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Old Posted Mar 22, 2023, 7:47 AM
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Doesn't look like they are taking it seriously ...https://www.vogue.com/article/what-is-the-right-price-for-fashion
clothing prices are really inflated. My friend worked at a chain store and saw pants that the store got for $3 would retail for $65. This was back in the 90s so prices are different the markup isn't.

There used to be ads in magazines, womens magazines and newspapers about working from home, often these work from home jobs were making or sewing clothing, they would get paid by the piece, not very much so they would crank out as many as they could in a day.

As for the Nordstrom sale, liquidators are brought in and their primary goal is to get as much money out of the stock as possible, in past liquidation sales I have been too, sale priced merchandise the week before was returned to the original retail price and discounted to usually 10% which was higher than the previous sale price. This sale is going to end in June so its going to be a few months of very crappy discounts.

I'm curious to see what is left to sell, like how much of the beauty and fragrance items were removed. I heard someone on the radio complain that she lined up for a long time and found out it was a 5% discount and left immediately, lol. What are people expecting?
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Calgary is getting yet another Costco.. That will be 8 in the Calgary area.
https://dailyhive.com/calgary/costco-alberta-bingham-crossing

Come on Costco.. show GVRD some love!

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One-in-10 storefronts on Vancouver's high streets are vacant


https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/vancouver-storefront-vacancy-businesses-jobs
In the end, the Lower Mainland malls win.

For the "High Streets", anywhere in DTES or close by, or those in the far-flung SFH neighbourhoods suffer greatly. Not at all surprising.

The highest density or affordable neighbourhoods, as well as those with lots of retail synergy, are the clear winners.
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Calgary is getting yet another Costco.. That will be 8 in the Calgary area.
https://dailyhive.com/calgary/costco-alberta-bingham-crossing

Come on Costco.. show GVRD some love!

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Costco to the GVRD: "show me the land!"
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Costco to the GVRD: "show me the land!"
Isn't SE Marine Dr beging for something ... anything
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South Surrey has land for a Costco no?
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Calgary is getting yet another Costco.. That will be 8 in the Calgary area.
https://dailyhive.com/calgary/costco-alberta-bingham-crossing

Come on Costco.. show GVRD some love!

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Ugh, no thanks.
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Daiso Japan to Open Fourth Canada Store in Surrey
Daiso, Japan's favorite retailer, is pleased to announce the grand opening of its fourth Canada store in Surrey. Strawberry Hill Shopping Centre Daiso store will open for business on Saturday, March 25, 2023, at 10:00 a.m. with grand opening promotions for early shoppers throughout the entire weekend. Daiso invites members of the community to celebrate at 12101 72 Ave #132 Surrey, British Columbia, V3W 2M1.
https://www.benzinga.com/pressreleases/2...an-to-open-fourth-canada-store-in-surrey

The new Save-on-Foods seems a bit small, replaces a MarketPlace IGA (bought from HY Louie?):
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Save-On-Foods opens new Garden City store in Richmond, B.C.
Western Canadian grocery retailer Save-On-Foods officially opens the doors to its new 20,500-square-foot store located at 370-9100 Blundell Road, on Thursday, March 23.
https://www.grocerybusiness.ca/news/save-on-foods-opens-new-garden-city-store-in-richmond-b-c

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Calgary is getting yet another Costco.. That will be 8 in the Calgary area.
https://dailyhive.com/calgary/costco-alberta-bingham-crossing

Come on Costco.. show GVRD some love!

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An Expo Boulevard type Costco in Central Surrey would make a lot of sense. Add another in South Surrey and then eventually the one in Newton could be redeveloped with the eventual rapid transit down KGB.
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South side of the Basement level of The Bay is cordoned off for Zellers.
Piucs by me tonight.







The Zellers area wuold seem to be the area in light blue on this concourse level plan from a while back
when they were trying to lease out the lower levels.
This would be about 17,000 sq ft.


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Why does anybody want Zellers back, anyway?

Is it just childhood nostalgia?

From what I've read, and the few times I entered the shops as a tourist kid, it was a bargain basement version of The Bay. Doesn't Winners/Homesense cover that category perfectly now? So what would Zellers do better than them? If you're shopping for the cheapest version of something, do you really care if Zellers or Winners is selling it?

I kind of thing everybody is excited for this entry into the market for the wrong reasons, and in typical Vancouver fashion, it'll get a whole lot of media attention on launch, with news coverage of the lines around the block to say "I was there!"...and two years later they'll close the shops due to lack to sales.
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I have mentioned before on this thread that my money is on Costco opening in South Surrey, it's getting that critical mass of population, business, and industrial land available so makes the most sense.

Another urban location somewhere in Metro Van would be cool.

Brentwood is getting busier for sure. I went to Rec Room last Saturday, after having not been since last April. Not only was it was busier than last year, but the rest of the area including plaza and train station. were much busier. Even though it's still there, it's hard to imagine the area with just a suburban shopping mall surrounded by acres of parking! The mall still stands but is joined to the new development, and the building itself is not visibly from the train or along Lougheed there. It has a very solid presence, the super tall towers but I think moreso the commercial space. I think it's still nowhere it's ultimate foot traffic, but was way busier than 11 months ago, by a huge margin.
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Why does anybody want Zellers back, anyway?

Is it just childhood nostalgia?

From what I've read, and the few times I entered the shops as a tourist kid, it was a bargain basement version of The Bay. Doesn't Winners/Homesense cover that category perfectly now? So what would Zellers do better than them? If you're shopping for the cheapest version of something, do you really care if Zellers or Winners is selling it?
I see it mostly as a tone-deaf attempt. Usually I'm pretty optimistic about things like this but The Bay has absolutely no idea what the hell Zellers was about and it's going to crash and burn so hard.
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Retail has changed a lot since Zellers closed too, more people shop online now. Retailers and brands have really upped their loyalty programs as well and aps for stores make it much easier for shopping. A lot of brands have been pulling their stuff out of stores to open their own flagship stores, Nike recently pulled out of Urban Outfitters, DSW and some others for instance.

Even when we had Zellers they could never beat the pricing at walmart for toiletries and household cleaning goods etc. Homesense and Winners has opened a lot more stores and really seems to be the go to for home decor and household stuff as well as shoes and clothing these days.

I like the anko line and it should do okay, but like most things, Canadians will be disappointed, already people whined that they have food trucks and not in-store restaurants like they used to.

If they do bring back stand alone Zellers locations I wonder how big they would be? like their old size aka Walmart size or would they go smaller like a Winners or Indigo store size? or even a Giant tiger size?

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Daiso has opened a 4th location, its in Surrey at Strawberry Hill, opened March 25th.


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Old Posted Mar 27, 2023, 1:26 AM
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I think the only thing that could prop up the new Zellers is the Anko brand (which is from K-Mart Australia,
and reminiscent of the Target in-house brands in the US).
the familiar Zellers name provides a stepping off point for a new concept without having to develop from scratch.
It all depends on how they develop the new concept.

Here's a story from Retail Insider:

Inside Zellers 2.0 And Its Newly Secured In-House Brand ‘Anko’
https://retail-insider.com/retail-inside...red-in-house-brand-anko-photos-analysis/

I could see stores being the size of Winners/Homesense or Dollarama (i.e. its competition).

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Interesting excerpts regarding retail on Granville:

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Extraordinary delays with reviewing and approving simple applications like business sign permits and the change of use for a space that does not need any physical modifications are a message to businesses that “Vancouver is a tough place to work in.”

He points to the current struggles an unnamed multinational chain is experiencing with opening within the former Steve Nash Fitness World space at The Hudson building at 610 Granville Street, where Fitness World vacated its longtime 40,000 sq ft space in 2022. The new business coming in is concerned they will not be able to receive a permit to install an exterior sign.

On the 500 block of Granville Street, another multinational business — an unnamed stationary retailer — was looking to lease retail space from Bonnis. They applied to the City to divide the space into two, but after a year and a half of permitting delays, the business eventually gave up and decided not to establish a location in downtown Vancouver.
https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/granvill...evitalization-city-of-vancouver-politics
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Yep, the article pretty much nails it: Vancouver's bureaucracy strangles entrepreneurism, so the money goes elsewhere. It's sad to see the potential of this place never achieved because of the obsession with dotting superfluous I's and crossing unnecessary T's.
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I've been saying this for years. This article is only about retail, but it definitely applies to many other sectors. No wonder the City is bankrupt. Lots invested in bureaucracy that ends up driving away private investments. What an irony.

For the Granville strip, constantly turning heritage buildings into slums and encouraging lawlessness will never ever help with this so-called "revitalization" process.

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“You can’t be one of the best cities in the world if policy decisions are in a place that inhibit transformation and evolution — that inhibit an investment in the downtown core, for which Vancouver is noted for globally… We need to think about the right kinds of decisions that will enable development to happen, enable an evolution of the downtown core.”

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I wonder how practical it would be to add new doors along Granville considering you would have the same elevation problem that they have at the West Georgia entrance.

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Interest in the site is strong, but questions swirl about how the store's exit will impact nearby businesses
By Glen Korstrom | April 4, 2023
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Colliers associate vice-president of retail Sherman Scott expects sales at businesses east of Nordstrom, and along Granville Street, to fall when the retailer departs in June | Rob Kruyt
Nordstrom Inc. (NYSE:JWN)’s early March announcement that it will close its 230,000-sq.-ft store at CF Pacific Centre by June prompted business community fears that the city’s downtown core will take an economic hit.

The level of short-term adversity businesses face depends in part on what mall-owner Cadillac Fairview decides to do with its space, and how fast it acts to reopen the building.

Cadillac Fairview’s senior vice-president for Canadian retail, Tom Knoepfel, told BIV that many potential tenants have contacted him.

“We’ve had significant interest from multiple parties considering leasing all of the space, and a portion of the space,” he said.

“We’re confident that we’ll be able to put together a retail offering that the general public will once again be excited about.”

Cadillac Fairview does its leasing internally, without outside brokers, so Knoepfel is aware of all interested parties, he said.

Most parties that have expressed interest are retailers, although “there have been other groups as well.”

Knoepfel anticipates that the site will remain a retail hub. The question is whether one tenant will take the entire space, or whether Cadillac Fairview will redevelop the inside space to accommodate “three to five” retailers that would have flagship stores, he said.

Finding large blocks of retail space downtown has long been a challenge for retailers.

When global fashion giant Uniqlo opened its first B.C. location at Metropolis at Metrotown in October 2017, its CEO, Tadashi Yanai, visited the region and told BIV that he wanted to open the company’s first Canadian store in downtown Vancouver, but Uniqlo operatives could not find appropriate space for the right price.

The result was that he opened the company’s first two Canadian stores in the Greater Toronto Area: A 33,400-square-foot location at CF Toronto Eaton Centre, and a 30,000-square-foot store at Yorkdale Shopping Centre.

Uniqlo has yet to open a store in the City of Vancouver.

Speculation has swirled that Quebec City-based La Maison Simons could fill the Nordstrom site. It operates a 100,000-square-foot store at Park Royal in West Vancouver, and has larger stores in its chain – though none as large as 230,000 square feet. It has multiple locations in several Canadian metropolitan areas, such as Quebec City, Montreal and Edmonton, so a second Simons store in Metro Vancouver would not be an unusual addition.

IKEA’s suburban stores tend to be larger than the Nordstrom site. Its Richmond location, for example, is approximately 334,000 square feet.

The company has started opening smaller urban locations, such as a 66,000-square-foot store in downtown Toronto, so a similarly sized store in downtown Vancouver would continue that retail strategy.

“We’re going to take however long it takes to make the best decision for that space, and for downtown Vancouver,” Knoepfel said.

Reconstructing the mall into several smaller footprints would likely enable Cadillac Fairview to charge more per square foot than if it leased the entire space to one tenant.

Doing the construction work to split up the mall, however, would likely cost tens of millions of dollars, and could take two years or more.

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(Image: Cherry blossoms were budding last week, across the street from Nordstrom | Rob Kruyt)

Hit to street traffic may impact some lease-renewal discussions
Large nearby landowners like the idea of multiple tenants, rather than a single department store, occupying the Nordstrom site.

“The classic department stores, where there was everything for everybody, has sort of died,” Bonnis Properties principal Kerry Bonnis told BIV.

His company, which he runs with brother Dino Bonnis, owns the building across Granville Street from Nordstrom, where there are tenants such as TJX Companies Inc.-owned (NYSE:TJX) Winners, and Best Buy Co. Inc. (NYSE:BBY). The space includes street-front retailers and stretches north to the Vancouver Block Building.

He said he believes that if the site has a single tenant, it would be best for that occupant to include boutique stores, or internal kiosks, run directly by different brands.

The west side of the block of Granville Street between West Georgia and Robson streets has entrances to Nordstrom at each end, but is otherwise a monolithic wall with some windows, closed service doors and cladding.

Bonnis said punching multiple new entrances into that long stretch of wall, to enable multiple storefronts, should not be difficult.

“Cadillac Fairview did significant seismic upgrading work when Nordstrom first went in, so I think most of this work wouldn’t take much demolition because it’s all an open plan,” he said.

“Throwing up storefronts is actually something that can be done in a matter of weeks.”

Getting city permits to do that work, however, could take much longer, he added.

Bonnis has been in discussions with the City of Vancouver to allow him to redevelop the eastern side of the 800-block of Granville Street, one block south of Nordstrom, which his company also owns.

Bonnis wants to build an office tower above much of that block, while simultaneously keeping the facade of the Commodore Ballroom, upgrading the Granville Street entrance to the Orpheum and adding back-of-house infrastructure improvements to enable a faster turnaround for performers.

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(Image: Cadillac Fairview's reconstruction of the former Four Seasons Hotel building is continuing with no set time for completion | Rob Kruyt)

One project that could help provide more street traffic downtown is Cadillac Fairview’s redevelopment of the site on Howe Street north of West Georgia Street that formerly housed the Four Seasons Hotel.

“I can’t comment on timing, but we’re continuing to pursue plans for a luxury hotel for that building,” Knoepfel said.

“We’ll partner with one of the major [hotel] banners. We won’t run it ourselves.”

Vacant Nordstrom space could hurt nearby businesses
Nordstrom hired about 1,000 employees, including 44 managers, for its Vancouver store when it opened in 2015.

Those people spent money at nearby restaurants, and at retailers before and after their shifts.

Countless others, who made Nordstrom a shopping destination, also patronized area businesses, and may no longer come downtown.

Having an empty shell of a building is likely to reduce sales for businesses on neighbouring streets, said Colliers International associate vice-president Sherman Scott.

“A lot of nearby businesses located there for a reason,” he said.

“Until that [former Nordstrom space] is regenerated and operating, I think you’ll see a decline in sales for nearby businesses. It remains to be seen if they can weather any potential storm until the new [Nordstrom site] tenants are operating.”

He expects tenants on Granville Street to be particularly hurt.

Bonnis, however, said that he has started lease-renewal negotiations with multiple tenants, and some of those talks started after Nordstrom’s announcement that it would leave Vancouver.

Scott said he believes any drop in street traffic – due to Nordstrom’s exit – could push down lease-renewal rates for Granville Street businesses.

Bonnis would not say whether he would be willing to reduce his lease-rate expectations for Granville Street tenants from what they were before Nordstrom announced its exit.

“The lease rates are not based on Nordstrom,” he said. “They’re based on how busy Granville Street is, and the corner of Granville and Robson streets still remains one of the busiest intersections in the city.”

Some tenants, he said, have 10-year leases coming up for renewal so those business owners should expect rate increases because it has been so long since they last had one.

Businesses west of Nordstrom should be able to fare better than those to the east, Scott said. He pointed to low vacancy on Alberni Street, and high demand for the scarce luxury retail space it offers.

“On Robson Street, really it is the 900- and 1,000-blocks that are super strong from a retailing perspective, and there’s not a lot of vacancy, so I don’t really see a major disruption there either.”

The Downtown Vancouver Business Improvement Association (Downtown Van) advocates for businesses east of the Nordstrom site, but its acting CEO, Jane Talbot, was not available to discuss how those businesses could be impacted by the retailer’s exit, or her organization’s annual state of the downtown report, set to be released tomorrow (April 5).

Last year’s Downtown Van state of the downtown report found that downtown Vancouver had 1,015 street-level commercial spaces, 85 per cent of which were open for business, while 2.2 per cent were leased, with businesses opening soon.

The four main retail corridors in Downtown Van’s area – Granville, Alberni, Robson and West Hastings – performed worse than downtown as a whole, according to the organization’s 2022 report, with 365 street-level units, 81 per cent of which were open.

Scott said downtown retail vacancies have been on the rise.

Colliers’ data from the end of 2022 showed downtown Vancouver’s retail vacancy rate at four per cent, up from 2.6 per cent six months earlier.

He said his observations are that there has been a slight reduction in property crime and broken windows, although there remain many cases where vandals smash glass at businesses, or at bus stops, seemingly for no reason.

There was also a stabbing death on March 26 at the Starbucks at the corner of Granville and West Pender streets.

“It is still far from ideal, as there are major issues and challenges that the city and police need to look at,” he said.

“Gastown, pre-COVID, was a very popular place to be, with edgy-type retailers, and restaurants. It has taken a real hit. It has improved slightly from during COVID, but it’s still not what it was.”
https://biv.com/article/2023/04/businesses-bracing-impact-nordstroms-vancouver-exit
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There is a bank of emergency stairs that exit to Granville on the Nordstrom facade - so that would impact the ability to reconfigure the space.
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