O-Train Line 2/4 [Stage 2 | Greenboro to Limebank/Airport] | In Service

[lrt's friend]

Originally Posted by Multi-modal

But the northbound track is between the bus platform and the train platform. NO cross-platform transfers to/from the southbound bus platform are possible, even if they "opened up" between the bus and train areas.

Why not? You could have a platform on both sides of the tracks, and the trains could open doors on both sides. The biggest problem is the confusion that two platforms with different destinations would create. Mind you, this could be solved by signage 'To Bayview/Downtown' on one side, To buses/shopping centre' on the other side. It is just weird how the bus platform is adjacent to the tracks but you can only get to the train by going down stairs and then back up again.

[roger1818]

Originally Posted by lrt's friend

Why not? You could have a platform on both sides of the tracks, and the trains could open doors on both sides. The biggest problem is the confusion that two platforms with different destinations would create. Mind you, this could be solved by signage 'To Bayview/Downtown' on one side, To buses/shopping centre' on the other side. It is just weird how the bus platform is adjacent to the tracks but you can only get to the train by going down stairs and then back up again.

For shopping and northbound busses you would still need to go down (and up back up for the buses). It would only be useful when transferring between northbound trains and southbound buses. Building a whole other platform just to serve a small minority of transfers seems a bit over the top.

[Multi-modal]

Originally Posted by lrt's friend

Why not? You could have a platform on both sides of the tracks, and the trains could open doors on both sides. The biggest problem is the confusion that two platforms with different destinations would create. Mind you, this could be solved by signage 'To Bayview/Downtown' on one side, To buses/shopping centre' on the other side. It is just weird how the bus platform is adjacent to the tracks but you can only get to the train by going down stairs and then back up again.

Ahh, I understand now. Thanks for the explanation.

[Harley613]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

Why do the entrances to underground stations have to be fully enclosed while the above ground are nearly fully open? Is there some sort of a law?

Not complaining. Just curious.

Though I feel like we missed an opportunity here for skylights (station box was designed for it) and more impressive stations entrances.

Also, why do Algonquin College/Centrepointe get a proper sized station while Carleton University gets a line of bus shelters and the new Mega Hospital/Thousands of new living units at Dow's Lake get a couple of bus shelters in a narrow trench.

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by Harley613

Also, why do Algonquin College/Centrepointe get a proper sized station while Carleton University gets a line of bus shelters and the new Mega Hospital/Thousands of new living units at Dow's Lake get a couple of bus shelters in a narrow trench.

For sure. I have no issue with Algonquin getting a big underground station. Terminus, major educational institution, City services, but Dow's and Carleton should have received major upgrades. We should have doubled tracked to double the frequency instead of buying longer trains. That would have saved money by allowing us to build smaller new station (like massive Limebank). We could have saved money by eliminating Bowesville and reinvesting in Dow's and Carleton.

[Dengler Avenue]

I’ve always felt that Line 2 with the single track is but a money burner…

[roger1818]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

For sure. I have no issue with Algonquin getting a big underground station. Terminus, major educational institution, City services, but Dow's and Carleton should have received major upgrades. We should have doubled tracked to double the frequency instead of buying longer trains. That would have saved money by allowing us to build smaller new station (like massive Limebank). We could have saved money by eliminating Bowesville and reinvesting in Dow's and Carleton.

While I agree that double tracking would have been the better option, it would have been more expensive than building the larger stations.

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by roger1818

While I agree that double tracking would have been the better option, it would have been more expensive than building the larger stations.

It would have been marginally more expensive, but cheaper in the long run.

[roger1818]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

It would have been marginally more expensive, but cheaper in the long run.

How would it be cheaper in the long run? I agree it would provide better service, but it costs more to run more shorter trains than fewer longer trains.

Personally, I don't think the original Trillium line will ever be double tracked (at least not in our lifetime), as once they need that capacity, they will need a direct route downtown. Don't forget that the riders bound for downtown can be divided between the Trillium Line and the South-East Transitway.

[lrt's friend]

What we don't consider are the lost opportunities because the fewer trains don't offer reliable bus transfers which will negatively impact ridership for everything connected to Line 2

[lrt's friend]

While many line 1 stations have very expensive overhead walkways, Dow's Lake has only a signalled intersection to cross a wide boulevard

[zzptichka]

Originally Posted by lrt's friend

While many line 1 stations have very expensive overhead walkways, Dow's Lake has only a signalled intersection to cross a wide boulevard

The National Capital Commission gave its blessing to the new Ottawa Hospital Civic Campus site plan Tuesday, but is insisting the hospital include a “seamless, intuitive and weather-protected” link to the nearby Trillium LRT line.
Oct 5, 2021
https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-new...ivic-site-plan-demands-connection-to-lrt

Wonder where it went from there.

[Harley613]

I guess they decided that getting off a train onto a crowded 8 foot wide platform in a trench and walking up snowy stairs in a blizzard then waiting at a crosswalk with gusting cold wind to cross a stroad before cutting through a massive parking garage to get to the hospital was acceptable?

[Kelnoz]

Originally Posted by zzptichka

Wonder where it went from there.

The parking garage has a nice enclosed walkway on top of it with plans to connect onto a pedestrian bridge across Carling, but it seems like the city is putting off actually thinking of solutions for Dow's Lake station.

[Harley613]

Originally Posted by Kelnoz

The parking garage has a nice enclosed walkway on top of it with plans to connect onto a pedestrian bridge across Carling, but it seems like the city is putting off actually thinking of solutions for Dow's Lake station.

Better than what I imagined, but how many flights of stairs will people have to climb to get to that walkway from the trench?

[lrt's friend]

Originally Posted by Harley613

Better than what I imagined, but how many flights of stairs will people have to climb to get to that walkway from the trench?

3 to 4 flights I would guess from the bottom of the trench to the top of an over the street walkway. A more elegant under street walkway will be another significant shutdown of the Trillium line. Why not? It has become a tradition.

[Harley613]

Originally Posted by lrt's friend

3 to 4 flights I would guess from the bottom of the trench to the top of an over the street walkway. A more elegant under street walkway will be another significant shutdown of the Trillium line. Why not? It has become a tradition.

There is nothing I love more than a pre-emergency room workout when it's not bad enough to pay $150 for an ambulance.

[Kelnoz]

Originally Posted by Harley613

Better than what I imagined, but how many flights of stairs will people have to climb to get to that walkway from the trench?

The best case scenario would be to have a tower over the station à la Queensview with elevators going all the way to the top.

Of course that would be expensive... ugh

[lrt's friend]

Originally Posted by Kelnoz

The best case scenario would be to have a tower over the station à la Queensview with elevators going all the way to the top.

Of course that would be expensive... ugh

The current elevator shaft is a distance from Carling

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by roger1818

How would it be cheaper in the long run? I agree it would provide better service, but it costs more to run more shorter trains than fewer longer trains.

Personally, I don't think the original Trillium line will ever be double tracked (at least not in our lifetime), as once they need that capacity, they will need a direct route downtown. Don't forget that the riders bound for downtown can be divided between the Trillium Line and the South-East Transitway.

There's station maintenance for one. Also, as LRT's Friend alluded to, higher frequency would attract more ridership, increasing revenues for OC Transpo.

Originally Posted by Harley613

Better than what I imagined, but how many flights of stairs will people have to climb to get to that walkway from the trench?

That's Blair for someone coming from the Gloucester Centre and areas to the North. Got to go up two flights of stairs (three for anyone transferring from a local bus), walk to the fare gates and go down another two flights of stairs.