for a strike. The fact you are posting this means they are doing a good job of it.
If you think the general public in Ottawa is going to decide the outcome of this strike I guess you think the Convoy was effective by annoying Ottawa residents too.

Maybe causing a disruption in Toronto Montreal etc. might be an effective strategy but leave the rest of Ottawa alone please.

If they want back to work legislation I cause they should just go straight to occupying Wellington.
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 20, 2023, 2:32 PM
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Were they blocking the entrance to the LRT or just doing a circuit of the compound that happened to include the LRT?
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 20, 2023, 3:56 PM
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If you think the general public in Ottawa is going to decide the outcome of this strike I guess you think the Convoy was effective by annoying Ottawa residents too.

Maybe causing a disruption in Toronto Montreal etc. might be an effective strategy but leave the rest of Ottawa alone please.

If they want back to work legislation I cause they should just go straight to occupying Wellington.
It comes down to the misconception in this country that the residents of Ottawa and the federal government are one in the same. Much of it comes from the Media referring to the federal government as "Ottawa."
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Old Posted Apr 20, 2023, 3:59 PM
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If you think the general public in Ottawa is going to decide the outcome of this strike I guess you think the Convoy was effective by annoying Ottawa residents too.

Maybe causing a disruption in Toronto Montreal etc. might be an effective strategy but leave the rest of Ottawa alone please.

If they want back to work legislation I cause they should just go straight to occupying Wellington.
Who said that they were only striking in Ottawa?
They have their strategic ways to get noticed.This was just a singular thing. I imagine as this drags on, they will do things to cause disruptions all across the country. That is how a striking union works.
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 22, 2023, 5:17 AM
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It comes down to the misconception in this country that the residents of Ottawa and the federal government are one in the same. Much of it comes from the Media referring to the federal government as "Ottawa."
I understand it completely but that's always kind of irked me. Like.. hey man.. don't include me in this! It's the same thing with Washington.

Obviously not the same as policy making but my lord do we have a lot of people that work for the government. I couldn't even count how many people I know that work for the Feds. But hey.. pays the bills for them and if I am working for a dual income household it certainly pays the bills for me.

I've had this slight fear that with the shift in workplace environments that Ottawa would start to shed jobs to other cities in the name of equality and securing votes in other ridings/cities.
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Old Posted Apr 22, 2023, 7:25 PM
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I understand it completely but that's always kind of irked me. Like.. hey man.. don't include me in this! It's the same thing with Washington.

Obviously not the same as policy making but my lord do we have a lot of people that work for the government. I couldn't even count how many people I know that work for the Feds. But hey.. pays the bills for them and if I am working for a dual income household it certainly pays the bills for me.

I've had this slight fear that with the shift in workplace environments that Ottawa would start to shed jobs to other cities in the name of equality and securing votes in other ridings/cities.
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For Sure !

This is exactly one of the main reasons that when posting, I refer to "City" or "Feds" , and not to "Ottawa" - to avoid any massive confusion.
Fortunately, references to that "other" place are far fewer - TO or Prov or QP.

As for workplace shift - yup - there have already been a few mentions of exactly that in the media.
When "remote working" or "working from home", what city you are in matters not at all, and many recent hires have apparently been exactly that.

FWIW.
     
     
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I guess Québec City wasn't phased by Ottawa's experience with the Citadis in this climate!

https://www.railjournal.com/fleet/quebec-city-awards-lrv-supply-and-maintenance-contract/
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I guess Québec City wasn't phased by Ottawa's experience with the Citadis in this climate!

https://www.railjournal.com/fleet/quebec-city-awards-lrv-supply-and-maintenance-contract/
More like they had no other choice! Siemens dropped out (over Québec's refusal to allow for battery trams) so Alstom could really dictate what they want. They're still barely acknowledging it's the Spirit, just plastering Citadis everywhere.
     
     
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More like they had no other choice! Siemens dropped out (over Québec's refusal to allow for battery trams) so Alstom could really dictate what they want. They're still barely acknowledging it's the Spirit, just plastering Citadis everywhere.
Well...hopefully they don't have any curves planned on their new network
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Well...hopefully they don't have any curves planned on their new network
They have their own Hurdman, except it's in a tunnel. Good luck to them

To be fair, the trains are gonna be much shorter and used as actual trams, so hopefully that helps.
     
     
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They have their own Hurdman, except it's in a tunnel. Good luck to them

To be fair, the trains are gonna be much shorter and used as actual trams, so hopefully that helps.
I absolutely adore that they are planning Strasbourg style trams-on-grass. This is my dream for replacing the Queen Elizabeth Parkway.



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Related to seepage on this line, I was browsing some Ottawa East history and came across this tidbit regarding the mess left by the old gasification plant on Lees Avenue (which closed in the late '50s):

"In the 1980's the construction of the apartment buildings and Transitway Station revealed large deposits of coal tar wastes. This hazardous material contaminated groundwater and soil and was leaching into the Rideau River. This discovery resulted in the construction of a groundwater collection and treatment system at the station and cleanup of the river. This system will have to be maintained as long as the Transitway operates.

(http://history.ottawaeast.ca/HTML%20Documents/Modern_History_after_1907/Lees%20Avenue.htm

We can presume this had to be sorted out when the station was rebuilt for rail...
     
     
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