Salt Lake City: Official Development News Thread - Part 5

[Atlas]

Scott Taylor provides: (February 24th)



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[billbillbillbill]

Originally Posted by delts145

Does anyone know the name of this one?

Unknown (875 W. North Temple)

It's from 2021 but Building Salt Lake has this as going in there:
https://buildingsaltlake.com/apartment-b...mple-transit-corridor-continues-to-roll/

[delts145]

Thank you, Bill!

[wrendog]

Man, astra is going to make such a nice impact on the skyline when complete

[Comrade]

So, FOX 13 did a story on the ballpark and it was really poorly done. There was no real explanation as to what the expectation is for the area and the proposal they showed, called The Swarm (from what I can tell, developed by a legit architectural firm), isn't even the actual ballpark - rather the parking lot north of it.

I like it but part of the rendering shows this:



Which is clearly some modern arena/stadium where Smith's Ballpark is currently.

But there is nothing in the actual proposal (you can view it here) that tells you what the fuck that is. Is it a placeholder for a generic proposal? Is it part of Dot Architecture's proposal (it has the same name) that they haven't unveiled yet? Is it an already established new stadium proposal?

None of that has been answered and it kind of annoyed me.

Maybe I'm missing something here?

[Paniolo Man]

Originally Posted by Comrade

So, FOX 13 did a story on the ballpark and it was really poorly done. There was no real explanation as to what the expectation is for the area and the proposal they showed, called The Swarm (from what I can tell, developed by a legit architectural firm), isn't even the actual ballpark - rather the parking lot north of it.

I like it but part of the rendering shows this:

Which is clearly some modern arena/stadium where Smith's Ballpark is currently.

But there is nothing in the actual proposal (you can view it here) that tells you what the fuck that is. Is it a placeholder for a generic proposal? Is it part of Dot Architecture's proposal (it has the same name) that they haven't unveiled yet? Is it an already established new stadium proposal?

None of that has been answered and it kind of annoyed me.

Maybe I'm missing something here?

It's hideous

[Blah_Amazing]

Originally Posted by Comrade

So, FOX 13 did a story on the ballpark and it was really poorly done. There was no real explanation as to what the expectation is for the area and the proposal they showed, called The Swarm (from what I can tell, developed by a legit architectural firm), isn't even the actual ballpark - rather the parking lot north of it.

I like it but part of the rendering shows this:



Which is clearly some modern arena/stadium where Smith's Ballpark is currently.

But there is nothing in the actual proposal (you can view it here) that tells you what the fuck that is. Is it a placeholder for a generic proposal? Is it part of Dot Architecture's proposal (it has the same name) that they haven't unveiled yet? Is it an already established new stadium proposal?

None of that has been answered and it kind of annoyed me.

Maybe I'm missing something here?

For 'The Swarm, the YouTube video of the Fox13 news coverage did mention a little bit more, but doesn't tell us what the stadium thing is.

The project across the street in the parking lot would have:
-nearly 600 units
- 60,000 square feet of commercial space

Don't know if this is just a concept or an actual proposal.

Unfortunately the video won't let you play it here, you'll have to click 'watch on YouTube'
• Video Link

Here is KSL's video on the same meeting.
• Video Link

[wrendog]

Lol. There were a lot of words in those two videos. And absolutely nothing was said.

[Blah_Amazing]

Originally Posted by wrendog

Lol. There were a lot of words in those two videos. And absolutely nothing was said.

Yeah. My worry is this will wind up just like the Fleet Block. Where there is tons of 'plans,' meetings, and lots of talk, but never any action.

I think Salt Lake City needs to hire a team of people whose sole job is to work on the development of Fleet Block in the Granary and the Ballpark. They need to be in direct coordination with the RDA and need to set a concrete timeline - say 1 year to plan, 6 months to get plan through needed approvals, and 3 years construction - and stick with the timeline. If they fail to meet the deadlines, they should just sell off the land with heavy strings attached.

I also think, looking back on many projects that have been proposed and approved lately the City needs to fully revise the code and mandate a certain percent of square footage be used for retail or office space in any development over a certain size or number of units citywide. No more of allowing the developers to put an exercise room on the main level and call that 'activation.' It's not.

I'd also like Salt Lake City to follow other major and growing cities like Philadelphia and mandate things like investments in public art, public spaces, and greater emphasis on landscaping for development projects. This needs to be more than a few shrubs for landscaping and a mural on the wall. Salt Lake needs more plazas and statues in my opinion. I'd be fine with the developer simply paying Salt Lake a percentage of their total construction cost to go towards the city building pocket parks and plazas even, rather than have every development project slap a mural on their parking garage and call it a day. I mean, that's good in addition, but it shouldn't be all they do.

The age where the city was desperately begging for development is over, even in the current interest environment. What we need now in places like Granary, Ballpark, and Fairpark is quality development with really good street activation, not just blank and bland apartment blocks.

[mattreedah]

I 100% agree with your sentiment on plans with no action but not the solution. They should properly zone and then sell the land with NO strings attached and let proper firms actually create developments. Look at Post and Industry as an example. They are lapping the RDA developments time-wise. Strings attached are what has gotten us nothing in Station Center and the Fleet Block. The mayor and the city council have turned into word salad regurgitators parroting buzzwords like affordable, diverse, equity. They are afraid of ANY development in Fleet as left-wing activists would protest the removal of those murals and that’s a large part of their constituency. They (as the planning commission) regularly impugn the design work and motives of developers actually working to fix the housing crisis while as allowing truly historical buildings (such as the theatre) to be razed. How they were caught flat-footed with the bees situation is beyond me when people were leaking that move since LHM bought the development. Don’t get me wrong, Erin is better than the previous gal but this is all truly disappointing because I love the city.

[Jbash]

This is kind of a random question, but I know there was speculation that the most recent 370 S West Temple proposal had also died, but weren't they doing core drilling and groundwork there just a few weeks ago? I know some projects, like Main Street, aren't looking too great but as far as I know 370 is good to go isn't it?

[taboubak]

Originally Posted by Jbash

This is kind of a random question, but I know there was speculation that the most recent 370 S West Temple proposal had also died, but weren't they doing core drilling and groundwork there just a few weeks ago? I know some projects, like Main Street, aren't looking too great but as far as I know 370 is good to go isn't it?

Aside from simply being delayed I would not at all say 370 west temple has died. In fact there was talk on here earlier that they should still make it through. They spent a considerable amount on planning and permitting already and have already gotten the hotel portion through design review. Alot of the major steps have been taken here so I would be pretty surprised if it didn't end up happening at some point.

[SaltCityScrapers]

Originally Posted by taboubak

Aside from simply being delayed I would not at all say 370 west temple has died. In fact there was talk on here earlier that they should still make it through. They spent a considerable amount on planning and permitting already and have already gotten the hotel portion through design review. Alot of the major steps have been taken here so I would be pretty surprised if it didn't end up happening at some point.

370 West Temple is still quite alive and in the planning and review process with the City Planning Commission.

There is a document in review status for the "Encroachment Review Process" with the Planning Commission dated February 9, 2023 dealing with the canopy over the sidewalk from the planned building.

You can search https://citizenportal.slcgov.com/ (the Salt Lake City Citizen Access Portal) to see the progress on all these projects.

[Deek1978]

I thought this was pretty cool, don't know if it belongs here or not.

https://www.ksl.com/article/50600764/chu...-57k-water-shares-to-the-great-salt-lake

[Old&New]

Originally Posted by bob rulz

I don't think there's any reason to panic yet for the Main Street skyscraper. Things take time and costs are very high right now. Marv knows a lot more about it than I do, but I would be shocked if Hines didn't eventually follow through. I think worst case scenario they sell the land to another developer who will propose a different skyscraper.

In the event the tower falls through the property would transfer back to the city.

[Orlando]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zzbv3t-C_Q\

Not really SLC development, but probably the best thread to post this info in.
Check it out!

[Paniolo Man]

Originally Posted by Orlando

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zzbv3t-C_Q\

Not really SLC development, but probably the best thread to post this info in.
Check it out!

"There is no shortage of water in the desert but exactly the right amount, a perfect ratio of water to rock, water to sand, insuring that wide free open, generous spacing among plants and animals, homes and towns and cities, which makes the arid West so different from any other part of the nation. There is no lack of water here unless you try to establish a city where no city should be.”

–Edward Abbey

[taboubak]

Originally Posted by Paniolo Man

"There is no shortage of water in the desert but exactly the right amount, a perfect ratio of water to rock, water to sand, insuring that wide free open, generous spacing among plants and animals, homes and towns and cities, which makes the arid West so different from any other part of the nation. There is no lack of water here unless you try to establish a city where no city should be.”

–Edward Abbey

Great Quote. What is even crazier is the city isn't even whats using all the water. It's establishing farms where no farm should be.

[Jbash]

Yeah the whole Telosa thing irks me. On paper, it's a great idea but in practice it just feels like a billionaires megalomanic pet project that is bound to have loads of unforeseen or even foreseen but ignored issues. The idea of equitism is unique, but it feels kind of company-town-like, and company towns have never been the best for their citizens. I have nothing against the 15 minute city concept or the idea of sustainable development. That's all good...in the right location. While I love seeing Utah grow, I don't think we're the best place for a project like this. Let's worry about the issues we have with our current cities before trying to add 5 million more people to an already strained ecosystem. Rant over

[ucsbgaucho]

Originally Posted by Jbash

Yeah the whole Telosa thing irks me. On paper, it's a great idea but in practice it just feels like a billionaires megalomanic pet project that is bound to have loads of unforeseen or even foreseen but ignored issues. The idea of equitism is unique, but it feels kind of company-town-like, and company towns have never been the best for their citizens. I have nothing against the 15 minute city concept or the idea of sustainable development. That's all good...in the right location. While I love seeing Utah grow, I don't think we're the best place for a project like this. Let's worry about the issues we have with our current cities before trying to add 5 million more people to an already strained ecosystem. Rant over

Maybe they'll move the Bees to Telosa, or that's where we'll get an NFL team once the "city" reaches like 3 million.