Ontario Highways

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

In some sense, you can count 17 between Arnprior and Renfrew?
So far, other than the interchange at Calabogie Road, absolutely nothing else is happening (other than redoing culvert and repaving).

I want to see 17/69 redone as well, but right now, it’s just too much commitment. It pretty much requires redoing 69 between 17 and Estaire Road as well, and this is the textbook definition of scope creep. (Remember, there’s a realignment that requires cutting 25 m ~ 30 m of igneous rocks in depth.)

It is about 10km west of the 4 lanes.Would be nice that after the interchange is done, that a ~20km section would be under construction.

Originally Posted by Innsertnamehere

there will probably be a few new projects which trickle out in the next month or so, and we'll know more when they update the highways program website.

I would be seriously surprised if it was more twinning in Northern Ontario beyond more detailed timelines for already announced widenings though.

69 has no active section under construction. One would hope that after one section is done, the next construction season, the next section would be started. It seems like that has been how it was done before.

Originally Posted by Djeffery

I mean, Ontario ends at the next side road north of his cottage, doesn't it?

... to most politicians, it does...

[swimmer_spe]

Drove home today from Ottawa.
The Calabogie interchange is only 5km away from the 4 lanes. 20km from the 4 lanes, all of the accesses for Renfrew are. If they were to do a ~20km extension, then they could get on the other side of Renfrew and one more area would be better. Honestly, the section up to Deep River needs to be done. That is about 100km.

[Mulder]

Originally Posted by swimmer_spe

Drove home today from Ottawa.
The Calabogie interchange is only 5km away from the 4 lanes. 20km from the 4 lanes, all of the accesses for Renfrew are. If they were to do a ~20km extension, then they could get on the other side of Renfrew and one more area would be better. Honestly, the section up to Deep River needs to be done. That is about 100km.

Traffic usually dies off after Petawawa. Rarely busy.

Preliminary design has been done to Bruce/Castleford - there will be a finaly interchange there before transitioning.

Route planning further west involves going north around Muskrat Lake, They have to avoid going thru Cobden, South route had more environmental concerns.

I don't see them twinning that far for at least another 30-40 years.

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by Mulder

Traffic usually dies off after Petawawa. Rarely busy.

Preliminary design has been done to Bruce/Castleford - there will be a finaly interchange there before transitioning.

Route planning further west involves going north around Muskrat Lake, They have to avoid going thru Cobden, South route had more environmental concerns.

I don't see them twinning that far for at least another 30-40 years.

Do you have a link to the preliminary design section?

My hope is that up to Pembroke is done by 2030. I know, it is a dream.

[Mulder]

Originally Posted by swimmer_spe

Do you have a link to the preliminary design section?

My hope is that up to Pembroke is done by 2030. I know, it is a dream.

No. I no longer work for that engineering firm. But I did work on a number of projects in that corridor.

[Dengler Avenue]

Originally Posted by swimmer_spe

Do you have a link to the preliminary design section?

My hope is that up to Pembroke is done by 2030. I know, it is a dream.

For Renfrew Bypass and Pembroke Bypass, check Renfrew County’s zoning map for interchange shape.
Refer to MTO’s Highway Permit Control Zone for the routing through Whitewater Region. (The one shown on Renfrew County Zoning Map is outdated, as there’s substantial route change west of \653/.)
Town of Petawawa did indicate that a conceptual plan for 417 up to Deep River exists but that it isn’t publicly available.

[Dengler Avenue]

Originally Posted by Mulder

No. I no longer work for that engineering firm. But I did work on a number of projects in that corridor.

I was wondering the same thing too.

[Mulder]

Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

I was wondering the same thing too.

My new firm probably has the plans/cad files somewhere. They give them out if anyone is bidding on projects in that corridor.

I just haven't looked.

The route is basically the same as current, just with interchanges etc. until the other side of Renfrew.

[Dengler Avenue]

Originally Posted by Mulder

My new firm probably has the plans/cad files somewhere. They give them out if anyone is bidding on projects in that corridor.

I just haven't looked.

The route is basically the same as current, just with interchanges etc. until the other side of Renfrew.

I’m just happy that MTO had the foresight to build the staged freeway between Carp and Renfrew then between Pembroke and Petawawa. Otherwise it’d have been a lot harder…

Ps: I just found out recently that Old 17 between Gloucester and Jessup Falls then between l’Orignal and Hawkesbury was a staged freeway too.
It was a bummer that Highway 417 east of Ottawa went on a completely different alignment. The then staged freeway felt like a waste.
It’d have been cool to have A50 on one side of Ottawa River and 417 (effectively an extension of A40) on the other side, all within 20 km.

[swimmer_spe]

I am visiting Algonquin PP, and the one thing that I notice is that the road surface is newer...but they did not upgrade it much, if at all. All turn offs within the park should have full right and left turning lanes. With how busy the park gets, this would make it safer.

[Dengler Avenue]

I drove through last winter and remembered that there’s shoulder. A cheap solution may be paved shoulder for right turns like those on Lake Joseph Road.

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

I drove through last winter and remembered that there’s shoulder. A cheap solution may be paved shoulder for right turns like those on Lake Joseph Road.

They do have some for some of the things, but not for most.

[swimmer_spe]

One other "Highway 60" annoyance. Why has it not been extended to Highway 400 yet? For so many reasons it would be an idea extension. Most of it could even follow existing roads in the area.

[Dengler Avenue]

Originally Posted by swimmer_spe

One other "Highway 60" annoyance. Why has it not been extended to Highway 400 yet? For so many reasons it would be an idea extension. Most of it could even follow existing roads in the area.

I’ve thought about this from time to time. It may just be as “simple” as renumbering 141 as 60 though. Is it worth the administrative hassle? Maybe not.
(Taking over Aspedin Road aka Muskoka Road \3/ may require bringing it up to provincial standard, which costs $$$.)

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

I’ve thought about this from time to time. It may just be as “simple” as renumbering 141 as 60 though. Is it worth the administrative hassle? Maybe not.
(Taking over Aspedin Road aka Muskoka Road \3/ may require bringing it up to provincial standard, which costs $$$.)

Using google maps, it is faster by 10 minutes to get to Sudbury than 11/17 from Huntsville area. I could see it being even faster if it were upgraded to MTO standards.

[Dengler Avenue]

https://windsor.ctvnews.ca/ontario-revea...ghway-401-interchange-projects-1.6422751
Highway 3 Essex - Leamington: The contract has been awarded.
Highway 401 @ Lauzon Parkway (Extension?) (Windsor): There’ll be a new interchange.

[Innsertnamehere]

https://highway3elgin.ca/?fbclid=IwAR3LT6e9oAz42hCvcWy7d7dUdK8SOt-IcBKIuxxwe3o7ZXswyLR2NFIfI8A

St Thomas Expressway being twinned and extended to Highway 4.

[Dengler Avenue]

That future roundabout between Highbury Avenue and Highway 3 in the ROW of the Parclo interchange at the current east end of the expressway will feel like a sore thumb. (What if Aylmer actually grows too?)

[Djeffery]

Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

That future roundabout between Highbury Avenue and Highway 3 in the ROW of the Parclo interchange at the current east end of the expressway will feel like a sore thumb. (What if Aylmer actually grows too?)

The city of St Thomas owns that land as part of this larger industrial land strategy that they assembled as part of the VW enticement. I don't know why people keep this idea in their head that there is going to be some new 4 lane divided highway running east of Centennial. If anything, it will be a main road for an industrial park that might possibly go as far east as Yarmouth Centre Rd. The main line of highway 3 is right there waiting to be twinned if needed, there isn't ever going to be a parallel highway going east of St Thomas.

[Dengler Avenue]

Originally Posted by Djeffery

The city of St Thomas owns that land as part of this larger industrial land strategy that they assembled as part of the VW enticement. I don't know why people keep this idea in their head that there is going to be some new 4 lane divided highway running east of Centennial. If anything, it will be a main road for an industrial park that might possibly go as far east as Yarmouth Centre Rd. The main line of highway 3 is right there waiting to be twinned if needed, there isn't ever going to be a parallel highway going east of St Thomas.

The corridor was designated until a year ago when MTO removed the freeway designation…
That said, an MTO engineer did say that the current alignment of Highway 3 would have space for expansion (probably undivided 5 lanes?). The jog around St Thomas would just feel weird.